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Title: persona question
Post by: kenshin-dono on October 12, 2009, 07:41:41 AM
hey guys. I bought persona 3 a while back but never played it. A friend loaned me persona 4 which i actually kinda wanted to play after seeing some scenes from it (i guess you go in peoples minds? the thing that caught my eye was going int he mind of some gamer where you go into a traditional rpg world, lol looked funny)

anyway i was wondering Should i really play persona 3 before 4? is the story a continuation at all? Even if its not will 3 seem crappy in comparison if i play 4 instead?

I never played a persona game. I remember playing shin megami nocturne. I hated it it was WAY too hard, the spells made no sense and had no explination and you couldnt' control your party at all. Worst of all if your character died it was instant game over. Im hoping the persona games aren't like that?
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: Havoc10K on October 12, 2009, 10:06:45 AM
l don't remember any persona game being related, it's like Final Fantasy.

tough you might want to play Persona 3 FES as well as Persona 3, FES is entended with more costumes and a few side quests, as well as increased ammount of characters you can interact with (non-playable characters) and it's still a lot of fun, and the story in it is really great.

l havent played Persona 4 yet, l think l'll order it next month after l finish Odin Sphere and Silmeria, l play to finish Mana Khemia in december
but the only games that are related in Shin Megami Tensei series are the Demon Summoner l think, altough l don't know if it's the same since l haven't played any of it but it seems really fun :]

actually l think the whole idea of Demon Summoning in Persona (Shin Megami Tensei) is really awesome, altough l didn't like some female types of demons those badass demons were really great.
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: Nikran on October 12, 2009, 10:38:32 AM
play 3 frist. hopefully it's persona 3 FES and not vanilla persona 3.

afterwards try out 4.


EDIT: You hated nocturne cuz it was too hard...? hmm, maybe you shouldn't play persona, not that it's as hard as nocturne, but there are some VERY tough fights at times. yes if main char dies it's instant game over. In persona 3 you cannot directly control your party members, u give them orders and they sorta obey (At times they do good and others they piss u off). Persona 4 you get full control of your party.

Bear in mind im the kinda persona player that thinks a hard difficulty frist play through is fun ;D
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: Path on October 12, 2009, 11:39:58 AM
Persona 3 and 4 are nothing compared to DDS (or Nocturne, which could be outright sadistic), but they're certainly harder than many other JRPGs (contemporary players tend to compare things to games like Final Fantasy, where it's usually impossible to die unless you go out of your way to try). As for P3 and P4, the former has (in my opinion) a better overall story, and a better cast, but P4 has better gameplay. As such, you should really start with P3 FES if you intend to play both.
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: Nikran on October 12, 2009, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: Path on October 12, 2009, 11:39:58 AM
Persona 3 and 4 are nothing compared to DDS (or Nocturne, which could be outright sadistic), but they're certainly harder than many other JRPGs (contemporary players tend to compare things to games like Final Fantasy, where it's usually impossible to die unless you go out of your way to try). As for P3 and P4, the former has (in my opinion) a better overall story, and a better cast, but P4 has better gameplay. As such, you should really start with P3 FES if you intend to play both.

it would also make more sense to do 3 frist cuz otherwise a certain school trip in 4 won't be as entertaining ;D
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: sdedalus83 on October 12, 2009, 12:02:39 PM
There are no random encounters in P3 or P4.  So the biggest problem most people had with Nocturne, the ridiculous random encounter rate, is eliminated in the newer games.

I'd recommend playing P4 first since it's considerably less difficult.  If after 80 - 100 hours of that you want something similar, but more challenging and with a better story, then play P3.
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: Nikran on October 12, 2009, 12:10:34 PM
Quote from: sdedalus83 on October 12, 2009, 12:02:39 PM
There are no random encounters in P3 or P4.  So the biggest problem most people had with Nocturne, the ridiculous random encounter rate, is eliminated in the newer games.

I'd recommend playing P4 first since it's considerably less difficult.  If after 80 - 100 hours of that you want something similar, but more challenging and with a better story, then play P3.

I can run rings around shadows on p3 and always get frist attack which makes a battle far easier if u can wipe them out before they get a turn in. On p4 shadows are far harder to attack frist, even more so cuz cheap tricks like running away and then attacking them once they stop chasing (Cuz most the time they will turn around) doesn't work in p4.
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: Havoc10K on October 12, 2009, 05:08:00 PM
so P4 is related to P3 ?
thats interesting, l'll be sure to play P4 now since l finished it some time ago ;]
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: zherok on October 12, 2009, 10:32:11 PM
There's a couple (non-playable) recurring characters from 3 in the fourth game, and all of the Persona games are set in the same world, but it ain't a direct sequel if that's what you mean.
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: Nikran on October 12, 2009, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: zherok on October 12, 2009, 10:32:11 PM
and all of the Persona games are set in the same world, but it ain't a direct sequel if that's what you mean.

No there not.

Persona, persona 2 innocent sin + persona 2 eternal punishment are set in the same world as eachother.

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But persona 3 and 4 are set in a diffrent world from their predecessors.

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Title: Re: persona question
Post by: Havoc10K on October 13, 2009, 04:58:14 AM
Nice to know, l'll order P4 next month then with P3 Fes, since l played it on emu.
just to have a whole collectioon of what l enjoyed the most ;]
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: zherok on October 13, 2009, 08:37:29 AM
Quote from: Nikran on October 12, 2009, 10:48:40 PM
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I'll admit I haven't played much of 1 or 2, but...
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Title: Re: persona question
Post by: UMMX on October 14, 2009, 05:52:47 AM
Quote from: Havoc10K on October 12, 2009, 05:08:00 PM
so P4 is related to P3 ?
thats interesting, l'll be sure to play P4 now since l finished it some time ago ;]


Only the fact that there in the same timeline, then yes..... Persona 3 ends in 2009 and Persona 3 Fes ends in the almost near the winter of 2009. Persona 4 takes place 6 months after Persona 3 Fes ends. There also ... linking to both games.


Also Persona 2 is also connect to Persona 3 Sin, The
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Title: Re: persona question
Post by: Havoc10K on October 14, 2009, 06:37:03 AM
nice to know, but first Odin Sphere, man l missed that game so much for it's artwork and sound :) and the stories are magnificent ;]

l'll be sure to play P4 next month tough ;] FES was a lot of fun and l expect the same from P4.
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: kenshin-dono on October 14, 2009, 09:00:00 AM
wow lotta replies

ya it is FES not regular 3.  And yes i hated nocturne because it was too hard. Any game where mobs throw out instant death spells at random and its game over when your main character dies is utter horseshit in my opinion. The spells also made no sense and had no real descriptions so i just gave up. I didn't get that far but after watching the spoony review on it it looks like the kinda game you pretty much NEED a strategy guide for to play and that its just flat out cheap. Thats not good gameplay or fun IMO  http://www.spoonyexperiment.com/page/4/ one at the top

ungh thats really lame that 3 is the same in the no control category. Blea i should still probably try it before 4 though because i probably wont want to go back to 3 after playing 4. Sounds like its related story wise too

funny odins sphere came up. Thats been sitting on my play pile for years. Im still worried about starting it up. it looks retarded deep i dont want to spend 100+ hours playing it. I mean, your hp's gain xp! lol
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/4/25/

right now the ps2 game im playing is ar tonelico. Its fun and hilariously sexual innuendo-y I never did buy 2 though because of the game ending bug
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: Havoc10K on October 14, 2009, 09:47:05 AM
well l played it once before but Odin Sphere is just one of those game l just have to play, reason 1 - music, just beautiful, 2- artwork, simply amazing, 3- story, and yeh it's a long game, but l play only when l have the time, and thats scarce lately, l might have more next week but still, also l'll be gaming FES again next year, around end of January, and l'll start playing P4 around december, l'll order the game next month tough, l'll play FES cuz it's fun ;] and the story is nice, and there is this beach scene with Yukari (if l remember her name correctly) where you can grab her and hold her cuz shes really sad, and the bluch she makes is just so much fun :D
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: kenshin-dono on October 15, 2009, 05:22:18 AM
lol i'll have to pm you for tips when i get around to playing it =P
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: Havoc10K on October 15, 2009, 06:09:45 AM
gamespot has the tips, most walkthroughs are nowadays done without spoilers.
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: Sakubo on October 15, 2009, 02:52:01 PM
Quote from: Nikran on October 12, 2009, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: zherok on October 12, 2009, 10:32:11 PM
and all of the Persona games are set in the same world, but it ain't a direct sequel if that's what you mean.

No there not.

Persona, persona 2 innocent sin + persona 2 eternal punishment are set in the same world as eachother.

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But persona 3 and 4 are set in a diffrent world from their predecessors.

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About your second quote
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I havent finished 1 yet and have never played 2+sin so I dont know for sure if they are tied in but going by what you used to say they weren't tied together was incorrect as it occurs in at least 3 for sure (not finished 4 yet) but if 3 did tie in then 4 would as well since 4 has characters from 3 in it
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: Nikran on October 15, 2009, 03:02:03 PM
Quote from: Sakubo on October 15, 2009, 02:52:01 PM
Quote from: Nikran on October 12, 2009, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: zherok on October 12, 2009, 10:32:11 PM
and all of the Persona games are set in the same world, but it ain't a direct sequel if that's what you mean.

No there not.

Persona, persona 2 innocent sin + persona 2 eternal punishment are set in the same world as eachother.

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But persona 3 and 4 are set in a diffrent world from their predecessors.

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About your second quote
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I havent finished 1 yet and have never played 2+sin so I dont know for sure if they are tied in but going by what you used to say they weren't tied together was incorrect as it occurs in at least 3 for sure (not finished 4 yet) but if 3 did tie in then 4 would as well since 4 has characters from 3 in it

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Title: Re: persona question
Post by: zherok on October 15, 2009, 07:55:19 PM
Quote from: kenshin-dono on October 14, 2009, 09:00:00 AM
ya it is FES not regular 3.  And yes i hated nocturne because it was too hard. Any game where mobs throw out instant death spells at random and its game over when your main character dies is utter horseshit in my opinion. The spells also made no sense and had no real descriptions so i just gave up.
You probably wouldn't like Digital Devil Saga for the same reasons either. Monsters spam low chance death spells in that as well. Persona should be a bit easier, but as far as spells, well, they all tend to use the same names. It's not significantly different from how Final Fantasys keep the same naming conventions, and they're just as consistent.
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: Havoc10K on October 15, 2009, 07:59:05 PM
the only thing that bothered me in persona is when main char dies the game over even if the rest of thr party is alive, really annoying, but other than that it was great.
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: Nikran on October 15, 2009, 08:00:35 PM
Quote from: zherok on October 15, 2009, 07:55:19 PM
Quote from: kenshin-dono on October 14, 2009, 09:00:00 AM
ya it is FES not regular 3.  And yes i hated nocturne because it was too hard. Any game where mobs throw out instant death spells at random and its game over when your main character dies is utter horseshit in my opinion. The spells also made no sense and had no real descriptions so i just gave up.
You probably wouldn't like Digital Devil Saga for the same reasons either. Monsters spam low chance death spells in that as well. Persona should be a bit easier, but as far as spells, well, they all tend to use the same names. It's not significantly different from how Final Fantasys keep the same naming conventions, and they're just as consistent.

In persona once u learn to get the frist attack almost all the time you can run away as soon as you start a battle. If you then become familier with the enemies in persona it's easy to evade the instant kill spammers all the time. Only thing you can do in Nocturne and maybe digital devil saga is get immunity to death asap or caste the instant kill absorbing spell......whatever it's called =/

Quote from: Havoc10K on October 15, 2009, 07:59:05 PM
the only thing that bothered me in persona is when main char dies the game over even if the rest of thr party is alive, really annoying, but other than that it was great.

Doesn't bother me. my main char is too tough to die on persona games. Only nocturne is a threat since its way more brutal.
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: Havoc10K on October 15, 2009, 08:09:56 PM
yeah but it is bothering, l mean, the kill spell can be cast early in the game, before you can get the death-immunity accessory, lol that sounds nice, death-immune, l want :D
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: shabutie on October 15, 2009, 10:28:44 PM
Quote from: Nikran on October 15, 2009, 08:00:35 PM

Quote from: Havoc10K on October 15, 2009, 07:59:05 PM
the only thing that bothered me in persona is when main char dies the game over even if the rest of thr party is alive, really annoying, but other than that it was great.

Doesn't bother me. my main char is too tough to die on persona games. Only nocturne is a threat since its way more brutal.

I actually enjoyed that part in Nocturne.

It just made sense.  You're a demon that's commanding other demons... You really think they're gonna stick around and revive you when they see that you've died?
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: Nikran on October 15, 2009, 10:36:18 PM
Quote from: shabutie on October 15, 2009, 10:28:44 PM
Quote from: Nikran on October 15, 2009, 08:00:35 PM

Quote from: Havoc10K on October 15, 2009, 07:59:05 PM
the only thing that bothered me in persona is when main char dies the game over even if the rest of thr party is alive, really annoying, but other than that it was great.

Doesn't bother me. my main char is too tough to die on persona games. Only nocturne is a threat since its way more brutal.

I actually enjoyed that part in Nocturne.

It just made sense.  You're a demon that's commanding other demons... You really think they're gonna stick around and revive you when they see that you've died?

It was fine most of the time. But there are a couple of really bad places, such as that huge tower, some enemies in there just loved to spam an instant kill at you. That fucked me off badly when they managed to give me a game over once and i hadn't saved in a while. Also Succubus's with there damn sleep + eternal rest which was an instant kill with 100% chance success.

hmm, good times in nocturne......espec ially cursed corridor in the labyrinth of amala ::)
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: kenshin-dono on October 16, 2009, 06:03:42 PM
Quote from: zherok on October 15, 2009, 07:55:19 PM
Quote from: kenshin-dono on October 14, 2009, 09:00:00 AM
ya it is FES not regular 3.  And yes i hated nocturne because it was too hard. Any game where mobs throw out instant death spells at random and its game over when your main character dies is utter horseshit in my opinion. The spells also made no sense and had no real descriptions so i just gave up.
You probably wouldn't like Digital Devil Saga for the same reasons either. Monsters spam low chance death spells in that as well. Persona should be a bit easier, but as far as spells, well, they all tend to use the same names. It's not significantly different from how Final Fantasys keep the same naming conventions, and they're just as consistent.

ya but final fantasy at least makes kinda sense.. im pretty sure fira is gonna be a fire spell. WTF is bufu? yeesh. at least give a description in game or something. I still think instant death spells ina  game where if your main char goes down its game over is UTTER BS

Im gonna give 3 a shot first i guess but i still have so many other games to play. A quick glance of the stuff just on the top of my tower to the right is 25, and thats just most of the 360 and ps3 ones. I got several ps2 and xbox games still too and all this anime im playing catchup on from my 4+ year absense >_<
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: Nikran on October 16, 2009, 06:23:44 PM
Quote from: kenshin-dono on October 16, 2009, 06:03:42 PM
Quote from: zherok on October 15, 2009, 07:55:19 PM
Quote from: kenshin-dono on October 14, 2009, 09:00:00 AM
ya it is FES not regular 3.  And yes i hated nocturne because it was too hard. Any game where mobs throw out instant death spells at random and its game over when your main character dies is utter horseshit in my opinion. The spells also made no sense and had no real descriptions so i just gave up.
You probably wouldn't like Digital Devil Saga for the same reasons either. Monsters spam low chance death spells in that as well. Persona should be a bit easier, but as far as spells, well, they all tend to use the same names. It's not significantly different from how Final Fantasys keep the same naming conventions, and they're just as consistent.

ya but final fantasy at least makes kinda sense.. im pretty sure fira is gonna be a fire spell. WTF is bufu? yeesh. at least give a description in game or something. I still think instant death spells ina  game where if your main char goes down its game over is UTTER BS

Im gonna give 3 a shot first i guess but i still have so many other games to play. A quick glance of the stuff just on the top of my tower to the right is 25, and thats just most of the 360 and ps3 ones. I got several ps2 and xbox games still too and all this anime im playing catchup on from my 4+ year absense >_<

I've said it before, once u get familier with Persona 3 you'll be able to deal with the instant kills much better. Tbh it's the stuff you can't avoid that is far worse.......like a mass charm spamming boss.....or if the boss's name happens to be change relic >:(
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: sdedalus83 on October 16, 2009, 09:56:04 PM
By the time you get to a point in P3 where you have to worry about enemies casting instant death spells, you should be able to create personae resistant to both light and dark.  By level 25 or so you can have both in the same persona.
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: logos on October 19, 2009, 07:26:27 AM
Quote from: kenshin-dono on October 16, 2009, 06:03:42 PM
Quote from: zherok on October 15, 2009, 07:55:19 PM
Quote from: kenshin-dono on October 14, 2009, 09:00:00 AM
ya it is FES not regular 3.  And yes i hated nocturne because it was too hard. Any game where mobs throw out instant death spells at random and its game over when your main character dies is utter horseshit in my opinion. The spells also made no sense and had no real descriptions so i just gave up.
You probably wouldn't like Digital Devil Saga for the same reasons either. Monsters spam low chance death spells in that as well. Persona should be a bit easier, but as far as spells, well, they all tend to use the same names. It's not significantly different from how Final Fantasys keep the same naming conventions, and they're just as consistent.
...in nocturne you can go to the skills/spells menu and there's a description of every spell/skill that you and all your demons have..then once you get used to the naming style it's becomes really easy to identify a new spell type.  And wtf, how is nocturne hard?  I've only died like 5 times, insta kill spells almost never connect and death resistance/immunity is obtained fairly quickly, but I don't even use it due to the extremely low odds of being hit by it...but maybe I'm just lucky.

ya but final fantasy at least makes kinda sense.. im pretty sure fira is gonna be a fire spell. WTF is bufu? yeesh. at least give a description in game or something. I still think instant death spells ina  game where if your main char goes down its game over is UTTER BS

Im gonna give 3 a shot first i guess but i still have so many other games to play. A quick glance of the stuff just on the top of my tower to the right is 25, and thats just most of the 360 and ps3 ones. I got several ps2 and xbox games still too and all this anime im playing catchup on from my 4+ year absense >_<
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: UMMX on October 22, 2009, 01:55:40 PM
Quote from: Nikran on October 15, 2009, 03:02:03 PM
Quote from: Sakubo on October 15, 2009, 02:52:01 PM
Quote from: Nikran on October 12, 2009, 10:48:40 PM
Quote from: zherok on October 12, 2009, 10:32:11 PM
and all of the Persona games are set in the same world, but it ain't a direct sequel if that's what you mean.

No there not.

Persona, persona 2 innocent sin + persona 2 eternal punishment are set in the same world as eachother.

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But persona 3 and 4 are set in a diffrent world from their predecessors.

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About your second quote
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I havent finished 1 yet and have never played 2+sin so I dont know for sure if they are tied in but going by what you used to say they weren't tied together was incorrect as it occurs in at least 3 for sure (not finished 4 yet) but if 3 did tie in then 4 would as well since 4 has characters from 3 in it

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Just to let you two guys know, your fighting over stuff that doesnt matter. The only reason why they could there power in the dark hour was because..... The director use it as a plot, Also If you where Persona Trinity soul
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PS: I got the last Persona 1 for PSP.
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: Havoc10K on October 22, 2009, 01:57:51 PM
n oone ever said they couldnt lol ;]
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: Mikan on October 24, 2009, 01:11:24 AM
I just picked up the psp ver. go buy it, took me getting used to but I love it!! Per 3 FES is a must (not 3.) FES is persona 3 with more stuff. Since 3 versions where released (Brilliant...) P3 FES, P4 (Both ps2) Persona for psp and... for those who know it by the MMORPG. the mmo is NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING Compared to these games.
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: sdedalus83 on October 24, 2009, 02:22:50 AM
Mikan - search for devil hackers.  It's a psx hacking and translation group.  They did an incredible job on Persona 2: Innocent Sin.  It's worth picking upa real copy, but the patch will work on the iso floating about the interwebs.
They're also working on Soul Hackers, often considered the best of the entire SMT series.
Aeon Genesis has patches for a lot of the pre psx SMT games as well.
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: UMMX on October 24, 2009, 04:38:28 AM
I played the half of Persona 2: Innocent Sin Is an harder game to play and it has more monster in it. I played to the ending of the sec part of the game and got tried of it.

IF you play Innocent Sin and then play the  US release of the game you will notice the different in powers.
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: sfchakan on November 02, 2009, 02:16:23 AM
I don't think anyone mentioned Devil Survivor for the DS yet. It's been a blast to play, imo. A SRPG entry into the series that's not incredibly difficult.


<3 SMT. ^^
Title: Re: persona question
Post by: zherok on November 02, 2009, 07:45:51 AM
Devil Survivor can scale pretty quickly if you don't bother to level outside story missions. But yeah, there's no instant death spell spam (although a good enemy turn can still wipe out a party...)