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Re: [Suggestion] Allowing raw anime to be uploaded
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2015, 12:18:13 pm »
About 70% of such titles has only one decent raw available. Besides, I doubt BakaBT will be flooded with raw offers.
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Re: [Suggestion] Allowing raw anime to be uploaded
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2015, 01:19:33 pm »
About 70% of such title has only one decent raw available. Besides, I doubt BakaBT will be flooded with raw offers.

Merely being pragmatic. It'll bring more work and afaik BBT is still chronically understaffed and overworked, right ?

So, unless more workforce is brought in it's a laudable but terrible idea.
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Re: [Suggestion] Allowing raw anime to be uploaded
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2015, 01:44:46 pm »
Terrible in what respect? 5 additional offers per week will not change staff workload considerably.

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Re: [Suggestion] Allowing raw anime to be uploaded
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2015, 06:03:47 pm »
Plus it's not like the raw offers will need comparing to anything in 99% of the cases, seeing as most raw releases don't have a competitor.

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Re: [Suggestion] Allowing raw anime to be uploaded
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2015, 07:17:07 pm »
It's not true. AniDB info on available raws is often incomplete. For example, there are many raws on rutracker and pornolab, which are not registered in AniDB.

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Re: [Suggestion] Allowing raw anime to be uploaded
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2015, 08:05:20 pm »
Well BBT is to preserve the Anime that otherwise just vanish into nothingness. And "Still avaible" can jump pretty fast to "nowhere to be found".

But when adding Raw Anime - Raw Manga should given the same threatment. I mean, seriously, i have some Issues of Birdy the Mighty and its Sequel that have never been translated - nor have there been any attemt to preserve the existing chapters and sadly enough they somehow get all Watermarked by some big hosting sites out there, thats not what scanslation is all about.

sorry for the rant, it's somewhat offtopic. But to get back at the topic at hand, Raw material would get some leechs i guess, as there are people out there that like to watch thier animu without those letters in the lower screen region.
 

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Re: [Suggestion] Allowing raw anime to be uploaded
« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2016, 06:18:54 am »
Personally I like the idea. It's true that there are plenty of sites that focus more on raws, but it's definitely also true that BakaBT is a place where torrents never die.

The main problem is that most newer raws used by any fansub group with a decent encoder will be using BDMVs, which number in the hundreds of GBs. This issue may be addressed by the deletion of raws upon release of translated versions, but all fansubs are not equal, so there's the question of whether some random anon's release is worth nuking a valuable source for encoding

I could see a sister site being a valid solution, in the vein of nyaa's sukebei, if only there were people to run it. A semi-independent group operating under its own standards, judging whether x-fansub's release is good enough to kill a non-mkv/mp4 raw torrent

Obviously, another solution is to just not allow raws with non-video files..

If nothing else, BBT could adopt a "we'll get to it when we get to it" policy toward raw offers. Make it a separate list with a separate number of UL slots so as to not deter people from uploading them, and reducing clutter in the current Offers page. Since the uploaders will keep the files on hand, there shouldn't be too much to worry about. Unless users with older offers start disappearing left and right, that it

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Re: [Suggestion] Allowing raw anime to be uploaded
« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2016, 07:36:14 am »
I like the idea. And am in for it. Both H and non-H stuff. There are many guys around here who are in subs group and have some/enough decent experience and new projects could be picked up more easily.

And for confusion, we just one more Icon in case Raw format was acceptable (there is that Icon competition going on as well, just add this and see what we get....) and a bit of addition in FAQ.

Of course, we can have a category like Hentai, yes, it would mean more work for our developers, but I think it is a pretty good option.

This whole thing can be done slowly, no need to open the flood gates all at once, a bit by bit, offers first, separate category's later.

But when adding Raw Anime - Raw Manga should given the same threatment.

I guess this is where we would have difficulty. The amount of Manga that goes untranslated in wayyy tooo huge. We will need some new staffers to get this part to work.
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Re: [Suggestion] Allowing raw anime to be uploaded
« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2016, 08:43:27 am »
But when adding Raw Anime - Raw Manga should given the same treatment.
I guess this is where we would have difficulty. The amount of Manga that goes untranslated in wayyy tooo huge. We will need some new staffers to get this part to work.

Following that Logic then we should start allowing doujins/parody Manga and Raw LNs.
The amount of raw lns that go untranslated is crazy. I could easily say only 1-2% of all LNs scanned never become translated, and dont get me started on raw VNs.




Allowing raw content opens a very deep rabbit hole full of content and problems. It would be more overhead to maintain, more offers to moderate, but more importantly it would be more people to moderate. Has anyone else noticed how this sit has sloowed down in terms of traffic and users on the boards. its like the same 40+ people every day posting and commenting. Eventually everyone will loose interest/die/get busy with life/ect. What would happen to the site is it becomes completely empty? When I first joined there where always at least 80+ people on the boards when ever I went on. as I write this comment there are 19 users on. it seems to me that BBTs member base at least on the forums has been slowly decreasing.

Maybe allowing raw content might breath new life into the site, and possibly might help us get the staff we desperately need.





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Re: [Suggestion] Allowing raw anime to be uploaded
« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2016, 09:41:20 am »
^ Doujins are not allowed in the first place, so... nor is VN (even though we really need that....)

Just my opinion --> As for LNs, even though only 1-2% are translated, it is very, very easy to archive and moderate those cause,

1) It is mostly text, and things like quality of scans, res, formats, fonts and even illustrations to a point are secondary, thus 'quality check' requirement is very low and can be NIL in most cases. As long it is complete, which majority of raw LNs are, it can be accepted without much thought.
2) Requires very little space (Each scan be around 10 to 100 MB max. You could have around 1000 raw LNs for the size of one 1080p torrent. Not many would mind archiving those)
3) A hell lot more easier to pick up a LN project to translate (for those who know Japanese)
4) And a lot more easier to get it translated with something like google translate (yes, you will have to type it out in kanji/katakana or whatever, but it's still better than nothing).

So yeah, the only trouble we might have would be manga. LNs and anime RAWs are managable.

On another note, making RAW Anime torrents Freeleech and/or with Bonus Points would make it a more viable solution as it would interest more people

As for declining user base, I have to agree, more and more people are getting busy with their lives and there are less people on here everyday. Most of our staff are already busy with RL and so are the more active users.

I guess the site has become too mature for young kids :| or to attract new young members.
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Re: [Suggestion] Allowing raw anime to be uploaded
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2016, 09:48:14 am »
^ Doujins are not allowed in the first place, so...

They are allowed but it is horribly limited. It requires a mod approval. I believe Seventy is the only one who has ever upload doujins here

 

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Re: [Suggestion] Allowing raw anime to be uploaded
« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2016, 09:50:25 am »
^ Doujins are not allowed in the first place, so...

They are allowed but it is horribly limited. It requires a mod approval. I believe Seventy is the only one who has ever upload doujins here

Exceptional cases are exceptional ~desu. And that was because the author was a real manga author who also wrote a doujin, I think. It was similar to something like that.



Or maybe we are gonna need a different site altogether dedicated solely for RAWs, like RawBT?

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Re: [Suggestion] Allowing raw anime to be uploaded
« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2016, 09:51:45 am »
^ Doujins are not allowed in the first place, so...

They are allowed but it is horribly limited. It requires a mod approval. I believe Seventy is the only one who has ever upload doujins here

Exceptional cases are different, ~desu.

Or maybe we are gonna need a different site altogether dedicated solely for RAWs, like RawBT?

that almost sounds like an H site lol

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Re: [Suggestion] Allowing raw anime to be uploaded
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2016, 09:52:28 am »
Now why would you think that. :D

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Re: [Suggestion] Allowing raw anime to be uploaded
« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2016, 08:15:36 am »
I like the idea.
But there should be conditions/rules like this.

1. It must be at least 5 years old anime.
2. Never subbed before (with exceptions of #3 and #4)
3. Subtitles or subbed releases can't be found anywhere even though it's subbed before. (with exception of #4)
4. Some titles are found only with hardsub. This case offered raw must be have noticeably better video.

For mangas, I think raws shouldn't be accepted
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Re: [Suggestion] Allowing raw anime to be uploaded
« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2016, 09:58:36 am »
IMHO, 5 years is an overkill. 3 years should be enough.

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Re: [Suggestion] Allowing raw anime to be uploaded
« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2016, 12:59:12 pm »
Generally speaking, BBT does allow RAWS in extreme cases, but mostly I only ever see Music Videos allowed as RAW.

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Re: [Suggestion] Allowing raw anime to be uploaded
« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2016, 09:33:51 am »
I  am in the supporting party of RAW anime, hentai and manga. But, but,BUT... these shall be rules from point of my evil intention;

- not main stream,
- not popular,
- rare,
- obscure,
- not a big company's work, but a small company's,
- released 5 or 7 or 9 years ago and no subtitled fan releases,
- old work with no new release, including dvd and remastered blu-ray.

in other words, any h-a-m work that was made in recent years and has already floating aoi ray or dv disks around, even still raw, shall not be classified as RAW, because there is still a chance. Beside, if the work has been non-English language fan-sub released, again not counted as RAW, because there is still option.

In this case, Highschool Aura buster should be allowed, Cat's Eye with newly remastered bd versions should not be allowed. But there is another thing; monochrome era anime-hentai-manga works, especially ARR releases many old raw anime and how many people are interested monochrome anime, like Astro Boy?

This is going to be a tall order, so here my final suggestions;

- the anime is released X years ago and has no any subtitled -disc/online stream- version, yes, including Japanese subtitles, because there are many anime releases without Japanese subtitle, but only Japanese language in Japan. Sad, but true.
- no any ongoing episodic translation, (Yawara! BD translation...)
- Monochrome section for very old raw anime, including remastered versions, the question; what happens the anime has already subbed version on BakaBt?

Another two keys are; if this is going to happen, should not cause extra work for moderators and should not turn BakaBt into HongFire or Anime-Sharing (hentai-wise). Because the server bill is not funny after over-sprouting  :P

So, let's make a thread for RAW suggestions, inspect them to see if they are worthy to BakaBt and release the confirmed ones to see member reaction (downloading-seeding...) and if it successes on stability for raw anime hentai manga preservation, then we shall go with finalizing yes. Don't forget that, this is beta project. If not many members are interested in and the raw section is causing/wasting too much server coverage, no point to move on.

Another suggestion for the RAW, we may make an offer-request thread section on the forums. If any member wants raw work, request/post it here, by chance, another member has the work (anime,hentai.manga...), can upload onto public trackers or file sharing sites.

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Re: [Suggestion] Allowing raw anime to be uploaded
« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2016, 10:15:07 am »
Another suggestion for the RAW, we may make an offer-request thread section on the forums. If any member wants raw work, request/post it here, by chance, another member has the work (anime,hentai.manga...), can upload onto public trackers or file sharing sites.
In fact, this practice is already in place, just not as a single thread. From time to time fansubbers request new/better raws here: https://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?board=4.0

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Re: [Suggestion] Allowing raw anime to be uploaded
« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2016, 11:55:43 am »
If raws are allowed, it could also be useful from a re-releaser's perspective to have reliably-seeded, better-quality raw versions of content that's only available on BBT via lesser-quality TV-rips. I'm looking in your direction, Code-E and Mission-E...


Got any old fansubs on HDD/DVD/CD? Please take a look at this thread.