If you're doing a cheap build might as well get a pre build package. You can normally get deals on pre builds.....
I had to laugh at this. Seems like a vicious circle. Guy asks about prebuilds, and we tell him to build one himself (yes, I even remember the thread, it's not that old). He asks about building one, and you tell him to get a prebuilt?
Anyway, Osmo. Got any sites that you want to buy from where we can browse for parts? I'm willing to bet that most of us will know of only American sites (and Canadian for us Canadians).
What's the primary purpose of your build? Gaming? Media playback?
How long do you expect to be using this build? Do you have an upgrade path in mind?
How much a concern is heat for you? How about noise?
Top end Gaming, full media playback and professional photography.Mobo: Can you still hold off for a few more weeks? Z68 based boards are going to be released next month. Otherwise, only this (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-170-MS&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=) mobo caught my attention. It costs a little bit more above your budget though
Intend to use about 2 years atleast, and I do like the option of upgrading to.
Heat is not a big concern niether is noise. but I don't want something that gets hot really easy or make alot of noise that I hear it during gameplay or viewing movies.
Right now I'm looking for a good mobo withing the £100 range.
Mobo: Can you still hold off for a few more weeks? Z68 based boards are going to be released next month. Otherwise, only this (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-170-MS&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=) mobo caught my attention. It costs a little bit more above your budget though
I have no idea about Z68 based boards and how they will benefit me also the price, could you explain in your own words? Thanks.
The motherboard always confuses me. But tell me which one is better the one you mentioned or the ASUS p8h67 I was told to get? Thanks.
I'm not super knowledgeable on mobos - just make sure it's a socket 1155 and that it has a P67 chipset (check reviews too - Google for them if necessary). The form factor you'll want will depend on your case. I'll assume you want a normal ATX-size case though.
For RAM, you want sticks that have a speed rating of at least the speed that your processor can access them at (DDR3-1333 for the i5 2500K). Best to go up a bit for overclocking's sake. Also, aim for low latency. 6 (6-8-6-24) is probably the lowest you can go for 2GB sticks. For high-end gaming, you'll want at least 8GB (so at least 4 2GB sticks). Unfortunately, not many sites out there let you search by latency. Newegg is one of the few that do. If you can't search by latency, don't worry too much about it, as it's mostly the speed and size that matter.
I don't see an aftermarket CPU cooler anywhere....are you planning to use the stock heatsink/fan for your CPU? :-\
I have no idea about Z68 based boards and how they will benefit me also the price, could you explain in your own words? Thanks.More options. Z68 is p67 and h67 combined. As for the price, mobo makers makes multiple models to cover multiple price segments so you'll probably get one that's within your budget.
The motherboard always confuses me. But tell me which one is better the one you mentioned or the ASUS p8h67 I was told to get? Thanks.The ASUS is an H67 based board. The MSI board I linked is P67 based.
Hey lupin, any AMD boards you know that can do SLI without any issues?I'm an ATI fanboy :P nVidia sucks
Have you got any erm Ram sticks companies or models that you would reccomend?
Thanks for the replies guys.
So I made a thread awhile back about buying a pre-built, too many people were bitching about it saying build your own. So you know what? That's exactly what I'm going to do. And I need help.
It will be a i5 2500k build, so put down links or names of items of what do you think would be the best build within that price range.
Thanks you.
Bear in mind.
-Items from the UK websites only please.
-All parts must be compatible with eachother.
-Primary use; Running full 1080p Hd videos and top end gaming. Aswell as photoshop for professional photography.
-2 years at least to last
i5 2500k build.
- £100 Motherboard = Which one?
- £50 Ram (DDR3 4GB) = Which one?
- £200 GPU - ATi preferably 6970 or 6950 = Which one? or anything better in that price range?
- £40 Case - Simple, not bulky, clean looking = Which one?
- £50 -£60 Power supply OCZ? = Which one?
- £40 - £60 Hard Drive. Preferably 1TB 7200rpm. = Which one?
Operating System
MS Windows XP Home 32-bit SP3
CPU
Intel Core i5 750 @ 2.67GHz 45 °C
Lynnfield 45nm Technology
RAM
4.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 666MHz (9-9-9-24)
Motherboard
Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. P55A-UD4 (Socket 1156)
Graphics
ASUS VW266H @ 1920x1200
ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series
Hard Drives
977GB SAMSUNG SAMSUNG HD103SJ (SATA) 31 °C
977GB Western Digital WDC WD10EARS-00Y5B1 (SATA) 30 °C
488GB Western Digital WDC WD5000AADS-00S9B0 (SATA) 34 °C
Optical Drives
BENQ DVD DC DW240S
KBS UF8TER8 SCSI CdRom Device
Audio
ATI Function Driver for High Definition Audio - ATI AA01It doesn't have a future.Code: [Select]Operating System
MS Windows XP Home 32-bit SP3
CPU
Intel Core i5 750 @ 2.67GHz 45 °C
Lynnfield 45nm Technology
RAM
4.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 666MHz (9-9-9-24)
Motherboard
Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. P55A-UD4 (Socket 1156)
Graphics
ASUS VW266H @ 1920x1200
ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series
Hard Drives
977GB SAMSUNG SAMSUNG HD103SJ (SATA) 31 °C
977GB Western Digital WDC WD10EARS-00Y5B1 (SATA) 30 °C
488GB Western Digital WDC WD5000AADS-00S9B0 (SATA) 34 °C
Optical Drives
BENQ DVD DC DW240S
KBS UF8TER8 SCSI CdRom Device
Audio
ATI Function Driver for High Definition Audio - ATI AA01
Ok, that is what I have. It does exactly what you are looking for, and it is STABLE, no hardware problems at all.
Osmo, seriously consider getting more than 1 HDD. Get a boot drive and a slave drive for storage. Samsung or Caviar Black (WD) for the 1TB 7200rpm is what I personally would go for. Hitachi I'm a little confused at the moment. WD bought them out if I'm not mistaken.
I don't see an aftermarket CPU cooler anywhere....are you planning to use the stock heatsink/fan for your CPU? :-\
More options. Z68 is p67 and h67 combined. As for the price, mobo makers makes multiple models to cover multiple price segments so you'll probably get one that's within your budget.
using an SSD for a boot drive is seriously a must.
for the ram, i suggest taking a look at this Corsair 2000MHZ CL9-10-9-27 2x2GB (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CMX4GX3M2B2000C9-DDR3-Desktop-Memory/dp/B004GXR8B6/ref=sr_1_33?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1303800625&sr=1-33). the SNB has the memory multiplier unlocked, picking a high clocked ram would be a good thing.
PS: it says theres one one stock right now and it has a 40% off so Grab the ram now before the sale wears off.
i think Xfire a HD6950 would be a beast enough to play anything from this age's games by a huge margin and i'd doubt that it wont be enough for future games. go buy one first if it cant fit your budget and buy another later to Xfire. Asus 2GB HD6950 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-2GB-Radeon-6950-PCI/dp/B004GHJEQE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1303801123&sr=1-2-catcorr) kind of curious tho, i see this asus to be cheaper than the other brands with only 1gb of ram...
Note: the HD6950 can be flashed into a HD6970 but seems like only the 2GB version could only be flashed and it is highly dangerous ::) .
* preferably, i`d agree with vuzedome, GTX 560 Ti is theoretically on par with HD6950 and is just behind HD6970, tho one little thing, just to be safe STAY AWAY from OCed GTX 5xx, they have issues specially when SLIed. Asus GTX 560 Ti 1GB GDDR5 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-GeForce-560TI-DirectCUII-Graphics/dp/B004K8R8DA/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1303811477&sr=1-1) -OR- Gainward GTX 560 Ti 2GB GDDR5 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gainward-GeForce-GTX-560-Phantom/dp/B004L2L70A/ref=sr_1_11?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1303811477&sr=1-11)
the only reason you should be considering ATI over Nvidia would be image quality, ATI seems to have the advantage of better image quality(HQV 2.0 benches says so) and multiple monitors(well over 3, specially on multi-GPU setups) other than that, Nvidia has the upper hand on 3D support, Physx and Cuda.
* another thing, SLI/Xfire on HighEnd cards have some serious issues, they tend to overheat(90c-100c), specially the upper card and specially on mobo that has their PCI-E too near each other. if you consider multiple cards, try and pick a mobo with a decent spacing between the PCI-E slots.
for power supplies at least 600Watts for an 2-way SLI/Xfire rig would be enough but 700-1000Watts of raw power would be nice, specially if you`d upgrade more and pay attention to their efficiency rate, mostly at 80% and theres some at 85% rarely 90%. overkill of a rating isnt too bad, but tightly clinging to your max wattage is bad, a spike can blow it up and by blow it up, it`ll literally go in smokes and sometimes it`ll include your other parts that`ll go in smokes.
tho i dont see any decent PSU under £70(by decent i meant more than 500Watts and 80% rated)
for Cases, pay attention to what size of the board it can accommodate, how many HDDs and how spacious it is. too big would be OK but its irritating, too small would be abit bad as airflow would get obstructed and the insides would be cramped and hard to assemble.
oh yea, watch out for cases with tons of lightings, once i had one of those because i was facinated by it and guess what, it lit up my room like i had my nightlamp(my study lamp imho) on -,- so i modded all those led lights with a 220ohm resistor to limit their brightness.
if you dont have any cases in mind right now, try ASUS TA-K51 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-TA-K51-supply-silver-FireWire/dp/tech-data/B002BIXL6O/ref=de_a_smtd) , its tool free, has filters, plenty of bays to put drives on, an ATX can fit in it, it isnt too big neither it is too small and decent looking.
Edit:
ok anyway, you might want to consider buying an intelNIC and a X-Fi SoundCard.
From my experience, RAM is the thing you should be least worried about. Production of RAM is pretty standard. Just read a few reviews and look out for early failures. If it doesn't fail within the first week, it shouldn't fail within the first couple years.
Me, I'm using a 4GB dual channel kit from G.Skill (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231444) because of their low latency. I'm pretty sure you could search for the same sticks on your UK sites. I was choosing between those ones and these ones (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231351), but I took the former because they were $5 cheaper. For a gaming rig, you'd probably want the latter, because of the bigger heatsink, and heck, it looks cooler.
It doesn't have a future.Code: [Select]Operating System
MS Windows XP Home 32-bit SP3
CPU
Intel Core i5 750 @ 2.67GHz 45 °C
Lynnfield 45nm Technology
RAM
4.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 666MHz (9-9-9-24)
Motherboard
Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. P55A-UD4 (Socket 1156)
Graphics
ASUS VW266H @ 1920x1200
ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series
Hard Drives
977GB SAMSUNG SAMSUNG HD103SJ (SATA) 31 °C
977GB Western Digital WDC WD10EARS-00Y5B1 (SATA) 30 °C
488GB Western Digital WDC WD5000AADS-00S9B0 (SATA) 34 °C
Optical Drives
BENQ DVD DC DW240S
KBS UF8TER8 SCSI CdRom Device
Audio
ATI Function Driver for High Definition Audio - ATI AA01
Ok, that is what I have. It does exactly what you are looking for, and it is STABLE, no hardware problems at all.
well currently, i have not seen an OS past 40gb yet, so 40gb of ssd is enough, but if you're concerned then try at least to pick up a 60gb.
the ram i linked is a pretty big deal, usually that kind of rated ram is about £100, and right now its £50+, you could try searching other options but its a pretty darn good deal.
if you're purely on gaming, and gonna go multi card later on, GTX 560 Ti, when SLIed, rivals the newest GTX590(dual GPU single card, meaning, SLI out of the box in one card) the image quality of the newest Nvidia card and ATI isnt that much of a difference to be concerned about, but if you actually compare it side by side you`d see differences, Nvidia mostly seems grainy and colors abit dull, while ATI looks sharp and colorful.
you dont wanna waste money on GTX570 tho, if i give a scale of speed, its like GTX 560 Ti [3/10] - GTX 570 [4/10] - GTX 580 [9/10] - GTX 590 [10/10], GTX 560 Ti practically sandwiched GTX 570 on it's value.
IntelNIC = well known LAN card, its better than almost any onboard lan, has better packet management and you`d see better latencies and smoother connections. but if you're not concerned about better lan connections and internet, then the onboard on the SNB should be enough and you might not see the difference.
X-Fi soundcard = well known soundcard, if i`d give example, Orchestra A(regular Orchestra) only has 10 different types of instruments playing with a decent stadium while Orchestra B(X-Fi) has 50 different types of instruments playing with a super stadium. X-Fi Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Blaster_X-Fi)
I don't see an aftermarket CPU cooler anywhere....are you planning to use the stock heatsink/fan for your CPU? :-\
I'm sorry come again?
Sure it does.You're using a dead socket (1156).
It will also take the i7 series of cpu's, up to 14 TB in HD's and if I run a 64 bit OS, I can install the other 4GB of ram I have sitting safe in my drawer.
So why don't I have it set up that way? Because I don't need that much right now.
well currently, i have not seen an OS past 40gb yet, so 40gb of ssd is enough, but if you're concerned then try at least to pick up a 60gb.
How much do you reckon Win7 takes up- Updates and all? And 60GB is a good idea.
have you considered 3D photography? tho its only viable with Nvidia's 3D vision kit and of course the videocard.3D-Vision (http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-main.html) ==> 3D-Vision Pro (http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-professional-users.html) -OR- 3D-Vision Home User(gamer) (http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-home-users.html). with Pro, you`d need a quadro GPU, which is 4x-10x more expensive so i dont think you`d want that and Quadro GPUs arent good with games.Ugh.
Note: you could use your GTX 5xx something as an alternate 3D-Vision Pro, you just need to follow the instructions with the Pro version and use the gpu as an alternate, the only problem for that is it wouldnt be as snappy than a Quadro(meaning it`ll lag from time to time, but quality wise, it`ll be the same)
Sure it does.You're using a dead socket (1156).
It will also take the i7 series of cpu's, up to 14 TB in HD's and if I run a 64 bit OS, I can install the other 4GB of ram I have sitting safe in my drawer.
So why don't I have it set up that way? Because I don't need that much right now.
It can take Nehalem i7s but not Sandy Bridge i7s.
But we can't deny that 1156 has reached the end of the line, now that 1155 is out and another coming soon.Sure it does.You're using a dead socket (1156).
It will also take the i7 series of cpu's, up to 14 TB in HD's and if I run a 64 bit OS, I can install the other 4GB of ram I have sitting safe in my drawer.
So why don't I have it set up that way? Because I don't need that much right now.
It can take Nehalem i7s but not Sandy Bridge i7s.
Not all of us can predict the future ;)
But we can't deny that 1156 has reached the end of the line, now that 1155 is out and another coming soon.LGA1155 won’t have much of a future either. You get a single upgrade generation (to Ivy Bridge), and after that Intel dumps your Cougar Point chipset for Panther Point.
The boot drive will be a SSD. I was thinking 40gb would be enough for a Win 7 64 bit. But a friend was saying get 80GB as Win7 updates take the piss.
Also. HDD slave drive will be a Samsung Spinpoint F3. Either 1TB or two 500GB F3 Raid. Undecided on that.
So when it comes to RAM I need to check for low latency and a bigger heatsink?
Thanks.
I don't see an aftermarket CPU cooler anywhere....are you planning to use the stock heatsink/fan for your CPU? :-\
I'm sorry come again?
I assumed you were going to overclock your 2500k (why else would one get a 2500k?), and I strongly advise against using the heatsink/fan that comes with it
I haven't had any experiences with 1155 boards that your CPU uses, but I have heard about some SATA ports dying down or something over time, so make sure your MB doesn't have that problem. Check reviews and whatnot.
So I made a thread awhile back about buying a pre-built, too many people were bitching about it saying build your own. So you know what? That's exactly what I'm going to do. And I need help.ide personally avoid ocz powersupply, they are the only company ive had have a power supply go bad on me that wasnt my fault.
It will be a i5 2500k build, so put down links or names of items of what do you think would be the best build within that price range.
Thanks you.
Bear in mind.
-Items from the UK websites only please.
-All parts must be compatible with eachother.
-Primary use; Running full 1080p Hd videos and top end gaming. Aswell as photoshop for professional photography.
-2 years at least to last
i5 2500k build.
- £100 Motherboard = Which one?
- £50 Ram (DDR3 4GB) = Which one?
- £200 GPU - ATi preferably 6970 or 6950 = Which one? or anything better in that price range?
- £40 Case - Simple, not bulky, clean looking = Which one?
- £50 -£60 Power supply OCZ? = Which one?
- £40 - £60 Hard Drive. Preferably 1TB 7200rpm. = Which one?
Anything else I need?
Websites
http://www.amazon.co.uk/
http://www.ebuyer.com/
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/
http://www.redstore.com/base/front_page.php
http://store.cbccomputers.com/
http://www.aria.co.uk/
https://www.pricelover.com/
i`m gonna relist of what osmo has in mind right now so it`ll be easy to spell out.
i5-2500K
Mobo: waiting for a Z release. Either Z or P. Mostly likely P.
Asus 2GB HD6970 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-2GB-Radeon-6970-PCI-/dp/B004GV7O6C/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1303963999&sr=1-2)
no case in particular yet
600Watts+ psu (currently searching for a good brand)
SSD with 60 for main drive(currently searching for a good brand) and a 1Tb or 2x500gb(raid) of Samsung Spinpoint F3 for a slave drive
it looks like integrating the memory controller directly into the processor made some huge differences.Welcome to 2003
Well, I was thinking about getting CORSAIR AX850 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139015&). Looks nice, and I need pretty high power draw with liquid cooling, 2 monitors, a beefy graphics card, 5 hdds, etc..
I assumed you were going to overclock your 2500k (why else would one get a 2500k?), and I strongly advise against using the heatsink/fan that comes with it
Win7 64bit took 32gb on me with some other programs sharing the SSD, like EASEUS, MSN, Yahoo, etc. including Virtual memory(i allocated 4gb VM with having 4gb of ram totaling of 8gb)
i`d buy me a ATI HD6950 if i had the money, i`ve always wanted one, seriously wanted one.
I reckon it's around the 20-30GB range with everything installed and setting a ridiculous huge portion of it as a page file. That's 32bit. 64 is probably another 5?
Aftermarket cooler... I believe someone is recommending you upgrade the fans in your comp or consider water cooling.
Ugh.
More crap suggestions.
You're suggesting more unecessary components like the above, the soundcard and NIC. Focus on the primary purpose of his build while considering the budget. While the OP might be willing to shell out money for these components, it would be wiser to spend them on the more important components. It would be better spending those on a better motherboard, more RAM (max it out and I don't think you'll ever need a pagefile for the lifetime of the build), a bigger SSD and/or more HDD storage.
Then it comes to a cpu cooler it's mostly a sound issue. The stock Intel cooler can handle some overclocking, at least of the case airflow is good BUT it will sound like a jetplane. Cooler Master Hyper 212 is an often recommended cooler as it relatively cheap and performs very well.
I already brought the 2500k. :) Just so I can spite myself and pretty my fuck myself over so I have no other choice to get crackin. And in terms of money, it's really not a worry. Only if we are talking about £1000k +. Ofcourse I want to spend as little as possible but I waste money on stupid shit like food, starbucks, cinemas, girlfriend, clubbin... weekly so spending a bit more for quality makes me feel better.
If you want to save some money, go with an i5-2500.
/me listens to the collective gasp.
Odd recommendation, I know, but considering you don't seem to have purchase plans for an aftermarket cooler or heavy overclocking, I'd say most of the money you spend on that 'K' suffix is wasted. You won't be hitting anywhere near the full potential of a K-series Sandy Bridge processor anyway, and you can still overclock up to 4.1GHz with a non-K processor. An i5-2500 won't be your bottleneck for gaming. Give it a good think through. As a bonus, if you're not planning on going Crossfire/SLI in the next 2 years, you can save even more money and go with an H67 motherboard! :D
i`m gonna relist of what osmo has in mind right now so it`ll be easy to spell out.
i5-2500K
Mobo: waiting for a Z release. Either Z or P. Mostly likely P.
Asus 2GB HD6970 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-2GB-Radeon-6970-PCI-/dp/B004GV7O6C/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1303963999&sr=1-2)
no case in particular yet
600Watts+ psu (currently searching for a good brand)
SSD with 60 for main drive(currently searching for a good brand) and a 1Tb or 2x500gb(raid) of Samsung Spinpoint F3 for a slave drive
I'm just referring to the NIC, video card and sound card.Ugh.
More crap suggestions.
You're suggesting more unecessary components like the above, the soundcard and NIC. Focus on the primary purpose of his build while considering the budget. While the OP might be willing to shell out money for these components, it would be wiser to spend them on the more important components. It would be better spending those on a better motherboard, more RAM (max it out and I don't think you'll ever need a pagefile for the lifetime of the build), a bigger SSD and/or more HDD storage.
What's the deal with coolers, heatsinks and fans? Can you explain ?
for the ram, i suggest taking a look at this Corsair 2000MHZ CL9-10-9-27 2x2GB (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CMX4GX3M2B2000C9-DDR3-Desktop-Memory/dp/B004GXR8B6/ref=sr_1_33?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1303800625&sr=1-33). the SNB has the memory multiplier unlocked, picking a high clocked ram would be a good thing.
PS: it says theres one one stock right now and it has a 40% off so Grab the ram now before the sale wears off.
RAM: Corsair CMX4GX3M2B2000C9 8GB DDR3. Is it better for me to buy 2x4gb sicks or 4x2GB sticks?2x4gb, performance wise it won't matter either way but 2x4gb is much easier to upgrade in the future than 4x2gb.
so what i`m asking is how can a raid0 fail? the only things that i could think of is a defective drive or a power loss under writing procedure, which happens on regular single drive as well, or an error with the raid controller, messing up your files, which you should avoid.Accidental disk dropout (happens occasionally with some drives/controllers), power cut without UPS, BSOD during disk write, etc.
ohhh... so you mean one minor error and/or glitch can practically burn your files and maybe the hdd as well into the trashbin...It's not that bad but using 2 drives more than doubles the risk of losing your data. I use raid-0 but I have a bit special setup. 240gb Vertex 3 SSD for boot drive. 2tb Samsung eco drive for normal storage (with a 2tb external for back up) and finally 3x750gb in raid-0 for torrent downloads. 99% is bakabt torrents so even if one of those drives would die I can still get all that data again from bakabt. There things like raid-5 for better safety but unless you have a real dedicated raid controller (which by itself costs more than a good SSD) performance is not going to be as good as you might think. Read performance is often ok but write can often be worse than a single drive.
why cant they just replicate the brain for devices? the brain is like a huge 3in1 processor that stores memories(aka video files with a wicked resolution and bitrate that lengths to years, audio files too), processes both logical and illogical formulas(emotions) and functions as the main control of the body.Do you completely understand to the lowest level how the brain works? How it processes data and comes out with decisions? No. Neither do scientists.
CPU: i5-2500k (bought)
Motherboard: P67. Can someone pick out a good P67 for me? this is the part that I'm still unsure of thanks. again £100-£120
RAM: Corsair CMX4GX3M2B2000C9 8GB DDR3. Is it better for me to buy 2x4gb sicks or 4x2GB sticks?
GPU: Asus 2GB ATi Radeon 6970
Memory: 64GB SSD Boot Drive. 500GB x2 Spinpoint F3 Slave Drive Raid.
PSU: Corsair TX750 V2 PSU
CASE: Undecided.
Do you completely understand to the lowest level how the brain works? How it processes data and comes out with decisions? No. Neither do scientists.
thanks for your posts on my thread, very helpful, I know you already picked out a board for me but I wanted to see if you could pick something better, spare a little of your time please.http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-169-MS Specs are similar to my earlier recommendation but with more peripheral connectors (2x each of esata, usb3 and 1394)
Best for 2500k, crossfire, £100 -£120. Thanks....if you need help on which websites check out the first post. thanks again.
well anyway check P67 Mobo Chart - overclock.net (http://www.overclock.net/intel-motherboards/916189-official-intel-p67-sandy-bridge-motherboard.html), might give you some idea./me facepalms
PS: grab the ones that are marked "Quad" under SLI/CF, they're the only ones that support a full 16x-16x for dual cards.
thanks for your posts on my thread, very helpful, I know you already picked out a board for me but I wanted to see if you could pick something better, spare a little of your time please.http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-169-MS Specs are similar to my earlier recommendation but with more peripheral connectors (2x each of esata, usb3 and 1394)
Best for 2500k, crossfire, £100 -£120. Thanks....if you need help on which websites check out the first post. thanks again.
You'll have to be creative to be able to use the 4 SATA II sockets with two cards.hmm, interesting point.
^gigabyte ud4 is fairly decent. I.ve played around with one running xfire 5970 and 2500k @ 4.5ghz. I.ve also had the chance to test the asrock extreme4, another solid board. And from asus camp the sabertooth is another excellent performer that i had a go with.
Xfire support, don't mind the form factor.
Sorry been busy these past couple of days.
I am not buying any more parts until I get the mobo sorted. And I'm too lazy when it comes to the mobo :( :)
Personally I doubt Intel will be able to make a similar performance jump with ivybridge as they did with sandybridge.
(http://pic.xfastest.com/wingphoenix/MB/ASROCK/Z68EX4/Z68-EX4-13.jpg)
this one's an Asrock, and it looks beautiful 8)
Uh no, this is still going to be the same architecture as sandybridge, it will only run at a little higher clockspeed and a bit cooler. There are nothing magic about it, for that we will have to wait for the for the one after ivybridge.Personally I doubt Intel will be able to make a similar performance jump with ivybridge as they did with sandybridge.
Are you kidding me? (http://forums.bakabt.me/index.php?topic=30009.0)
Uh no, this is still going to be the same architecture as sandybridge, it will only run at a little higher clockspeed and a bit cooler. There are nothing magic about it, for that we will have to wait for the for the one after ivybridge.
Uh no, this is still going to be the same architecture as sandybridge, it will only run at a little higher clockspeed and a bit cooler. There are nothing magic about it, for that we will have to wait for the for the one after ivybridge.The tri-gate transistors being used lower transistor gate delay from the 32nm planar gates by between 18–37% (between the range of 1.0–0.7V), according to Intel’s conference slides. We can already expect a performance boost from this alone, although I won’t make any guesses as to whether this will match the Bloomfield—>SandyBridge performance gap.
No did you? There are no architecture change with ivybridge. It will have the exact same performance per clock as sandybridge. Now those 3d transistors will most likely allow higher clockspeed and/or run cooler just as I said above and that's not bad but but it's not a huge performance increase by itself. It's an important technology for the future but just changing sandybridge to use 3d transistors is not a big thing.Uh no, this is still going to be the same architecture as sandybridge, it will only run at a little higher clockspeed and a bit cooler. There are nothing magic about it, for that we will have to wait for the for the one after ivybridge.
Hmm, did you miss the link?
Edit: they should invent CloudThreading, something like HyperThreading on steroids, it works like the true core hosting a multiplying hyperthread upon request, if an application request another slot of cloudthread then it`ll add another cloudthread with a certain limit of course. this`ll make multi-core step another stage, you`d see quad act like 20cores or so. tho theres two requirements to accomplish this, 1st is the processor to support the theory and 2nd is for an OS that could trigger the request and another thing, the option to instruct the OS to open another cloudthread for a different application, meaning, each application would run on their own cloudthread.You do not understand how hyperthreading works, how it is implemented, or any of its drawbacks
You do not understand how hyperthreading works, how it is implemented, or any of its drawbacks
Fap* Fap* Fap*The gigabyte UD4 would get my vote out of the 3
Alright I have quickly narrowed down three boards reccomended, which one is the best? (forget the price for a second)
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3648#ov
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-446-AS&tool=5
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-169-MS
Can't wait to buy my GPU and get naked with it.
All those are decent mid end mobos that can handle moderate clocks.He's going to end up not using most of the features and it becomes a waste of money. But looks like he wants something mid end so i've recommended mid end mobos for him even though it doesnt suit his needs.
Although having said all that i recommend you getting a low end board
instead. Something like an asrock pro or a gigabyte ud3.
i found my core2duo stock HSF, when i looked at it i saw a "Foxconn" writing on it, does intel use foxconn HSF? i`d say EWW.You'll be suprised with how much stuff foxconn does in the background. Another example would be the io of your mobo, most of the time its foxconn that does it for almost everybody.
i do know the basic principle on how hyperthreading works, it works via making a virtual core that inserts threads on idle pipelines on a real core.no, you don't have any idea. I suggest you read more about hyperthreading.
so what i meant by that cloudthreading is that it should support deactivating a virtual core if its not in use, and reactivating it upon application request, in addition to that, if the real core still has open pipelines then another virtual core can be hosted upon application request. if i`d give an example, that would be running an application that can utilize 4cores at once on a single-core, it wouldnt give it an actual 4x performance boost but about 25% increase performance more or less per virtual core it uses. with this type of hyperthreading, a single-core processor can be made use on both multi threading and single threading more efficiently.
Edit: i found my old junkbox for spare parts in the attic a few hours ago and found some other stuffs, a weird one is that, i found my core2duo stock HSF, when i looked at it i saw a "Foxconn" writing on it, does intel use foxconn HSF? i`d say EWW.Foxconn does the dirty work for alot companies.
i do know the basic principle on how hyperthreading works, it works via making a virtual core that inserts threads on idle pipelines on a real core.That’s a very simplified mental model of hyperthreading, and with that kind of understanding, it is no wonder you’d come up with a suggestion like this.
Still busy atm but it's a toss between.Both are just as good for you, the sabertooth is obviously nicer.
Sabretooth vs gigabyte UD4
thanks for explaining it in detail, wiki lacks and my book is old...Try actually designing a processor, and you’d abandon that idea quickly. You’re trying to make a super “single-core” (and maybe add multiple numbers of them to make multi-core processors); the problem is that you have very broken ideas of processor power consumption and computational power, and even if you did manage to create such a processor, the results are going to be far more disappointing than you imagined (I would suspect much lower throughput than you like). If it was such a feasible idea, Intel would have refined the Pentium 4 instead of backtracking to the P6 architecture with Conroe.
i mentioned on my earlier post(the one with a blur explanation) that there are still limits, true you`d have to optimize everything to accommodate the "dynamic scaling of logical thread count"(too long of a name...) but it doesnt mean that it`s usefulness would be limited, running a multi-threaded application one one core would be slower than running the multi-threaded application on more than one core too.
In 2010, ARM has stated that it will include simultaneous multithreading in its chips in the future.
ARM plans to add multi-threading capabilities to future architectures as it tries to boost the performance of its processors, a company representative said on Tuesday. The company is looking to include multi-threading capabilities depending on application requirements in different segments, said Kumaran Siva, segment marketing manager at Arm, at the Linley Tech Processor conference in San José, Californiai wonder what kind of multithreading... meh... ARM is having a few more improvements =D
CPU: i5-2500k (bought)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-P67A-UD4 (http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3648#ov) -~- shop (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-325-GI&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=1906)
Asus - SABERTOOTH P67 (http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/SABERTOOTH_P67/) -~- shop (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-449-AS&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=1906)
RAM: 2x4GB (looking for a decent brand)
GPU: Asus 2GB ATi Radeon 6970
Memory: 64GB SSD Boot Drive. 500GB x2 Spinpoint F3 Slave Drive Raid.
PSU: Corsair TX750 V2 PSU
CASE: Undecided.
the bolded statement is fucking retarded.So I made a thread awhile back about buying a pre-built, too many people were bitching about it saying build your own. So you know what? That's exactly what I'm going to do. And I need help.
It will be a i5 2500k build, so put down links or names of items of what do you think would be the best build within that price range.
Thanks you.
Bear in mind.
-Items from the UK websites only please.
-All parts must be compatible with eachother.
-Primary use; Running full 1080p Hd videos and top end gaming. Aswell as photoshop for professional photography.
-2 years at least to last
i5 2500k build.
- £100 Motherboard = Which one?
- £50 Ram (DDR3 4GB) = Which one?
- £200 GPU - ATi preferably 6970 or 6950 = Which one? or anything better in that price range?
- £40 Case - Simple, not bulky, clean looking = Which one?
- £50 -£60 Power supply OCZ? = Which one?
- £40 - £60 Hard Drive. Preferably 1TB 7200rpm. = Which one?
Code: [Select]Operating System
MS Windows XP Home 32-bit SP3
CPU
Intel Core i5 750 @ 2.67GHz 45 °C
Lynnfield 45nm Technology
RAM
4.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 666MHz (9-9-9-24)
Motherboard
Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. P55A-UD4 (Socket 1156)
Graphics
ASUS VW266H @ 1920x1200
ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series
Hard Drives
977GB SAMSUNG SAMSUNG HD103SJ (SATA) 31 °C
977GB Western Digital WDC WD10EARS-00Y5B1 (SATA) 30 °C
488GB Western Digital WDC WD5000AADS-00S9B0 (SATA) 34 °C
Optical Drives
BENQ DVD DC DW240S
KBS UF8TER8 SCSI CdRom Device
Audio
ATI Function Driver for High Definition Audio - ATI AA01
Ok, that is what I have. It does exactly what you are looking for, and it is STABLE, no hardware problems at all.
I don't know which parts would be available from the websites you listed, but most of them should be.
As far as the PSU is concerned, get the biggest one you can afford.
There is no such thing as having too much power, but not having enough for your needs can be a serious pain in the backside.
CPU: i5-2500k (bought)
Motherboard: Asus - SABERTOOTH P67 (http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/SABERTOOTH_P67/) (bought)
RAM: 2x4GB (looking for a decent brand)
GPU: Asus 2GB ATi Radeon 6970
Memory: 64GB SSD Boot Drive. 500GB x2 Spinpoint F3 Slave Drive Raid.
PSU: Corsair TX750 V2 PSU
CASE: Undecided.
CPU: i5-2500k (bought)
Motherboard: Asus - SABERTOOTH P67 (http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/SABERTOOTH_P67/) (bought)
RAM: 2x4GB (looking for a decent brand)
GPU: Asus 2GB ATi Radeon 6970
Memory: 64GB SSD Boot Drive. 500GB x2 Spinpoint F3 Slave Drive Raid.
PSU: Corsair TX750 V2 PSU
CASE: Undecided.
thats the ram i first linked on my first post on this thread... meh... destiny?
the problem with going that way is that you`d only be able to reach up to 8gb of ram while as going 4gb sticks can get you 16gb but not like it matters as 8gb is pretty big already.
CPU: i5-2500k (bought)
Motherboard: Asus - SABERTOOTH P67 (http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/SABERTOOTH_P67/) (bought)
RAM: Corsair CMX4GX3M2B2000C9 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 Desktop Memory [£52.00] (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CMX4GX3M2B2000C9-DDR3-Desktop-Memory/dp/B004GXR8B6/ref=sr_1_33?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1303800625&sr=1-33) -VS- Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 8GB 1600MHz CL9 DDR3 Vengeance Memory Two Module Kit [£70.09] (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9-1600MHz-Vengeance-Memory/dp/tech-data/B004CRSM4I/ref=de_a_smtd)
GPU: Asus 2GB ATi Radeon 6970
Memory: 64GB SSD Boot Drive. 500GB x2 Spinpoint F3 Slave Drive Raid.
PSU: Corsair TX750 V2 PSU
CASE: Undecided.
I consider a thousand dollar rig a middle range computer not high end at all. When I built my computer a year and a half ago I sunk about 1500 -1600 once all was said and done which is still mid range. I spent well over a 130 on a good mouse and keyboard. I know quality I will spend $ where it is justified that 20-30 us dollar difference could be used on a video card, more ram or a higher quality power supply. Spending the cash on a ssd 40- 64 gig ssd is good enough the price performance is not there on the 150 dollar plus ones meant fore real high end builds.ummmm nice to hear that, you spent 130 on io, congrats. i'm guessing its the u3011? unless he's doing some sort of professional photography work that 10bit panel is wasted.
I just built a 3400 dollar rig for a client the budget for the SSDs and hard drives was 600-700 bucks alone, he got a 30 inch IPS monitor worth as much as that whole set up he is planning that is high end.
water cooling, nuff said, compact and makes you OC like a madman on drugs.(ok i`m stretching it waaaay too far this time)
if you`d look at his option, that 1000$ PC was just for the core of the PC to begin with. and you`d call an i5 2500k + HD6970(later to be XCF) a mid-end gaming pc? i sure hope i misread that.
Well yah what you can get for a grand these days are amazing an i2500k and an Hd6970 will eat any game on the market at a reasonable, but still a thousand on the tower is still mid range to me. High end is needing enough graphics power to run beyond 1080p at 60 fps, that term is reserved for computers running 2560 x 1440 and 2560 x 1600 monitors. Now high end is starting to slide to muti monitor and 3d gaming which seems like extreme overkill with eyefinity and the like but that is high end.
CPU: i5-2500k (bought)
Motherboard: Asus - SABERTOOTH P67 (http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/SABERTOOTH_P67/) (bought)
RAM: Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C8 8GB 1600MHz CL8 DDR3 Vengeance Memory Two Module Kit [£84.29] (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CMZ8GX3M2A1600C8-1600MHz-Vengeance-Memory/dp/B004E0ZKOI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1305246188&sr=1-2) -VS- Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 8GB 1600MHz CL9 DDR3 Vengeance Memory Two Module Kit [£70.09] (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9-1600MHz-Vengeance-Memory/dp/tech-data/B004CRSM4I/ref=de_a_smtd)
GPU: Asus 2GB ATi Radeon 6970(later to be XCF)
Memory: 64GB SSD Boot Drive. 500GB x2 Spinpoint F3 Slave Drive Raid.
PSU: Corsair TX750 V2 PSU
CASE: Undecided.
Well yah what you can get for a grand these days are amazing an i2500k and an Hd6970 will eat any game on the market at a reasonable resolution like 1680 x 1050, but still a thousand on the tower is still mid range to me. High end is needing enough graphics power to run beyond 1080p at 60 fps, that term is reserved for computers running 2560 x 1440 and 2560 x 1600 monitors. Now high end is starting to slide to multi-monitor and 3d gaming which seems like extreme overkill but that is high end.wtf, high end is usually at 1920, and the 6970 has more than enough juice for ANY game at 1920.
I ain't gona lie I'm feeling a bit paranoid about the vendors list. I got the list up. And I'm spoilt for choice. I just want a corsair and I wish there was one but there's loads. Which IS the best one or which ONES are good? :) Damn I'm lazy. But I just want to build my pc :(((
(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd113/Presence_/ram.jpg)
Well yah what you can get for a grand these days are amazing an i2500k and an Hd6970 will eat any game on the market at a reasonable, but still a thousand on the tower is still mid range to me. High end is needing enough graphics power to run beyond 1080p at 60 fps, that term is reserved for computers running 2560 x 1440 and 2560 x 1600 monitors. Now high end is starting to slide to muti monitor and 3d gaming which seems like extreme overkill with eyefinity and the like but that is high end.
Lone wolf I like what you did with the 40GB but I'm gona go with the 64 gb or 80 gb. Also can I run 1080p at 60fps with my setup? And what are the benefits of running it higher then that?
I personally recommend for a monitor the new Samsungs that are 27inch and 1080p you can find them for about 300 in the states. I do not know how much that would cost you or if you already have a 1080 monitor.
Also there really is not a major benefits besides bragging rights anything over upper mid range is just because you can. If you balance you components right you will enjoy your computer no matter what. Because if you can run all settings on high setting in a game at 1680 x 1050 your getting all the eye candy that a guy on a 2560 x 1600 rig sees. Either way so balance is key in any build on any budget.
Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C8 8GB 1600MHz CL8 DDR3 Vengeance Memory Two Module Kit [£84.29] (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CMZ8GX3M2A1600C8-1600MHz-Vengeance-Memory/dp/B004E0ZKOI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1305246188&sr=1-2) looks good, vendor list showed it supports 4dimms
In terms of monitor you were discussing something high-end for your client? would like that.Be careful when your getting a 27" thats only at 1080p. Depending on how sensitive your eyes are or how far back you sit from your monitor you might find the pixel density isnt high enough. I myself find that 1080p on a 24" isnt suitable for me so I went with a 23" instead. And for my 27" i went with a 2560x1440 monitor (u2711), so remember that size doesnt equal higher quality.
But I will get a 26-27inch Samsung, LCD/LED. 100Hz/200Hz. Full 1080p.
Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C8 8GB 1600MHz CL8 DDR3 Vengeance Memory Two Module Kit [£84.29][/url] the vendor list is stupid enough to not include 2x4gb kits.
If you're not gonna put in Windows 7, mind as well don't bother continue building the rig.
ATI GPUs fail to render StageVideo on Linux platforms (2835389)from adobe Flash Player 10.3 update. i got an update just a while ago and read the release notes.
When using Firefox 4 on Ubuntu Operating System, videos at new.music.yahoo.com fail to play (2840163)
so what are you saying? go with linux? that hates games more than windows? doubt that`ll work.
Disk Drive: Samsung?
CPU: i5-2500k ✔
Motherboard: Asus - SABERTOOTH P67 ✔
RAM: Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C8 8GB 1600MHz CL8 DDR3 Vengeance Memory Two Module Kit [£84.29] ✔
GPU: Asus 2GB ATi Radeon 6970 ✔
BootDrive: OCZ 120GB SSD Vertex 3✔
Storage Drive: 1TB Spinpoint F3✔
PSU: OCZ Fata1ity 750w semi moduler✔
OS: Windows 7 64 bit OEM
CD/DVD read|write & Blue-Ray?: Samsung?
CASE: Undecided.
If I would buy a case today I would get a Corsair Obsidian 650D (and try to get a spare side without a window). But it's a bit outside what you had budgeted for your case.
... its seriously hilarious.
... its seriously hilarious.
Oxymoron Day, anyone?
... its seriously hilarious.
Oxymoron Day, anyone?