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vicious796:
Slow down people, power isn't everything. Intelligence is what makes a real ninja a real ninja. Look at Shikamaru, weak as fuck but I wouldn't mess with him. Also, let's rethink our position on Sasuke and the 8 tails by looking at everything:
Sasuke went into battle with a new "goodie" that he doesn't know how to use yet. The only thing he knows how to do is amaratsu and he isn't even 100% on it. He also used some of his power to put out the flames. The problem is, how do you train with something that robs you of so much?
The 8 tails was/is also capable of using his beast to the fullest. Naruto, not so much. Sasuke was also still a little dinged up after his fight with Itachi.
1 on 1, even with Sage Mode, I don't know if Naruto is capable of out-doing Sasuke. It's the brains people, Naruto doesn't have them. Itachi power is something different, we don't know what it is.
NOW, as to how the story can/will play out right now.
Naruto seems to be out of gas. As always, he's in need of help from some outside source. Let's take into consideration the possible allies he has in his corner:
1.) Shikamaru. He was just told to sit out and his leg is broken but lord knows that doesn't mean anything.
2.) Tsunade. She's a little worn out right now. Healing an entire village at one time takes alot out of you.
3.) Sakura. Useless.
4.) Neji. He could do somethan.
5.) Hinata. Maybe?
6.) The rest of his little friends. Lord knows they'll come together.
7.) Let's not forget, Sasuke may be trying to fool Madara. Put Hawk here as a maybe.
8.) Let's also not forget, we don't know a GOD DAMN THING about Uzumaki Kushina. She may even show up and become his next "teacher".
9.) The man is surrounded by huge frogs. I believe they can buy him some time.
beezer08:
First of all I don't think Naruto is out of gas since I'm pretty sure his own chakra is still strong because he doesn't use as much as he normally would while in sage mode. I also don't think anyone can come to the rescue this time since everyone seems too beat up to give him a hand.....and its not like they'll make a big difference against Pein anyway. I have a feeling he'll either re initiate sage mode while moving(like he said he would try) or he'll call upon the kyuubi. The other possibility is that Pein stops attacking the village and stops his pursuit of Naruto since he doesn't yet know that they failed to capture the 8th Jinchuriki....which they said they need to extract before the 9th else the whole thing would be ruined.
Secondly for the last time, Naruto does have brains and the power to back it up. If you want a good example of how he uses them, just take a look at his battle with Kakuzu. Kakuzu was an incredibly intelligent ninja(who rivals Skikamaru) who was very talented as well and he still got destroyed by Naruto and his new move even though he was doing everything to avoid it. He may not be as intelligent as Sasuke, but he's not an idiot either.
@furuo: I'm pretty sure Naruto has taken out 4 of Pein's bodies. 1-Rasengan when he made his appearance and saved Tsunade. 2-Nailed with a frog katta. 3- Inside the mouth of the frog. 4- Throwing Rasenshuriken
vicious796:
I forgot about the 8 tails needing to be captured first. I believe Pein will get him to a weak spot and then fall back.
Penthero:
--- Quote from: vicious796 on January 29, 2009, 07:17:47 PM ---I forgot about the 8 tails needing to be captured first. I believe Pein will get him to a weak spot and then fall back.
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Wouldn't it be easier to just capture Naruto there? So they won't need to repeat the hassle to get him again...Otherwise Itachi showing up in the village earlier wouldn't make sense.
furuoshiki:
--- Quote from: vicious796 on January 29, 2009, 02:10:14 PM ---Slow down people, power isn't everything. Intelligence is what makes a real ninja a real ninja. Look at Shikamaru, weak as fuck but I wouldn't mess with him.
Naruto seems to be out of gas. As always, he's in need of help from some outside source. Let's take into consideration the possible allies he has in his corner:
1.) Shikamaru. He was just told to sit out and his leg is broken but lord knows that doesn't mean anything.
8.) Let's also not forget, we don't know a GOD DAMN THING about Uzumaki Kushina. She may even show up and become his next "teacher".
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I agree with Shikamaru not being down for the count yet.
And yes Naruto's mother...did she really die during childbirth as I am sure most of us assumed? But then again I remember that the beast was trapped inside of Naruto AFTER he was born. If Naruto's mother is alive that would be a nice but suspicious plot twist that would need some big explaining. Especially because of the fact of Naruto's tough parentless child hood. This connects to the only doubt I have of Minato being Naruto's father, (if he was, wouldn't people have respected him more regardless of his nature or what is inside of him? Or conversely BECAUSE of the burden inside of him?) Wasn't too nice of Sarutobi and Jiraiya to just die without at least hinting at these things.
I agree that Naruto may have gotten some common sense, but honestly who changes greatly in just TWO YEARS? Beezer I think you are taking it a little bit to easy on our boy here:
--- Quote from: beezer08 on January 29, 2009, 04:01:16 PM ---Secondly for the last time, Naruto does have brains and the power to back it up. If you want a good example of how he uses them, just take a look at his battle with Kakuzu. Kakuzu was an incredibly intelligent ninja(who rivals Skikamaru) who was very talented as well and he still got destroyed by Naruto and his new move even though he was doing everything to avoid it. He may not be as intelligent as Sasuke, but he's not an idiot either.
@furuo: I'm pretty sure Naruto has taken out 4 of Pein's bodies. 1-Rasengan when he made his appearance and saved Tsunade. 2-Nailed with a frog katta. 3- Inside the mouth of the frog. 4- Throwing Rasenshuriken
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Honestly compared to Hidan, Kakuzu was a complete idiot that needed more hearts due to his arrogance probably ordinarily getting him close to death too easily. I don't think Kakuzu is the poster brain child for the Akatsuki.... If Kakashi wasn't worn down from fighting the clay bird dude I am sure he would have handily whooped Kakuzu's ass. While we shouldn't expect Naruto to have anywhere near the intelligence capacity of the Uchiha clan, as vicious says he cannot possibly defeat Sasuke if he intends to rely solely on surprises.
Honestly I haven't seen anything truly innovative (in terms of variety, not just power) from Naruto since the Chunnin Exam against Neji when he dug under ground and left a Bunshin Kawamiri where he got hit. Now that wasn't just a cool move, but it was a Shikamaru level tactic worthy of praise.
As for Naruto's stamina I wouldn't count on the Kyuubi being used here. Even though Natural energy is mostly coming from the environment he still isn't used to using it, and because of the expedited training he is probably using just as much Chakra as it takes to handle the Kyuubi Chakra. Just remember that if Naruto goes berserk it's all over and Konoha loses for sure. Why?:
1)Yamato is probably exhausted
2) Uh it's the Akatsuki's goal to extract the Biju from the Jinchurriki, if he unleashes the Kyuubi this makes life a hell of a lot easier and less complicated for Pein.
3) Madara can come in do what he did last time, potentially.
Looks like Vicious' prediction of back-up coming will come to pass.
However the following question comes to mind:
Where the fuck is Team Gai when you really need them???
P.S. - Killer Bee's strength right now is probably unfathomable/cannot be compared to anyone right now. Even though Sasuke was weakened from the previous fight Killer Bee escaped the Amaterasu, something which is famed for being inescapable. Also he appears to be relatively comfortable in dealing with Genjutsu compared to Naruto and Jiraiya, and is second to none in Taijutsu. Through process of elimination I am assuming only Ninjutsu can defeat him. I doubt Killer Bee will become an enemy of Konoha but he should keep Pein very busy at least until Naruto becomes smarter and stronger. I don't want to be biased but anyone who can only understand Natural Energy (Qi Gong in our Universe) by comparing it to an ice-cream swirl has to be an incredibly thick-headed dude. This goes for Gamakichi as well for proposing that analogy. :D
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