Author Topic: Naruto Discussion [Manga Only] (Read 200076 times)

fohfoh · « **Reply #420 on:** September 13, 2009, 03:38:57 AM »

Yeah, I recall him explaining about his eye, but I don't recall what he specifically said. I'll just take your word for it.

BotMan2 · « **Reply #421 on:** September 14, 2009, 12:34:17 AM »

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Chapter 463 is out!

And its confirmed! M.Sharingan of sasuke is still not permanent.

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He still bleeds when he uses it.
And he uses them a lot in this chapter

who told that permanent M. sharingan do not bleed?

it does bleed, you just cant get blind

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and the reikage got Sharinged Amaterasu ftw!,
and also i nor sure how he got the M. sharingan he dint kill naruto so is itachi`s pne that got transplanted to him, i dont know how: mmm transfer of blood?

Hmmm... Good point. There's still lots of unconfirmed info. I'm pretty much sure its not permanent. Since Sasuke experiencing some signs of side effects... (as noted by vicious796).

vicious796 · « **Reply #422 on:** September 14, 2009, 04:15:29 PM »

Yes, Kakashi covers his implanted eye because he can't switch his sharingan on and off as it's not his natural eye. They took it out of Obito while it was active so that Kakashi could use it that way. Danzo, I would assume, is exactly the same. However, we have not seen Danzo with a Mangekyo Sharingan, only a regular. Could he have one? Sure, we don't know though.

We also know that each individual person with a Mangekyo Sharingan has their own individual talents with it. Itachi would invade your mind and use, pretty much, the ultimate hypnosis. Kakashi send whatever he hits into an alternate dimension. It looks like Sasuke has a ridiculous amount of control over his amaratsu as he's the only one known to be able to remove the flames after they form. Madara is an unknown.

Noboru_san · « **Reply #423 on:** September 15, 2009, 01:14:21 PM »

Quote from: vicious796 on September 14, 2009, 04:15:29 PM

Yes, Kakashi covers his implanted eye because he can't switch his sharingan on and off as it's not his natural eye. They took it out of Obito while it was active so that Kakashi could use it that way. Danzo, I would assume, is exactly the same. However, we have not seen Danzo with a Mangekyo Sharingan, only a regular. Could he have one? Sure, we don't know though.

We also know that each individual person with a Mangekyo Sharingan has their own individual talents with it. Itachi would invade your mind and use, pretty much, the ultimate hypnosis. Kakashi send whatever he hits into an alternate dimension. It looks like Sasuke has a ridiculous amount of control over his amaratsu as he's the only one known to be able to remove the flames after they form. Madara is an unknown.

i agree to all what you say about kakashi lack of turning on and off his sharingan.
Danzo...i dont thinkt he ahs one, he has actitude to kill anyone for hsi own benefit, probalby a friend, ect.
Madara M.sharingan skills have to eb connected with his so long life span, i mean he fought the 1st hokage long long ago, and he looks very skillfull for his age, he should be very old like more than 100 years old, so probably he use M.sharingan to chnage to another body as orochimaru or somehting like Kakusu (the imortal akatsuki member with many hearts and patner of Hidan), well that is what i think.
Kashi got his M.sharingan wehn obito died (amazing gift).

and ther eis one more thign that i woudl liek to bring up, is about Naruto, we knwo the skills of teeletransportation of his father, shown in kakashi gaiden, why naruto cant use that yet? isnt suppose to be some blood line ability?

fohfoh · « **Reply #424 on:** September 15, 2009, 05:06:25 PM »

First off... holy shit my eyes hurt. I was contemplating tl;dr.

But the second thing you need to realize. The time parallel universe thing... isn't a bloodline. It's a skill. Maybe you need a bloodline to use it, but overall it's still a skill. Sort of like Naruto's modified rasengan. You need skill to use rasengan, you're not born with it... but without wind element to add to the rasengan, you can't do that move. It's also obvious the time parallel universe thing requires external training and TOOLS to use. This should have been moreso noticed in the fact that there is a seal and an explanation of the weapons which allows him to use it. He teleports to the tool, not to some random point he wants to.

BotMan2 · « **Reply #425 on:** September 16, 2009, 05:01:54 AM »

Maybe Tobi/Madara has Space/Time manipulation powers? It could be the reason he can warp here to there and not being able to be damaged by conventional techniques (ex. rasengan).

Kakashi got a normal sharingan from Obito, the reason it turned into m. sharingan is unknown (AFAIK).

fohfoh · « **Reply #426 on:** September 16, 2009, 07:27:53 AM »

I wasn't aware of Tobi's space time technique. Though we're guessing he has longevity.

Wasn't it also explained that M Sharingan doesn't need you to kill someone but to witness the death of someone close? (Which Kakashi should have witnessed a bunch of times over and over.

BotMan2 · « **Reply #427 on:** September 16, 2009, 08:47:12 AM »

About the space/time technique, it still (my) speculation.

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Wasn't it also explained that M Sharingan doesn't need you to kill someone but to witness the death of someone close? (Which Kakashi should have witnessed a bunch of times over and over.

True. But a M. Sharingan doesn't just appear out of nowhere. There must be a reason (which IF I remember kakashi was going to explain but was interrupted by Naruto and Sakura).

vicious796 · « **Reply #428 on:** September 16, 2009, 07:11:43 PM »

Kakashi has always felt, at least, that he killed Obito. We also don't know what happened to Rin but I believe we were told she's dead for sure.

Tobi/Madara has teleported randomly at small differences with an unknown max range. This is not guaranteed to be a Sharingan technique as the 4th Hokage was also able to do this over GREAT distances (like half the f'n planet).

The only known M.S. to alter "the space/time continum" is Kakashi's. Itachi didn't actually remove anyone from the physical plane, he just invaded the mind and controlled "time" there (stabbing Kakashi for 72 hours in the matter of 1 second). It's one of those mind over matter things. If you truly believe 72 hours passed in 1 second, it did. Itachi had the most perfect form of Genjutsu with his M.S. (genjutsu being his specialty anyhow).

Sasuke has not shown if he's developed a special technique utilizing his M.S. or not. So far we've only seen him have extreme control over amaretsu.

EDIT: After rereading chapter 390, page 8, Itachi was also able to recede the flames.

flamedance58 · « **Reply #429 on:** September 17, 2009, 03:10:37 AM »

About Tobi's ability..I do believe somewhere in the manga it does mention Kakashi wondering how Tobi can move so fast that he takes no damage and there was mentioning of a time/space teleportation ability.

Oh and the 4th isn't as advanced as Tobi's considering the 4th had the mark the things he wanted to go to like when he slapped that mark on that Earth Country guy in the Kakashi Special (Can't remember name it's the one where they talk about him being a kid,etc.) and the special kunai.
While he has to mark things Tobi just up and does it without any special equipment or preparation. Also to note it's very fast considering he did need to get away from when Deidera(sp?) exploded.

I'm kind of curious whether Naruto ever gains control over the Kyuubi like that Bull Demon guy did; cause even though some might not like the idea I still think it'd be pretty neat to see Naruto slipping into the forms and not going crazy.

newy · « **Reply #430 on:** September 17, 2009, 10:57:16 AM »

Sasuke, just die. That guy is just ridiculous. Admitting to live for the darkness... that guy is lost. If Kishi really intends to let him be rescued by Naruto at the end of the series I think I'll be disappointed. <-- Latest chapter is out.

vicious796 · « **Reply #431 on:** September 17, 2009, 12:12:07 PM »

I don't remember the 4th NEEDING a mark on something, I just thought he put a mark on the kunai to give him a heads up on whether it was used or not. If Kakashi were to use it he would know there's trouble kind've deal.

Also, by rereading 403 page 17, Sasuke did NOT transplant the eyes so he will eventually go blind.

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newy · « **Reply #432 on:** September 17, 2009, 12:17:51 PM »

I don't know if the 4th needed to mark but he marked the foot of that enemy ninja and was later in an instant at that ninja's position.

Broberg1337 · « **Reply #433 on:** September 17, 2009, 05:30:40 PM »

Why didn't Sauske do the transplant? I mean does he want to go blind?

Also why shouldn't Naruto gain access to his fathers abillities like the flash thingy with the kunais and marks on them. Maybe that would make him to overpower but I like it when the main character is overpowerd:D

newy · « **Reply #434 on:** September 17, 2009, 06:31:12 PM »

Naruto still needs to train hard to get overpowered unlike that emo bastard sasugay. Let him go blind! And DIE! If Naruto gets "overpowered" then he deserves it.

fohfoh · « **Reply #435 on:** September 17, 2009, 06:48:50 PM »

Quote from: newy on September 17, 2009, 06:31:12 PM

Naruto still needs to train hard to get overpowered unlike that emo bastard sasugay. Let him go blind! And DIE! If Naruto gets "overpowered" then he deserves it.

He did. But it's dangerous.

Give the fucker the wind chakra powered trench spikey weapon thing and start him up... seriously... wtfuck.

Broberg1337 · « **Reply #436 on:** September 17, 2009, 08:54:04 PM »

Quote from: fohfoh on September 17, 2009, 06:48:50 PM

Quote from: newy on September 17, 2009, 06:31:12 PM
Naruto still needs to train hard to get overpowered unlike that emo bastard sasugay. Let him go blind! And DIE! If Naruto gets "overpowered" then he deserves it.

He did. But it's dangerous.

Give the fucker the wind chakra powered trench spikey weapon thing and start him up... seriously... wtfuck.

wth is the wind chakra powered trench spikey weapon thing? xD Give him a freaking sword that he uses with wind chakra, kinda like asuma did with his fist weapons, the flash thing that his dad had, that cool mantle he had when he fought pein. Then we are good to fucking go oh and perhaps madaras sharingan to top it off? Damn that would piss that emo off

flamedance58 · « **Reply #437 on:** September 17, 2009, 10:38:04 PM »

The 4th did have to mark things to go to it; it wasn't like he could teleport wherever he wants to unless he marks it. The marking on those tri-pointed kunai gives me a connection to him so he can teleport to them. Then again they haven't given us much information on the technique other than what we've seen so far.

And didn't Itachi do the transplant to set that trap against Tobi?

And yes, I do think there is no chance there's going to be a rescue of Sasuke; more than likely it's going to end with a Naruto Vs. Sasuke fight.

BotMan2 · « **Reply #438 on:** September 18, 2009, 12:04:16 AM »

Quote from: flamedance58 on September 17, 2009, 10:38:04 PM

And didn't Itachi do the transplant to set that trap against Tobi?

No transplant happened. Its somewhat like Itachi programmed Sasuke's M.S. to burn Tobi on sight...

fohfoh · « **Reply #439 on:** September 18, 2009, 03:39:47 AM »

Quote from: Broberg1337 on September 17, 2009, 08:54:04 PM

Quote from: fohfoh on September 17, 2009, 06:48:50 PM
Quote from: newy on September 17, 2009, 06:31:12 PM
Naruto still needs to train hard to get overpowered unlike that emo bastard sasugay. Let him go blind! And DIE! If Naruto gets "overpowered" then he deserves it.

He did. But it's dangerous.

Give the fucker the wind chakra powered trench spikey weapon thing and start him up... seriously... wtfuck.

wth is the wind chakra powered trench spikey weapon thing? xD Give him a freaking sword that he uses with wind chakra, kinda like asuma did with his fist weapons, the flash thing that his dad had, that cool mantle he had when he fought pein. Then we are good to fucking go oh and perhaps madaras sharingan to top it off? Damn that would piss that emo off

Trench Spike > Fisty weapon.

REAL Trench Spike:

But yeah... let's recycle Asuma's weapons... please?