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http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/313108-declassified-report-putin-ordered-election-interference-to-help

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Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered a widespread influence campaign intended to help elect Donald Trump, the intelligence community said in a declassified report released Friday afternoon.

“Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate Secretary [Hillary] Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump,” the report reads.

“We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him.”

The bombshell document details the intelligence community's findings but provides little in the way of forensic evidence backing up its assessment, citing the need to protect sources and methods.

“While the conclusions in the report are all reflected in the classified assessment, the declassified report does not and cannot include the full supporting information, including specific intelligence and sources and methods,” the report reads.

The document is made up of publicly available information, painting a portrait of Moscow as making a shrewd decision to back a candidate it saw as friendlier to its interests.

According to the document, Putin “most likely” wanted to discredit Clinton, the Democratic presidential nominee, because “he has publicly blamed her since 2011 for inciting mass protests against his regime in late 2011 and early 2012, and because he holds a grudge for comments he almost certainly saw as disparaging him.”

But the former KGB agent saw Trump as having “Russia-friendly positions on Syria and Ukraine” and approved of his stated policy to work with Russia.

Moscow also reportedly saw the election of Trump as “a way to achieve an international counterterrorism coalition” against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

Officials note that Putin publicly contrasted the president-elect’s approach to Russia with Clinton’s “aggressive rhetoric” — but the report offers no previously unknown information.

There is some level of minor disagreement among intelligence agencies as to the strength of its judgment that Russia intended to help Trump.

The CIA and FBI have high confidence in the judgment, while the National Security Agency has moderate confidence, the report acknowledges.

The report — devoid of a “smoking gun” — is unlikely to silence skeptics who are unconvinced that the intelligence community can prove Russia’s motivations.

Trump has repeatedly refused to accept the community's conclusions and has treated its assessment as an attack on the legitimacy of his presidency.

The president-elect has instead focused on the intelligence community's long-public assessment that no physical voting machines were impacted by the Russian campaign.

After receiving a briefing from senior intelligence officials earlier on Friday, Trump issued a statement claiming that the hacks had “absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election.”

Prominent Republicans echoed the approach following the release of the report.

“We must also be clear that there is no evidence that there was any interference in the voting or balloting process,” House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said in a statement.

“We cannot allow partisans to exploit this report in an attempt to delegitimize the president-elect’s victory. Donald Trump won this election fair and square because he heard the voices of Americans who felt forgotten.”

Russian intelligence did obtain access to multiple state and local electoral boards, according to the report, but the Department of Homeland Security assessed that none of the systems the hackers targeted or compromised were involved in vote tallying.

Democrats immediately pushed back on the assertion that the campaign had no impact on the election.

“It is one thing to say that there was no tampering with vote tallying — which is true — it is another thing to say that the daily dumping of documents disparaging to Secretary Clinton that was made possible by Russian cyber operations had no effect on the campaigns,” said Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.

“Whether [Russia] had a decisive impact on the outcome will never be known and was certainly not the subject of the intelligence community's analysis, but that they were of great consequence is undeniable."
The Russian campaign involved more than just hacking. According to the report, it also included propaganda campaigns in the media and a “troll campaign” on social media.
 
Russian state-run outlets Sputnik and RT both amped up campaigns to delegitimize the Clinton campaign, including English-language videos like one headlined “Clinton and ISIS Funded with the Same Money,” and promoted the idea that WikiLeaks had an email that would “put Clinton in Prison.”
 
“In August, Kremlin-linked political analysts suggested avenging negative Western reports on Putin by airing segments devoted to Secretary Clinton’s alleged health problems,” said the report, which describes Clinton’s health as a focal point of the campaign.
 
Russia’s “Internet Research Agency,” a paid army of social media “trolls,” also got in on the act. Accounts once devoted to supporting Russian annexation of the Ukraine flipped to support Trump.

According to officials and lawmakers who have seen both, the report is identical to the classified version of the document prepared for President Obama.

The so-called Gang of Eight — House and Senate leaders and the heads of the two Intelligence committees — reviewed the complete document earlier on Friday.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Friday morning lamented that more of the document would not be made public, perhaps hinting at frustration that the Obama administration hasn’t done more to silence doubters.

“I would hope that we could get more," she said Friday morning. "I know we have to respect sources and methods. But I think that even Congress has the right to know more than they want to disclose to Congress, beyond the Gang of Eight."

"So this will be interesting in terms of what the disclosure is, of this report," she added. "But suffice to say, it's stunning in its conclusions, and you'll see some of it."

— Joe Uchill contributed. Updated at 4:48 p.m.

I just hope we don't go to war with Russia to be honest. That's all we fucking need... and it seems like everyone has a raging hard-on in that direction.

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KEY FINDINGS
• Vladimir Putin ordered an campaign aimed at influencing the outcome of the 2016 election, with a preference for Donald Trump. Their main goals were to reduce faith in American democracy and harm the electability/potential presidency of Hillary Clinton. CIA, FBI, NSA express "high degree of confidence" in this fact.
• Putin and the Russian govt. aspired to help Trump when possible by discrediting Clinton and comparing her to him unfavorably. CIA and FBI have 'high' degree of confidence, NSA is moderately confident.
• The influence campaign evolved its tactics over time, such as changing the focus to undermining Hillary's future presidency when it was presumed she would win.
• Report is based off of information gathered both before and after November 8th.
• The influence campaign followed a strategy that blended covert activities - such as cyber attacks - with more overt efforts by the Russian govt., state-run media, third parties, and paid trolls on social media.
• The influence campaign used cyber attacks against entities and individual members of BOTH political parties.
• CIA, FBI, NSA have high degree of confidence that Russian military intelligence used the 'Guccifer 2.0' persona and DCLeaks website to release information illegally gained via these cyber attacks.
• Russian intelligence obtained and access to elements of multiple local and state electoral boards. DHS has confirmed that the systems compromised by the Russians WERE NOT involved in vote tallying.
• Russian state-run media contributed to the influence campaign by serving as their mouthpiece and disseminating propaganda from the Kremlin.

The report goes on to detail Russia's motivations for the attacks: to undermine US democracy, to "advance its long-standing agenda against the US-led liberal democratic order" that they believe is a threat to the Russian regime, they believe Trump would be favorable to an international counterterrorism coalition against ISIS, and Putin wanted payback against Clinton because he believes her criticism of him incited the protests in 2011 and 2012. For the record, this report DOES NOT talk about the possibility of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian influence campaign.

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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2017, 02:10:31 pm »
in other words:

nothing has changed

woah woah woah slow down

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while the National Security Agency has moderate confidence, the report acknowledges.
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NSA express "high degree of confidence" in this fact.


FBI and CIA will say the exact same thing as each other to suck up to the government for funding.

The one thing that annoys me, is that the left is fucking blind and just scream "RUSSIAN HACKERS IS WHY WE LOST"

No, Hillary being crooked as fuck is what lost her the presidency. The "russians" who hacked podestas emails used a simple trick with a fake password reset link. All the "hackers" did was expose it all.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2017, 02:16:36 pm by Msiku »

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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2017, 02:19:38 pm »
Pizzas are suspiciously sexual it seems, but Russians absolutely can't be hackers, oh no. You right-wingers are true nutters.

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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2017, 02:27:36 pm »
No foreign agency should be allowed to interfere in another nation's election process.  I don't care what they expose.


The one thing that annoys me, is that the left is fucking blind and just scream "RUSSIAN HACKERS IS WHY WE LOST"

No, Hillary being crooked as fuck is what lost her the presidency.

Screw you.  Some people may believe that but there are a lot of us who understand that multiple factors contributed to the outcome of the election.  And your "crooked as fuck" comment is just as oversimplified as your assertion about the Left's attitude towards Russian hackers.  Maybe you should consider that the Russian propaganda efforts combined with the hack was enough to tip the scales in an incredibly close race, and that is one of the several points of outrage on the subject.
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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2017, 05:25:30 pm »
Still can't believe this comes off as a shock or an unbelievable excuse for some people. This shit has been standard Russian strategy since the cold war. Minus the hacking part, of course.
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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2017, 05:48:29 pm »
Not just russian, all nations with the power to influence other nations, do.

This is kinda hilarious in the context that USA is probably the nation that does this the most and usually with much stronger acts than hacking some emails. Maybe next time someone will pay for people to protest in Wall Streetguns and start training resistance fighters in Appalachia.

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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2017, 07:10:50 pm »
Not just russian, all nations with the power to influence other nations, do.

This is kinda hilarious in the context that USA is probably the nation that does this the most and usually with much stronger acts than hacking some emails. Maybe next time someone will pay for people to protest in Wall Streetguns and start training resistance fighters in Appalachia.

PS. Hi Reape!  :)

The fact that the USA is guilty of such election interference (hello Vietnam War) does not take away the fact that it was still wrong for Russia to do it. It does just the opposite: it normalizes what should have been considered an outrage into just another semi-legitimate political tool. What next, do we go back to the days of "War is just a continuation of politics by other mean."?


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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2017, 07:42:17 pm »
What do you mean go back?

Syria, Ukraine, Irak, Afghanistan, Libya...

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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2017, 07:48:18 pm »
What do you mean go back?

Syria, Ukraine, Irak, Afghanistan, Libya...

Yes, and a lot of people were outraged over that.

As they should be.

I'm not questioning that it happens, or that it happens often, I'm questioning the attitude that treats this as an acceptable activity.

Not cool, Russia. NOT. COOL.

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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2017, 08:14:41 pm »
No, Hillary being crooked as fuck is what lost her the presidency. The "russians" who hacked podestas emails used a simple trick with a fake password reset link. All the "hackers" did was expose it all.
Can you please point out the specific emails demonstrating that Hillary is "crooked as fuck"? So far the worst I heard are emails I'm which she discusses her rhetorical strategy with other democrats.
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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2017, 09:29:07 pm »
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/313173-ex-cia-director-trumps-comments-will-lead-to-wave-of-resignations

These people are surprised that Trump blatantly rejects information that makes it look like him winning was illegitimate? Of course he does. His ego is too fragile to allow it.

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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2017, 10:02:58 pm »
Trump can't even accept that he legitimately lost the popular vote. Instead he decided to believe without evidence whatsoever that there were millions of illegal voters for Hilary Clinton. That's Republicans for you, if facts are against you, reject reality and make up your own.
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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2017, 02:17:07 pm »
What do you mean go back?

Syria, Ukraine, Irak, Afghanistan, Libya...

Yes, and a lot of people were outraged over that.

As they should be.

I'm not questioning that it happens, or that it happens often, I'm questioning the attitude that treats this as an acceptable activity.

Not cool, Russia. NOT. COOL.


Agreed.  I don't like the U.S. interfering other nations' electoral processes, either.  There are going to be some contexts where it proves necessary, but in general I've not been a fan of U.S. foreign policy in this regard for a long time.  The U.S. has been pretty good at destabilizing other nations in the name of "national security" and our economic and political interests, and it's a bunch of bullshit.  We shouldn't be doing it, and I don't want other nations doing it to us.
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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2017, 06:28:37 am »
Awwww shit, guys! "Multiple outlets are reporting that intelligence officials briefed President Obama and President Elect Trump on allegations that Russia has in their possession compromising information on the President elect." Megathread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5n8z88/megathread_intelligence_report_claims_russia_has/

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/donald-trump-intelligence-report-russia
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/10/fbi-chief-given-dossier-by-john-mccain-alleging-secret-trump-russia-contacts?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2017, 04:34:11 am »
So after going through the reddit thread what is all the stuff that the fake news might have originated from 4chan? If so this would be the biggest Media/DEM fail of all times. Seems Trump was never briefed about anything http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/11/trump-was-not-briefed-on-document-with-explosive-russia-allegations-official-says.html  This seems to be turning out to be a Media Fail I hope our intelligence agency did not get its source from 4chan.

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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2017, 04:54:16 pm »
So after going through the reddit thread what is all the stuff that the fake news might have originated from 4chan? If so this would be the biggest Media/DEM fail of all times. Seems Trump was never briefed about anything http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/11/trump-was-not-briefed-on-document-with-explosive-russia-allegations-official-says.html  This seems to be turning out to be a Media Fail I hope our intelligence agency did not get its source from 4chan.
No, that's already debunked. 4chan is just trying to take credit. It originated in July and then 4chan tried to take credit in November, saying they were the source. Total bullshit.

http://gizmodo.com/4chan-idiots-claim-they-invented-the-trump-piss-report-1791067589

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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2017, 06:01:52 pm »
So after going through the reddit thread what is all the stuff that the fake news might have originated from 4chan? If so this would be the biggest Media/DEM fail of all times. Seems Trump was never briefed about anything http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/11/trump-was-not-briefed-on-document-with-explosive-russia-allegations-official-says.html  This seems to be turning out to be a Media Fail I hope our intelligence agency did not get its source from 4chan.
No, that's already debunked. 4chan is just trying to take credit. It originated in July and then 4chan tried to take credit in November, saying they were the source. Total bullshit.

http://gizmodo.com/4chan-idiots-claim-they-invented-the-trump-piss-report-1791067589

Even your own Article says they are still tracking down a lead of who started it

"Update 1/12/17 2:48pm EST: Oh hey! @trsprudence is back. We have no idea why his account was gone for a while, or why it came back, but based on his recent tweets he’s sticking by his story. We’ve reached out and will update if anything comes of it."


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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2017, 06:43:58 pm »
What do you mean go back?

Syria, Ukraine, Irak, Afghanistan, Libya...

Yes, and a lot of people were outraged over that.

As they should be.

I'm not questioning that it happens, or that it happens often, I'm questioning the attitude that treats this as an acceptable activity.

Not cool, Russia. NOT. COOL.


Agreed.  I don't like the U.S. interfering other nations' electoral processes, either.  There are going to be some contexts where it proves necessary, but in general I've not been a fan of U.S. foreign policy in this regard for a long time.  The U.S. has been pretty good at destabilizing other nations in the name of "national security" and our economic and political interests, and it's a bunch of bullshit.  We shouldn't be doing it, and I don't want other nations doing it to us.

Whether you're outraged or not, it doesn't really matter. This is a reality of the information age.

My position on that matter might be a bit more jaded than yours, as Russian intelligence has effectively fucked with us for the entirety of my country's modern existence.

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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2017, 11:16:58 pm »
So after going through the reddit thread what is all the stuff that the fake news might have originated from 4chan? If so this would be the biggest Media/DEM fail of all times. Seems Trump was never briefed about anything http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/11/trump-was-not-briefed-on-document-with-explosive-russia-allegations-official-says.html  This seems to be turning out to be a Media Fail I hope our intelligence agency did not get its source from 4chan.
No, that's already debunked. 4chan is just trying to take credit. It originated in July and then 4chan tried to take credit in November, saying they were the source. Total bullshit.

http://gizmodo.com/4chan-idiots-claim-they-invented-the-trump-piss-report-1791067589

Even your own Article says they are still tracking down a lead of who started it

"Update 1/12/17 2:48pm EST: Oh hey! @trsprudence is back. We have no idea why his account was gone for a while, or why it came back, but based on his recent tweets he’s sticking by his story. We’ve reached out and will update if anything comes of it."


My own, as if I somehow claim ownership over that article like I wrote it myself? I literally googled "4chan july november trump" - it's not exactly uncommon knowledge. Have a go at it yourself: https://www.google.com/search?q=4chan+july+november+trump&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

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Re: Declassified report: Putin ordered election interference to help Trump
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2017, 03:28:20 am »
I'm pretty sure most of the internet should know that 4chan are a bunch of trolls. The entire site exists to fuck with you.
It was a rip off of 2chan, tbh. That doesn't mean it's users are any less fuckwits.

Never believe anything that originates from 4cunts