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Title: What am I missing when my tablet doesn't support Adobe Flash?
Post by: Roven on August 27, 2012, 10:44:23 AM
The Google Nexus 7 in many ways is the perfect tablet for me. Then I heard it wont support Adobe Flash which is weird cause I always thought Android always had it with other tablets.

My most concern is how is it gonna effect browsing the internet, but if there's anything else, I would like to know about it.
Title: Re: What am I missing when my tablet doesn't support Adobe Flash?
Post by: lapa321 on August 27, 2012, 11:07:39 AM
Froyo, Gingerbread, Honeycomb, ICS, all have flash support on the default browsers, but they stopped on Jellybean. Adobe decided to concentrate on flash apps instead.

Really sucks because it's much easier to make a dynamic media website in flash than HTML5.
Title: Re: What am I missing when my tablet doesn't support Adobe Flash?
Post by: Saras on August 27, 2012, 11:08:36 AM
Adobe retracted flash support for version 4.1+
Title: Re: What am I missing when my tablet doesn't support Adobe Flash?
Post by: lapa321 on August 28, 2012, 04:55:45 AM
Well, i was browsing one of the forums i go to and suddenly got a notification that i have reached my bandwidth limit.

When i got home and checked the site, i found that they've switched over from flash to bitmap ads. I've worked for an ad company before and know that bitmaps use more bandwidth than swf's. We actually redraw bitmaps from clients into flash even for stationary ads to shrink the file size, a 200kb JPG can be shrunk to a 20kb swf with no artifacting. The new ads are GIF!!! WHAT THE HECK DO THEY THINK THEY'RE DOING???
Title: Re: What am I missing when my tablet doesn't support Adobe Flash?
Post by: Southrop on August 28, 2012, 06:27:01 AM
The world is shifting to HTML5 now. Flash is old, insecure and less useful now (although admittedly, a lot of websites are still heavily reliant on Flash).
Title: Re: What am I missing when my tablet doesn't support Adobe Flash?
Post by: Roven on August 28, 2012, 06:58:19 AM
(although admittedly, a lot of websites are still heavily reliant on Flash).
Any popular sites come to mind?
Title: Re: What am I missing when my tablet doesn't support Adobe Flash?
Post by: Slysoft on August 28, 2012, 07:10:05 AM
youtube
Title: Re: What am I missing when my tablet doesn't support Adobe Flash?
Post by: Southrop on August 28, 2012, 07:22:19 AM
youtube
That has an HTML5 video player already.

(although admittedly, a lot of websites are still heavily reliant on Flash).
Any popular sites come to mind?
The only one that I can think of that I use regularly is Tenhou. But hey, that's a mahjong website. It uses Flash for a reason.
Title: Re: What am I missing when my tablet doesn't support Adobe Flash?
Post by: lapa321 on August 28, 2012, 08:08:39 AM
The world is shifting to HTML5 now. Flash is old, insecure and less useful now (although admittedly, a lot of websites are still heavily reliant on Flash).

Have you tried making a media site in html5? When i converted a flash site into HTML5, i had to either make a conditional for each function or make an entirely different website for each browser since each browser renders screen objects and javascript differently. Even then i had to remove a lot of content since they were just too impractical to do in html5. The html5 site i thought worked perfectly on Firefox, bombed on IE, fixed that on IE, it crashed on Safari. Client said he wanted it on iPad, loaded it on iPad, it crashed. Fixed on iPad. Each time, i had to add a different code path for each browser.

The flash site i made for a client years ago, long before touchscreens came about, worked on a froyo tablet, animations, transitions, special effects, all worked. The only issue was that the buttons were too small for fingers.

The worst affected right now are the ads. Here's an example of what i used to do to a flash ad when i was working for an ad company. Someone kept insisting that flash takes up a ton of bandwidth, so i took the banner that was on top of the forum, and did what i used to do to them.

http://codetest.freehostia.com/html/td.html

Note:I don't have an extensive font library, we had a pc in the corner dedicated to nothing but fonts. So i had to use alternatives for this example. Still you can see the pixelation scattered around the JPG.

To do an animation in flash, like making an icon pop or bounce around, doesn't add anything to the filesize. The new ads are GIF. The ones i'm coming across now are as much as 80kb for a simple two frame animation. Ads don't get added to your cache and really sucks up the bandwidth when you're browsing a forum especially when you're on a tethering plan.
Title: Re: What am I missing when my tablet doesn't support Adobe Flash?
Post by: Southrop on August 28, 2012, 10:50:29 PM
I don't recall ever saying anything about HTML5 being easy or simple. But you can't deny that it is becoming more widely used now. Because HTML5 supports a ton of graphical and multimedia functions, it is entirely possible to make websites with multimedia content that doesn't have to rely on Flash. And that's what I'm getting at.