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Re: Naruto Discussion [Manga Only]
« Reply #300 on: March 24, 2009, 07:50:21 PM »
There's damn good reason Sasuke wouldn't know, and no one would tell him the truth of his back-story/motivation.

Naruto's "lonely misfit orphan who's looked down upon by all until he wins them over with friendship, hard work, and victory" back story/motivation is considerably less gripping when he's the son of the martyred Hokage, the fact that he wasn't aware of who his parents were seems too much of a convenience to spring on him this late into the series - given that, he should have provided a more solid reason then a vague "it'd be troublesome to discuss it".
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« Reply #301 on: March 24, 2009, 08:34:41 PM »
It was less the issue of whether Sasuke would know as it was the fact that there was no way in hell the author had that in mind all the way back to the opening chapters.

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« Reply #302 on: March 25, 2009, 03:50:11 PM »
It was less the issue of whether Sasuke would know as it was the fact that there was no way in hell the author had that in mind all the way back to the opening chapters.

I don't see why not. I fully believe that Sasuke is the main character of this manga :P


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« Reply #303 on: March 25, 2009, 07:56:17 PM »
The author loves to drop plot bombs on his characters. I figure this one at least had the advantage of being alluded to for the reader for quite a while. I thought the Itachi revelations were worse in terms of "you can't be serious." I don't necessarily disagree with where it's put Sasuke, but you figure the entire backstory of Saskue, every single action he's done, his primary reason for living, has been a manipulation by Itachi. In fact, it was so subtle a plot that the long thought dead founder of his clan had to tell it to him for him to even know. Naruto got off light just finding out his father was the 4th.

.....and now Sasuke's life is being manipulated by Madara, he can't catch a break can he?

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« Reply #304 on: March 25, 2009, 08:00:25 PM »
I don't see why not. I fully believe that Sasuke is the main character of this manga :P
Seriously. How many arcs of "training" did Naruto have to go through for Sasuke to just look at someone funny and develop a new eye technique.

.....and now Sasuke's life is being manipulated by Madara, he can't catch a break can he?
Madara seems a bit less subtle about it, but yeah, not a happy life.

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« Reply #305 on: March 26, 2009, 02:25:02 PM »
I don't see why not. I fully believe that Sasuke is the main character of this manga :P
Seriously. How many arcs of "training" did Naruto have to go through for Sasuke to just look at someone funny and develop a new eye technique.

.....and now Sasuke's life is being manipulated by Madara, he can't catch a break can he?
Madara seems a bit less subtle about it, but yeah, not a happy life.

He's that badass. Sasuke wasn't just sitting around all those years. He did some good learnins.


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« Reply #306 on: March 26, 2009, 02:33:55 PM »
meh i think the secret main character is the person who will wake up from a coma any minute now

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« Reply #307 on: March 26, 2009, 05:47:05 PM »
meh i think the secret main character is the person who will wake up from a coma any minute now

Who? O.o Or are you talking about shows with people in comas in general? O.o

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« Reply #308 on: March 26, 2009, 06:09:26 PM »
meh i think the secret main character is the person who will wake up from a coma any minute now

I'll alter your theory by saying that this entire story is actually written by the 4th Hokage (when he was still Jiraiya's apprentice) or Jiraiya.
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« Reply #309 on: March 26, 2009, 06:55:25 PM »
meh i think the secret main character is the person who will wake up from a coma any minute now

I'll alter your theory by saying that this entire story is actually written by the 4th Hokage (when he was still Jiraiya's apprentice) or Jiraiya.
ah that one could work too, its all his next book

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« Reply #310 on: March 27, 2009, 03:56:51 AM »
So according to the latest chapter the fight will end next week.....and all the signs point to Naruto being the winner, then talking to the real Pein.  I hate waiting......

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« Reply #311 on: March 27, 2009, 11:56:28 AM »
At least they're keeping it good. Not like Bleach...


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« Reply #312 on: March 27, 2009, 03:41:36 PM »
At least they're keeping it good. Not like Bleach...

Yeah, Bleach seems to be falling apart due to the lack of decent supporting characters. 

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« Reply #313 on: March 27, 2009, 05:57:10 PM »
At least they're keeping it good. Not like Bleach...

Yeah, Bleach seems to be falling apart due to the lack of decent supporting characters. 

Who doesn't love the main character getting his ass kicked and then for no apparent reason (which will half-assedly be explained later on) gets up with even more power than before and saves the day (and generally is unaware of whats going on when he has that power)?
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« Reply #314 on: March 27, 2009, 06:29:56 PM »
At least they're keeping it good. Not like Bleach...

Yeah, Bleach seems to be falling apart due to the lack of decent supporting characters. 

There are a TON of could-be decent supporting characters, they're just not used. It's all Ichigo all the time. 24/7/365 Ichigo.


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« Reply #315 on: March 27, 2009, 07:14:20 PM »
At least they're keeping it good. Not like Bleach...

Yeah, Bleach seems to be falling apart due to the lack of decent supporting characters. 

There are a TON of could-be decent supporting characters, they're just not used. It's all Ichigo all the time. 24/7/365 Ichigo.

No there isn't.  All of his close friends bore the shit outta me and all of the interesting Shinigami aren't shown enough.....minus Kenpachi.  The Vaizards are interesting too....but we haven't seen them in a long time either(flashback arc doesn't count).

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Re: Naruto Discussion [Manga Only]
« Reply #316 on: March 27, 2009, 08:32:19 PM »
At least they're keeping it good. Not like Bleach...

Yeah, Bleach seems to be falling apart due to the lack of decent supporting characters. 

There are a TON of could-be decent supporting characters, they're just not used. It's all Ichigo all the time. 24/7/365 Ichigo.

No there isn't.  All of his close friends bore the shit outta me and all of the interesting Shinigami aren't shown enough.....minus Kenpachi.  The Vaizards are interesting too....but we haven't seen them in a long time either(flashback arc doesn't count).

I think Ishida could've had a decent arc on his own if they went more into him.
Think about the arc they could make about Ichigo's father's SS days.
They did a LITTLE BIT on Urahara and Yoichi, could've done way more.

You said it with the interesting shinigami not being shown enough. They have characters they could have made good side characters but they didn't do it.


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Re: Naruto Discussion [Manga Only]
« Reply #317 on: March 27, 2009, 09:22:52 PM »
You said it with the interesting shinigami not being shown enough. They have characters they could have made good side characters but they didn't do it.
I agree, the problem with Bleach is how they choose to use their side characters. Naruto often neglects characters, to the point where some are only brought out to kill them off, but Bleach suffers from using their side characters almost entirely as a prop for Ichigo.

Someone like Ishida could definitely have gotten some more focus, but everytime he's brought out he's probably getting his ass kicked. Inevitably he has to defer to Ichigo. Orihime has a ridiculously powerful ability, but as a character she's never allowed to do anything more than heal or act hysterical. Chad probably had potential but he's also never developed. Renji arguably suffers it the worst, he capped out in about the second arc and has spent the rest of the manga being a DBZ-esque villian prop-up character. By defeating Renji, we know the villain is strong! Characters like Yoichi, etc., definitely have the backstory and the power to compete, but they're operated almost entirely in the background, simply pushing Ichigo further when he needs something that they could provide rather than being a meaningful part of the series.

I think it'd be hard to say that Naruto out and out has better supporting characters, I mean we're supposed to feel sad about the death of a character you might have seen in all of a half dozen frames occasionally. But at the same time they avoid turning the character into just a prop for Naruto or Sasuke. They might die an ignoble death after a couple of appearances (including most of their backstory dumped on the manga right before the kick it) but their progression and development wasn't at least entirely subordinate to the main character(s).

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Re: Naruto Discussion [Manga Only]
« Reply #318 on: March 28, 2009, 04:30:03 PM »
whoa, this is turning into a bleach thread!

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Re: Naruto Discussion [Manga Only]
« Reply #319 on: March 29, 2009, 03:23:00 AM »
You all saw it coming. Bleach becomes DBZ, Naruto becomes Bleach... now what becomes Naruto...?
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