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Title: Orion Manga by Masamune Shirow [new offer / alternate version]?
Post by: carniska on October 05, 2009, 04:03:00 PM
Edit: To ease reading (from different sources in bakabt) I'll 'pull' the conclution to here.

Offer found here:
http://bakabt.me/torrent/148408/Orion.html

I ended to use normal HQ 1600 .jpg version. Here are comparison pictures regarding content of the old torrent and the new one:

Old torrent on left, new on right:
(http://carniska.wippiespace.com/orion/screenshot/006_old_tb.jpg) (http://carniska.wippiespace.com/orion/screenshot/006_o.jpg)  (http://carniska.wippiespace.com/orion/screenshot/006_1600tb.jpg) (http://carniska.wippiespace.com/orion/screenshot/006_1600.jpg)

(http://carniska.wippiespace.com/orion/1600/old_image_for_comparison_tb.jpg) (http://carniska.wippiespace.com/orion/1600/old_image_for_comparison.jpg)  (http://carniska.wippiespace.com/orion/1600/98_tb.jpg) (http://carniska.wippiespace.com/orion/1600/98.jpg)

Source I've used were ~2528 x ~3953px .bmp images (exported from e-book i found) and aprox ~30mb per picture (samples of the original source later in this thread).

Here's what I've done to achieve normal HQ 1600px version:

1) Extracted all 272 pages one by one from e-book to .bmp.
2) Converted the pics from original .bmp to .jpg.
3) Adjusted the white and black levels manually with @Dille's help.
4) Resized the images to height of 1600px.
5) Renamed all files to correct pageflow etc. adjustments.
6) Packed them seperatly to corresponding .rar archives -- regarding chapters.

And now back to the original post:

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As I made adoption from "Orion Manga by Masamune Shirow" four days ago, I got my hands on e-book version (all images in .bmp @extracted from source). I'll add some comparsion pictures to the end of this post inside a spoiler.

Adopted torrent page:
http://bakabt.me/torrent/10740/Orion_Manga_by_Masamune_Shirow.html

original torrent (differences compared to e-book version):
(click to show/hide)

e-book version (differences compared to original):
(click to show/hide)

Comparsion pictures (with text sample comparsion):
(click to show/hide)

Should I start this project and new offer or just forget it?

Edit: added pics.
Title: Re: Orion Manga by Masamune Shirow [new offer / alternate version]?
Post by: Duki3003 on October 05, 2009, 06:38:47 PM
To be honest I wouldn't mind, quality is a lot better, but imo it would be better to keep it lossless - convert it to png instead.
But that's my opinion, it would be best if you wait to hear it from another mod as well...
Title: Re: Orion Manga by Masamune Shirow [new offer / alternate version]?
Post by: carniska on October 05, 2009, 10:11:07 PM
I think I'll gonna wait more comments.

The variety of the image resolution (orion issue 01) is following:
Cover image: 2636x4093
Cover back images from: 2522x3933 to 2528x3963
Story page images: 2534x3963 or 2534x3973

I have now extracted all the images from "Orion issue 01" for testing purpouses (archive size). Here's some additional samples:

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Orion Manga by Masamune Shirow [new offer / alternate version]?
Post by: carniska on October 06, 2009, 03:10:20 PM
I was thinking about torrent file size, that it would be good if its on reasonable range (not like 1.6 GB as one other version i made proved). So I finished the the second version gaining 254mb archive/torrent size with 1500px horizontal width for all issues (01-06).

I went throught all 272 images with adobe, edited dual-paged images into one, renamed whole filelist, seperated all issues/volumes to corresponding archives. Tested all 6 archives with different image viewer softwares (wich support direct archive reading) regarding compatibility and support.

here's sample pictures:
(click to show/hide)
With that quality presented in the spoiler, archives would be in reasonable size (272 pages -> 254mb in whloe) -- in my opinion.

I'll finish up the .png version and inform whats the accual filesize for the archives regarding 272 images.
Title: Re: Orion Manga by Masamune Shirow [new offer / alternate version]?
Post by: carniska on October 06, 2009, 05:03:11 PM
Phew. The .png version might be too huge (or maby I'm just not skilled enough to make good png's couse the filesize was 1.2GB). But finally I finished 1600px version of jpg. File size: 156mb.

Anyways, 1600px version looks way better than the original - specially after I managed to adjust black&white levels with help of @Dille :)

Sample pictures of 1600px version after B/W levels adjusted:
http://carniska.wippiespace.com/orion/1600/130.jpg
http://carniska.wippiespace.com/orion/1600/117.jpg
http://carniska.wippiespace.com/orion/1600/112.jpg
http://carniska.wippiespace.com/orion/1600/98.jpg

Edit: I tested all the archives with different manga reader softwares -- wich support direct archive reading -- (Quivi, MangaReader, MangaMeey) regarding compatibility and correct pageflow.
Title: Re: Orion Manga by Masamune Shirow [new offer / alternate version]?
Post by: marcepan on November 04, 2009, 01:26:31 PM
Quote from: carniska
Atm it seems that the djvu format you have is the same that I've been using as source. The problem with colours -- in that publication is... hmm... Maby it's better to quote what our respected user @Dille said (and I agree with him/her amongst the others): [...]
I wholeheartedly agree with that. What I said about colour balancing and post-processing applies only when scanning the original manga. In the case where your only source is a low-quality scan, then manual retouching (like you have done for this release, I understand) is the only thing one can do to improve quality.

That said, you did an awesome job. :)
Title: Re: Orion Manga by Masamune Shirow [new offer / alternate version]?
Post by: carniska on November 04, 2009, 08:35:28 PM
@marcepan, thank you so much for your comments :) To say honestly, I have been unsure regarding the entirety of the Orion 'manga' version that I have offered. I have provided some sample pics etc, but so far no one has said anything about the entirety, and at that point I thought it was ok thing: "No complains - it works or atleast it's ok". But that kind of thinking is only one sided.

I was so happy to read your comment/post about "colour reproduction", "colour charts" and "W/B levels" etc. (at this point, I can honestly say that I'm rookie) -- hope you understand what I mean; that someone criticizes "on the whole" -- specially after 1 month of waiting regarding the files I have offered =^.^= And honestly: I appriciate your comments and alot.

Thank you :)
Title: Re: Orion Manga by Masamune Shirow [new offer / alternate version]?
Post by: Xiong Chiamiov on November 05, 2009, 12:33:46 AM
Quote from: carniska on November 04, 2009, 08:35:28 PM
specially after 1 month of waiting regarding the files I have offered =^.^=
Threads go off the radar after a few days.  If you're waiting on input, just bump and tell us to stop being lazy asses and give you some.