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Title: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: Engr.Alvin on February 27, 2014, 09:40:29 AM
Do your device(PC/notebook) have optical drives?

my ultrabook instead of  optical drive they use the space for dual storage (SSD+HDD) and additional usb ports and bigger graphics card...

before i don't appreciate this but sooner i saw their point.

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Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: Saras on February 27, 2014, 10:00:42 AM
My notebook had an ODD, but I manually exchanged it for a HDD bay. I've no use for optical media whatsoever. However, there is still a point to it. It's cheap, cheap as chips. If you need to give someone a movie or like that, you do it on a disc. Thumb drives are still too expensive for that.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: TiYlER on February 27, 2014, 10:07:50 AM
My notebook had an ODD, but I manually exchanged it for a HDD bay. I've no use for optical media whatsoever. However, there is still a point to it. It's cheap, cheap as chips. If you need to give someone a movie or like that, you do it on a disc. Thumb drives are still too expensive for that.
But you could always have the friend return the thumb drive once he's put it on his drive.
I remember when my first 1GB flash drive was $10. Now I can get 8GB for $8.

The only thing I use my optical drive for is driver installation.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: chiefkeef300 on February 27, 2014, 10:41:23 AM
I've old notebook ... like 2007, so there is DVD bay, but I'm rarely using that (it's possible to swap for hdd/sdd ... but that would cost more than ntb itself  ;D). Who does using optical medias anyway?(would like to see some numbers from music / film / game industry).
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: Mcgreag on February 27, 2014, 11:06:47 AM
My laptop does not have an optical drive.
My desktop do and I expect keep one next time I upgrade it as well, the main reason being that I got a collection of games that I am feeling fairly nostalic about and while some have become available as digital download lately there are still a bunch that haven't. Games like Freelancer, Far West, Grandia 2 and Warhammer Chaos Gate. I also have a small music CD collection where while I have ripped most of them I still want to keep the ability to do a new rip in the future.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: Saras on February 27, 2014, 11:09:44 AM
My notebook had an ODD, but I manually exchanged it for a HDD bay. I've no use for optical media whatsoever. However, there is still a point to it. It's cheap, cheap as chips. If you need to give someone a movie or like that, you do it on a disc. Thumb drives are still too expensive for that.
But you could always have the friend return the thumb drive once he's put it on his drive.
I remember when my first 1GB flash drive was $10. Now I can get 8GB for $8.

The only thing I use my optical drive for is driver installation.

Yes, but if you need to ship out 300 copies of something... with there being no chances of seeing them again~
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: lapa321 on February 27, 2014, 11:39:00 AM
My notebook had an ODD, but I manually exchanged it for a HDD bay. I've no use for optical media whatsoever. However, there is still a point to it. It's cheap, cheap as chips. If you need to give someone a movie or like that, you do it on a disc. Thumb drives are still too expensive for that.

Don't you guys already carry thumbdrives and/or memory cards with you anyway? Or atleast a cellphone?
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: Tiffanys on February 27, 2014, 11:45:11 AM
If you don't have an optical drive how are you going to install Windows? Or watch a bluray? Or burn one for that matter...

Though I will say that I haven't bothered buying any floppy dicks drives for my past 2 builds.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: Mistgun_Zero on February 27, 2014, 11:58:13 AM
^Install windows using flash drive? In any case, I haven't used them cd/dvd for last two years or so and can't really see using them again.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: mianghuei on February 27, 2014, 12:13:28 PM
If you don't have an optical drive how are you going to install Windows? Or watch a bluray? Or burn one for that matter...

Though I will say that I haven't bothered buying any floppy dicks drives for my past 2 builds.

You do know you can create an Pendrive installer using Windows 7 USB DVD tool?
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: kureshii on February 27, 2014, 12:45:07 PM
If you don't have an optical drive how are you going to install Windows? Or watch a bluray? Or burn one for that matter...

1) http://lifehacker.com/5840252/install-windows-8-from-a-usb-stick
2) BDMV folder, or raw m2ts
3) Why would you need to? There are many other ways of getting a video stream to a TV.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: kitamesume on February 27, 2014, 12:45:25 PM
dvd disc is roughly 4cents per GB which still makes it the cheapest storage.
a 100pack dvd disc is commonly found at $20, which puts it at 20cents per disc (4.7GB).

in a sense its also a disposable storage, and easily a cheaper giveaway item than a thumbdrive by far.

on the other hand its also the hardest to store and also the shortest lived shelf-life amongst common storage media.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: buchno on February 27, 2014, 01:32:25 PM
I've only used my DVD drive to rip music CDs for the last couple of years.

Though I will say that I haven't bothered buying any floppy dicks drives for my past 2 builds.
I can't tell if you're actually being serious...
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: Tiffanys on February 27, 2014, 01:55:19 PM
After being quoted for the 3rd time only now do I actually realize I wrote "floppy dicks drives" instead of "floppy disk drives".... lol wow.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: vuzedome on February 27, 2014, 03:02:42 PM
Still like to keep them around.
It's the nostalgic feeling you get when you slide them in or put them on the tray before insertion.
I still buy CDs by the way.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: halfelite on February 27, 2014, 06:11:14 PM
From home usage I do not need an ODD but from business standpoint its still needed. Not all software comes in a downloadable package. So at least one machine still needs one then just do disc copy to network storage.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: TiYlER on February 27, 2014, 07:06:49 PM
Yes, but if you need to ship out 300 copies of something... with there being no chances of seeing them again~
Online distribution. $0 in manufacturing costs :D
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: bloody000 on February 27, 2014, 07:35:33 PM
Hard drives are too delicate and flash memory chips will loose charge and therefore data if left sitting for years. But good quality optical discs will out last both HDD and flash media.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: D4oS on February 27, 2014, 07:42:26 PM
5 years ago I bought several DVDs to backup some movies, they're still packed xD My mobo has only 2 SATA ports and my USB doesn't work properly since 2010, so I got my external drive connected to it and there's no space for DVD, but there's no need too. I remember that writing worked about 75% of the time properly, but 25% of disks had to be thrown out, also, when making backup, I'd totally do it twice since I remember CDs/DVDs as something that could get scratched anytime, so it wouldn't be so cheap too, and the speed sucks also. My first USB memory paid off really quick since I didn't have to bother with disks anymore :D

I'm all for one big storage shared wirelessly in the entire house, when someone wants something from me, they just take external HDD/their laptop with them, because it's faster to download small amounts of data from Internet, and big amounts of data don't fit anywhere else  unless you take a lot of USBs/CDs/DVDs, so it's best to use Wi-Fi/USB/Ethernet. I don't know any blu-ray drive owner and sure as hell don't intend to use it too.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: jinhong91 on February 27, 2014, 08:18:53 PM
A reason why DVDs are not obsolete is because not everyone has good connection for cloud and DVDs can last decently enough.
Plus they are cheap and you can make multiple copies of them. Also, nostalgia.

CDs however are obsolete. Use them as Frisbee or something.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: Honemi on February 27, 2014, 08:42:04 PM
CDs are still the best medium for music, though. Well, the are the most widely supported of the better audio solutions. Get some M-Disc (http://www.mdisc.com/) CDs and keep your music forever.

DVDs are the obsolete ones. Only thing keeping them around is inertia and the slow adoption of BD. Can't wait 'til BDXL is ubiquitous.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: megido-rev.M on February 28, 2014, 03:03:27 AM
Indeed. Physical releases for music is still going to be as CDs for a long time.
Video releases though will shift from DVD to BD entirely eventually.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: Zalis116 on March 12, 2014, 06:28:15 AM
I wouldn't say that. Not as long as external hard drives keep failing or acting weird on me, anyway. Since 2005, I've had two external HDDs outright fail (~500 GB of data) and two act up to the point where they still work, but I fear for the data (~2.75 TB total). I can't recall any time I've tried and failed to retrieve data from a burned DVD. Now I just need to acquire, burn and store a lot more DVDs to make up for a few years of downloading, trusting HDDs, and not burning.

And both my laptop and desktop have DVD drives -- they serve for playing and installing old games, watching or taking screenshots from retail DVDs, and ripping DVDs should the need arise.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: zherok on March 12, 2014, 09:44:03 PM
My newest laptop doesn't have one. But I rarely use the one my desktop has. It's nice to have, but I won't really miss it when they're gone, I suspect.

I've got a decent movie collection I brought up to college with me, but there it sits in my closet. The amount of stuff I can watch off harddrives or streamed makes the boxes of DVDs feel antiquated. It's kinda nice to need less space devoted to "stuff," especially as I'm considering going abroad next year.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: Shohei-kun on March 13, 2014, 03:43:17 AM
I occasionally use my DVD drive, but ultimately it is pointless if you don't rip media directly from the source. You can buy an external reader for like 15 bucks too.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: Krudda on March 13, 2014, 11:08:51 PM
dvd disc is roughly 4cents per GB which still makes it the cheapest storage.
a 100pack dvd disc is commonly found at $20, which puts it at 20cents per disc (4.7GB).

in a sense its also a disposable storage, and easily a cheaper giveaway item than a thumbdrive by far.

on the other hand its also the hardest to store and also the shortest lived shelf-life amongst common storage media.

On that note, at 2.8cents per GB, Blu-ray is cheaper
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: kitamesume on March 13, 2014, 11:09:49 PM
the burner isn't cheap though :P
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: Krudda on March 13, 2014, 11:14:01 PM
the burner isn't cheap though :P
uh, what? I got myself a BDXL 20x super multi all format reader/burner for $100AU
That is not on sale either, that's full price.
Burns and reads everything except HD-DVD

At the time I bought it, DVD burners were 1/5 the price, I guess..
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: megido-rev.M on March 14, 2014, 12:56:26 AM
My DVD drive was ~$20, which also has multi.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: kitamesume on March 14, 2014, 11:40:41 AM
well its a trade, cheaper burner but more expensive $/gb, or a more expensive burner for a cheaper long-run.

in any case though i doubt bluerays would best with how dvd's cheapness in per disc prices any time soon, its not like 4.7GB is lacking either.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: marinosgr on March 14, 2014, 03:17:19 PM
I recently read an article about a 300GB DVD made by Sony and one other company which would make for a very comfortable replacement.I don't know the price of it yet but it will give a new push to the DVD market as I'm at least sure it will be a lot cheaper...

About CD's well their use as storage devices are obsolete but still millions are sold through music record companies along with the internet versions of course.They still sell a lot but in the next years(not sure how many it would take) the music industry will propably focus a lot more on the web versions?Or the'll try something new?Not really sure how it'll go with them...
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: kitamesume on March 14, 2014, 03:49:06 PM
you mean the one in the tech thread? they aren't for sale to consumers apparently.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: marinosgr on March 14, 2014, 03:55:33 PM
No?Pity...I don't remember such a detail.I read it on IGN a few days ago.Well it's only logical since sony sells HDD's...
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: kitamesume on March 14, 2014, 04:13:54 PM
this one

Sony unveils next generation of “Archival” 300GB-1TB Blu-ray discs (http://www.vg247.com/2014/03/10/sony-unveils-next-generation-of-archival-300gb-1tb-blu-ray-discs/)
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-announces-next-gen-blu-ray-disc-can-store-up-to-1tb-of-data/1100-6418200/
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[UPDATE] A Panasonic representative has clarified that the Archival Disc is specifically intended for professional purposes, not general consumer use.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: marinosgr on March 14, 2014, 05:38:05 PM
Thanks.I had this feeling that there was going to be a catch about it and here it is...
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: Krudda on March 14, 2014, 06:48:04 PM
Didn't click link yet, but is that just a double sided BDXL?
If it is, from what I heard there's nothing preventing general consumers purchasing them, instead they are 'intended' for archival and not general use. Especially since they're write once.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: ConsiderPhlebas on March 14, 2014, 07:51:58 PM
This old geek is still archiving anime on DVD and manga on CD  :laugh:

Box after box after box...
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: Tanis on March 14, 2014, 07:59:04 PM
I still use them.

It doesn't hurt to burn info to discs, instead of JUST a HDD.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: kitamesume on March 14, 2014, 07:59:52 PM
Didn't click link yet, but is that just a double sided BDXL?
If it is, from what I heard there's nothing preventing general consumers purchasing them, instead they are 'intended' for archival and not general use. Especially since they're write once.
no it isn't BDXL, available BDXL only amounts to 100GB/128GB sizes.

edit: and it also needs a different type of BD reader/burner too.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: Yurie on March 16, 2014, 11:18:00 AM
I wouldn't say that. Not as long as external hard drives keep failing or acting weird on me, anyway. Since 2005, I've had two external HDDs outright fail (~500 GB of data) and two act up to the point where they still work, but I fear for the data (~2.75 TB total). I can't recall any time I've tried and failed to retrieve data from a burned DVD. Now I just need to acquire, burn and store a lot more DVDs to make up for a few years of downloading, trusting HDDs, and not burning.

And both my laptop and desktop have DVD drives -- they serve for playing and installing old games, watching or taking screenshots from retail DVDs, and ripping DVDs should the need arise.

Considered a NAS with one of the higher RAIDs? Though that runs out of space as well, doubt you would get much more than 20 TB on a home version.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: kitamesume on March 16, 2014, 11:37:52 AM
I wouldn't say that. Not as long as external hard drives keep failing or acting weird on me, anyway. Since 2005, I've had two external HDDs outright fail (~500 GB of data) and two act up to the point where they still work, but I fear for the data (~2.75 TB total). I can't recall any time I've tried and failed to retrieve data from a burned DVD. Now I just need to acquire, burn and store a lot more DVDs to make up for a few years of downloading, trusting HDDs, and not burning.

And both my laptop and desktop have DVD drives -- they serve for playing and installing old games, watching or taking screenshots from retail DVDs, and ripping DVDs should the need arise.

Considered a NAS with one of the higher RAIDs? Though that runs out of space as well, doubt you would get much more than 20 TB on a home version.
building one would be cheaper, and you can stack as much 4TB harddrives your case can manage.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: Mistgun_Zero on March 16, 2014, 02:45:33 PM
I have had DVD fail me more than hdd. Well with archival disc coming out I will probably acquire once they are available and at least archive older, especially licensed animes that I like on them. Then move on to stuff hard to acquire.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: kitamesume on March 16, 2014, 03:16:33 PM
I have had DVD fail me more than hdd. Well with archival disc coming out I will probably acquire once they are available and at least archive older, especially licensed animes that I like on them. Then move on to stuff hard to acquire.
you forgot the part that it wouldn't be openly available to the public any time soon, i'm betting its one of those things that you'd need a license or a legal company to acquire it.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-announces-next-gen-blu-ray-disc-can-store-up-to-1tb-of-data/1100-6418200/
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[UPDATE] A Panasonic representative has clarified that the Archival Disc is specifically intended for professional purposes, not general consumer use.

"The development is specifically for professional archiving," a Panasonic spokesperson told PC World. "We are not currently considering optical discs for household consumer use."

edit: if it takes any longer than 5years or so, harddisks would've scaled to over 100TB at less than a cent per GB.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: megido-rev.M on March 17, 2014, 01:53:23 AM
That would be awesome.
Title: Re: can we say that CD/DVD are now obsolete for use and back-up?...
Post by: kamuixtv99 on March 19, 2014, 08:43:15 AM
Few years back there was a thread like this. You are in BBT where most people prefer NAS/hdd , that at least is my perception. I switched to HDD in 2010 when Sony ditched their dvd-r manufacturing to Ridata and at the same time hdds became affordable or reasonable for me. Now I wonder, so from 2010 you still use...oh wait there still is Taiyo Yuden (TY) but this option for me is not practical or you pay more or just buy hdd locally, TY claims their discs would last up to 30 years.

here are my dvdrs from 2003 to mid-2010, some older discs are bitrotten now, almost 900 discs, I don't like it now
(click to show/hide)
I don't see the point transferring them on hdds, most are HDs, when the source is SD, I think I can still "rescue" them but that requires time.

Archival Disc...hmmm, Sony is betting the unknown, I guess it's a modified BD, blue lasers? Could be use on PS5. When this format fails they would drop it altogether like they did with their dvdr facilities.