Author Topic: Found a ratio hacker/cheater? Report it here  (Read 163642 times)

Offline AnimeOokami

  • Member
  • Posts: 41
  • The big "bad" wolf.
Re: Found a ratio hacker/cheater? Report it here
« Reply #520 on: May 31, 2010, 11:46:54 AM »

Offline AnimeOokami

  • Member
  • Posts: 41
  • The big "bad" wolf.
Re: Found a ratio hacker/cheater? Report it here
« Reply #521 on: June 03, 2010, 06:11:10 PM »
http://bakabt.me/user/956031/crissio.html

He has uploaded 4492.22 GB (ratio 7857.1x) on following torrent (on his seeded tab)
http://bakabt.me/151736-bloody-monday.html
but it has been completed only 789 times.

Offline eristic

  • Member
  • Posts: 18
Re: Found a ratio hacker/cheater? Report it here
« Reply #522 on: June 22, 2010, 02:50:55 PM »
This user:

http://bakabt.me/user/710700/shadowy.html

has sane statistics. But on two torrents I've uploaded I came across the following discrepancies:


http://bakabt.me/150009-windy-tales-ost-op-single-mp3-320-kbps.html


http://bakabt.me/150161-kenran-butou-sai-ost-singles-vg-ost.html

S/he has been seeding for significantly longer than the uploader (that's me) and has more hits, too, for much smaller upload volumes.

Checking her/his user page it looks very clean, except for:

1. seeding a huge number of torrents (could be possible given s/he is/says is from Norway),

2. very erratic pattern of ratios on individual torrents,

3. a very neat total ratio of ~1.002 (fluctuating only in the third place after decimal point over time) indicating either a cheating client or one that keeps track of transfer totals very accurately and over a long period,

4. an unusual number of 0 KB downloads on non-freeleech torrents (mostly soundtracks).

Specifically regarding (4), it's impossible for the two torrents I have uploaded since I personally encoded and/or tagged the albums. In one of them a BakaBT user specifically provided one of the albums for the torrent. In other words, it is simply impossible for the user shadowy to have had the exact same files and to have seeded them without leeching any.

Or maybe I have missed something and s/he is an honest user.

Offline Blanchimont

  • Member
  • Posts: 1128
  • Dreamer through Time
Re: Found a ratio hacker/cheater? Report it here
« Reply #523 on: June 22, 2010, 03:36:01 PM »
Checking her/his user page it looks very clean, except for:

1. seeding a huge number of torrents (could be possible given s/he is/says is from Norway),

2. very erratic pattern of ratios on individual torrents,

3. a very neat total ratio of ~1.002 (fluctuating only in the third place after decimal point over time) indicating either a cheating client or one that keeps track of transfer totals very accurately and over a long period,

4. an unusual number of 0 KB downloads on non-freeleech torrents (mostly soundtracks).

Specifically regarding (4), it's impossible for the two torrents I have uploaded since I personally encoded and/or tagged the albums. In one of them a BakaBT user specifically provided one of the albums for the torrent. In other words, it is simply impossible for the user shadowy to have had the exact same files and to have seeded them without leeching any.

Or maybe I have missed something and s/he is an honest user.

1. Seeding a lot of torrents isn't an issue, though too many might give issues for your pc and give very small piece of the bandwidth cake to individual torrents, and cause some overhead...

2. So? Some torrents don't almost ever have leechers, it's compensated by seeding those that do...

3. The bigger the amount downloaded/uploaded, the easier it is to stay at a level. For example I have 1.017 with 842.86GB/829.13GB up/down. Don't want it to slide down below one, and doubt he wants it either. Depends a lot on the type of connection one has.

4. He might have just used the public key, or got it from another source, to protect/raise his ratio. In your example he most likely used the public key.

I wouldn't be too quick to judge here, perhaps just keep an eye out...
« Last Edit: June 22, 2010, 03:42:18 PM by Blanchimont »

"..It's our dreams that guide us towards the future...not force"

Offline eristic

  • Member
  • Posts: 18
Re: Found a ratio hacker/cheater? Report it here
« Reply #524 on: June 22, 2010, 05:26:39 PM »
1. Seeding a lot of torrents isn't an issue, though too many might give issues for your pc and give very small piece of the bandwidth cake to individual torrents, and cause some overhead...

2. So? Some torrents don't almost ever have leechers, it's compensated by seeding those that do...

3. The bigger the amount downloaded/uploaded, the easier it is to stay at a level. For example I have 1.017 with 842.86GB/829.13GB up/down. Don't want it to slide down below one, and doubt he wants it either. Depends a lot on the type of connection one has.

4. He might have just used the public key, or got it from another source, to protect/raise his ratio. In your example he most likely used the public key.

I wouldn't be too quick to judge here, perhaps just keep an eye out...

First off, do you have any comments on the two discrepancies I noted?

Then...

On (1) you're correct, except that seeding 117 torrents at once can create bursts of traffic on announces. A good connection is required for that but I suppose in Norway such connections are pretty much commonplace.

On (2), no, that's not the point. What's the point of downloading a torrent file for a few GB of files, feeding it to the client, downloading nothing (apparently, you need the files present to not need to download anything), seeding a couple megabytes, and then stopping there. It's erratic, to say the least.

On (3), again you're correct but people usually keep a desired ratio by attempting to seed every individual torrent they leech to that ratio. If you have many different ratios, cf. (2), on different torrents you'll need to either have a client that keeps transfer totals (and over long periods) or you'll need to constantly keep an eye on your ratio via some interface/API BakaBT provides.

On (4), if you use the "public key" (which, AFAIK, is not a session key at all, rather a different tracker) the session can't be identified as yours, can it?

On avoiding quick judgment I'm all the way with you.

Offline Blanchimont

  • Member
  • Posts: 1128
  • Dreamer through Time
Re: Found a ratio hacker/cheater? Report it here
« Reply #525 on: June 22, 2010, 05:56:13 PM »
On (1) As I said, if his pc/connection can handle it...

On (2&4) He might very well have leeched with public key and then switched in his own key for seeding, in which case the seeding will add to his stats. As for the 'none downloaded/small amount uploaded', perhaps he started seeding one he leeched publicly, but there were no leechers so he stopped it to give room for other torrents...

On (3) What exactly is hard with keeping an eye on overall ratio? It's THE ratio that matters, not the individual ones...

"..It's our dreams that guide us towards the future...not force"

Offline K7IA

  • Member
  • Posts: 884
  • :)
Re: Found a ratio hacker/cheater? Report it here
« Reply #526 on: June 22, 2010, 06:06:00 PM »
@eristic, remember that some members use Seedboxes for torrenting and they can keep strict control over seeding of individual torrents. Modern BitTorrent clients allow efficient seed queuing based on seeder/leecher statistics of the torrent (while they are forced seeding as well)

Offline eristic

  • Member
  • Posts: 18
Re: Found a ratio hacker/cheater? Report it here
« Reply #527 on: June 22, 2010, 06:56:03 PM »
On (3) What exactly is hard with keeping an eye on overall ratio? It's THE ratio that matters, not the individual ones...
On the other counts you're right. On this one I have quoted, well, you will need to continually check how much you've downloaded/uploaded and balance them in very short intervals, that's if you're going to manually keep your ratio within +/- 0.005 of 1.

@eristic, remember that some members use Seedboxes for torrenting and they can keep strict control over seeding of individual torrents. Modern BitTorrent clients allow efficient seed queuing based on seeder/leecher statistics of the torrent (while they are forced seeding as well)
The only client, that I am aware of, with this capability is Azureus. Are there others?

User shadowy's client ID says s/he is using uTorrent 1.8.4! If s/he were using other clients that generated these erratic patterns I'd say we'd see the IDs of those in at least some of the torrents s/he were seeding. (Assuming s/he were using more than one machine. Say, one home machine and one seedbox.) That is not the case.

I really don't intend to discuss at length based on mere tidbits of information and speculation. For the time being I consider shadowy an honest user and leave judgement to admins who can check her/his activity in detail, if they will.

EDIT: Typo fixed.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2010, 07:01:47 PM by eristic »

Offline K7IA

  • Member
  • Posts: 884
  • :)
Re: Found a ratio hacker/cheater? Report it here
« Reply #528 on: June 22, 2010, 07:04:08 PM »
@eristic, remember that some members use Seedboxes for torrenting and they can keep strict control over seeding of individual torrents. Modern BitTorrent clients allow efficient seed queuing based on seeder/leecher statistics of the torrent (while they are forced seeding as well)
The only client, that I am aware of, with this capability is Azureus. Are there others?

User shadowy's client ID says s/he is using uTorrent 1.8.4! If s/he were using other clients that generated these erratic patterns I'd say we'd see the IDs of those in at least some of the torrents s/he were seeding. (Assuming s/he were using more than one machine. Say, one home machine and one seedbox.) That is not the case.


well, google seedbox utorrent and see for yourself

i.e. http://www.seedcafe.info/seedbox.html


Offline eristic

  • Member
  • Posts: 18
Re: Found a ratio hacker/cheater? Report it here
« Reply #529 on: June 22, 2010, 07:10:10 PM »
well, google seedbox utorrent and see for yourself

i.e. http://www.seedcafe.info/seedbox.html
Does that seedbox provider use an archaic version of uTorrent?

Offline Blanchimont

  • Member
  • Posts: 1128
  • Dreamer through Time
Re: Found a ratio hacker/cheater? Report it here
« Reply #530 on: June 22, 2010, 07:11:53 PM »
On (3) What exactly is hard with keeping an eye on overall ratio? It's THE ratio that matters, not the individual ones...
On the other counts your're right. On this one I have quoted, well, you will need to continually check how much you've downloaded/uploaded and balance them in very short intervals, that's if you're going to manually keep your ratio within +/- 0.005 of 1.

@eristic, remember that some members use Seedboxes for torrenting and they can keep strict control over seeding of individual torrents. Modern BitTorrent clients allow efficient seed queuing based on seeder/leecher statistics of the torrent (while they are forced seeding as well)
The only client, that I am aware of, with this capability is Azureus. Are there others?
You know, a download/upload of +2000GB of both gives a leeway of roughly 10 GB for that 0.005. Shouldn't be too hard to keep in check....

As for the other, I micromanage my torrents, most active ones are Forced, not much left for the client itself to manage. Makes very easy to control them. And cause erratic patterns... And I have uTorrent 2.0. He might be doing the same.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2010, 07:14:39 PM by Blanchimont »

"..It's our dreams that guide us towards the future...not force"

Offline eristic

  • Member
  • Posts: 18
Re: Found a ratio hacker/cheater? Report it here
« Reply #531 on: June 22, 2010, 07:18:35 PM »
You know, a download/upload of +2000GB of both gives a leeway of roughly 10 GB for that 0.005. Shouldn't be too hard to keep in check....

As for the other, I micromanage my torrents, most active ones are Forced, not much left for the client itself to manage. Makes very easy to control them. And cause erratic patterns... And I have uTorrent 2.0. He might be doing the same.
I trust you on this. That makes four penumbrae set alight.

Now, do you have any comments on the discrepancies I first noted?

Offline blubart

  • Member
  • Posts: 2349
Re: Found a ratio hacker/cheater? Report it here
« Reply #532 on: June 22, 2010, 07:42:39 PM »
this thread is for reporting possible ratio hacker/cheater - not discussing about it.

Offline eristic

  • Member
  • Posts: 18
Re: Found a ratio hacker/cheater? Report it here
« Reply #533 on: June 22, 2010, 09:01:01 PM »
this thread is for reporting possible ratio hacker/cheater - not discussing about it.
Duly noted, and done.

Offline hanayome

  • Member
  • Posts: 2602
  • “The world is a corpse and its seekers are dogs.”
Re: Found a ratio hacker/cheater? Report it here
« Reply #534 on: July 07, 2010, 09:44:19 AM »
3 months and 2nd in the top 10 uploaders section? Upload speed 33.9MB/s?

http://bakabt.me/user/957134/slyth.html
Parts of it I admired greatly, parts I laughed at till my sides were almost sore;
other parts I read with absolute sorrow,  because I think them utterly false and grievously mischievous...
Many of your wide conclusions are  based upon assumptions...
A. Sedgwick, Darwin's buddy...

Offline Xtras

  • Member
  • Posts: 894
  • ~
Re: Found a ratio hacker/cheater? Report it here
« Reply #535 on: July 11, 2010, 09:21:07 PM »
http://bakabt.me/user/994185/EhabYoussrey.html

121.07 TB in 1 Hour. 19.1 GB/s I'd love to have such a connection.

Online Al_Sleeper

  • Member
  • Posts: 6590
Re: Found a ratio hacker/cheater? Report it here
« Reply #536 on: July 12, 2010, 02:41:09 AM »

IIRC, China wasn't even in the chart last year. Is due to a sudden improvement of channel bandwidths in China? Or just due to a higher-than-normal proportion of ratio hackers among Chinese users :)?

Offline AnimeOokami

  • Member
  • Posts: 41
  • The big "bad" wolf.
Re: Found a ratio hacker/cheater? Report it here
« Reply #537 on: July 15, 2010, 11:00:01 AM »
http://bakabt.me/user/924242/StevieChea.html

On his Seeded tab there is this torrent
http://bakabt.me/142727-the-grand-prix-hawk.html
He has uploaded 1921.65 GB (ratio 7189.5x) on that torrent but it has been completed only 150 times.

Edit:
http://bakabt.me/user/961167/KandZor.html

On his Seeded tab there is this torrent
http://bakabt.me/153341-eyeshield-21-saizen-funnuraba-digitalsubs.html
He has supposedly uploaded 15.63 TB (ratio 633.9x) on that torrent but it has only been completed 573 times.
Additionally that torrent is quite new (it has been added to tracker July 6th 2010) and there are about 20 seeders that have uploaded over 100 GB each (plus over 100 other seeders), so stats on this user seem to be impossible even if he is from Sweden.
« Last Edit: July 15, 2010, 11:14:28 AM by AnimeOokami »

Offline endlessworld

  • Member
  • Posts: 45
  • English dub lover
Re: Found a ratio hacker/cheater? Report it here
« Reply #538 on: July 19, 2010, 04:05:33 AM »
http://bakabt.me/user/734564/besttobest.html

just look at his ratio on that new Naruto torrent, that guy must LOVE naruto, i mean LUUUUUUUUUV Naruto!
The strongest hawk hides her claws.

Offline Xemnarth

  • Member
  • Posts: 566