Macross Frontier

[Tatsujin]

Do you intend to watch the first series? SDF Macross (that's the one that was aired before 'Do You Remember Love?' (In a later series DYRL is mentioned as a movie (like a chronicle that tells about the events that happened in SDF))

Well, the order is the following:

• Macross Zero
• SDF Macross
• Macross - Do You Remember Love?
• Macross Flashback (more of a "recap" of all the songs of Lynn Minmay + additional scenes as how the main character embark on a journey towards the core of the Milky Way)
• Macross II - Lovers again (I think it's an alternative sequel)
• Macross Plus (There exist a recap movie (again ) with additional scenes, might want to watch it)
• Macross 7
• Macross Dynamite 7
• Macross Frontier

More info about the alternative sequel can be found at Wikipedia.

Macross II, the only animated project without Studio Nue's direct involvement, was declared a parallel-world story by Studio Nue.

I see, so I should watch it in this order? I love my new speed x_x;;

Edit -- The movie has a full picture of Sheryl. I was wondering why Ranka or Alto weren't present but now that I thought deeper it would make sense to actually have a connection of Sheryl's story: Remember the picture that floated around with Sheryl's name on it and her mother? Her grandmother passed down the earrings to her daughter, telling her to let Sheryl wear them. So What exactly happened to Sheryl?! How did she end up in the slams? Who abandoned her? Etc etc. There has to be a big story behind all of that. You can't just "Oh, this happened" because the TV series clearly doesn't explain what happened. That's one point. The other point is Ranka and her Brother, (probably just few things that happened between them). And also Alto's. Tho' the movie supposedly to be based off of the TV series (with new scenes), I hope they do add these features in. I want to know more about Alto and Sheryl's story. Ranka was summed up enough to understand it.

[Mele]

One thing I'd like to add for those who just finished is that for about a week after I finished I couldn't decide if I liked Sheryl or Ranka better, but as I gave it more and more thought, and listened to the music more, I fell for Ranka wholeheartedly. My point is that your perceptions my change once the high from finishing such an amazing show is gone.

[relic2279]

I haven't seen Frontier since the last episode aired... I still prefer balls to the wall Sheryl over emo Ranka. Though I prefer Ranka's voice. Even though both have amazing voices.

[Tatsujin]

I haven't seen Frontier since the last episode aired... I still prefer balls to the wall Sheryl over emo Ranka. Though I prefer Ranka's voice. Even though both have amazing voices.

I loved the ending. It was perfect. Thank god Alto didn't choose between the two; you could tell how amazing both were. Tho', in the very end. I still cheer for Sheryl. Her lyrics, voice, songs, maturity, hair style and color! She deserves him!  

[Aneroph]

I see, so I should watch it in this order? I love my new speed x_x;;

Edit -- The movie has a full picture of Sheryl. I was wondering why Ranka or Alto weren't present but now that I thought deeper it would make sense to actually have a connection of Sheryl's story: Remember the picture that floated around with Sheryl's name on it and her mother? Her grandmother passed down the earrings to her daughter, telling her to let Sheryl wear them. So What exactly happened to Sheryl?! How did she end up in the slams? Who abandoned her? Etc etc. There has to be a big story behind all of that. You can't just "Oh, this happened" because the TV series clearly doesn't explain what happened. That's one point. The other point is Ranka and her Brother, (probably just few things that happened between them). And also Alto's. Tho' the movie supposedly to be based off of the TV series (with new scenes), I hope they do add these features in. I want to know more about Alto and Sheryl's story. Ranka was summed up enough to understand it.

Didn't they explain some of this in the series?

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Ranka's mother, Grace, and Sheryl's grandmother (I think) were all scientists working on discovering the secrets of the Vajra. Ranka's mother was infected with the virus unknowingly which is why Ranka had the ability to control the Vajra with her voice. They never come right out and say it, but it would be easy to assume that Sheryl's grandmother contracted the disease also and gave the ability to Sheryl (though it was more diluted since it went through two bloodlines). The connection was made with the earrings that Sheryl wears (explained somewhere in the last 2 episodes).

[newy]

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Ranka's mother, Grace, and Sheryl's grandmother (I think) were all scientists working on discovering the secrets of the Vajra. Ranka's mother was infected with the virus unknowingly which is why Ranka had the ability to control the Vajra with her voice. They never come right out and say it, but it would be easy to assume that Sheryl's grandmother contracted the disease also and gave the ability to Sheryl (though it was more diluted since it went through two bloodlines). The connection was made with the earrings that Sheryl wears (explained somewhere in the last 2 episodes).

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I'm not so sure if Sheryl's infection was inherited by her grandmother. They didn't mention that Mao Nome was infected and we don't know how long she's been studying the Vajra. So we don't know if Mao Nome was already pregnant with Sheryl's mother if she got infected.
For we have very little knowledge about the virus's background it could be that the Galaxy was already infected because the research was somehow connected with the companies on the Galaxy (I would guess) and Sheryl was one among the few that got infected in the slums or wheresoever.

It's difficult to say if she inherited the infection or if she got infected on the Galaxy.

[Mele]

I haven't seen Frontier since the last episode aired... I still prefer balls to the wall Sheryl over emo Ranka. Though I prefer Ranka's voice. Even though both have amazing voices.

I loved the ending. It was perfect. Thank god Alto didn't choose between the two; you could tell how amazing both were. Tho', in the very end. I still cheer for Sheryl. Her lyrics, voice, songs, maturity, hair style and color! She deserves him!  

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I would have felt bad for either girl if Alto had picked one of them. I liked how it ending ambiguously.

I feel obligated to add, "Hell no, Ranka deserved him," but the truth is, both of them very much deserved him but he simply didn't pick. Just because Sheryl is your favorite doesn't really mean only she deserves him. Songs and hair color are hardly enough for such a thing... Both girls did a ton for Alto and clearly felt the utmost affection for him.

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I think the conclusion to draw from this is that Alto would rather fly a jet than kiss a girl. Related:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4d3ZMT9emA

[Tatsujin]

Mele, color your text white or use spoilers. >_>;;

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Ranka's mother, Grace, and Sheryl's grandmother (I think) were all scientists working on discovering the secrets of the Vajra. Ranka's mother was infected with the virus unknowingly which is why Ranka had the ability to control the Vajra with her voice. They never come right out and say it, but it would be easy to assume that Sheryl's grandmother contracted the disease also and gave the ability to Sheryl (though it was more diluted since it went through two bloodlines). The connection was made with the earrings that Sheryl wears (explained somewhere in the last 2 episodes).

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I'm not so sure if Sheryl's infection was inherited by her grandmother. They didn't mention that Mao Nome was infected and we don't know how long she's been studying the Vajra. So we don't know if Mao Nome was already pregnant with Sheryl's mother if she got infected.
For we have very little knowledge about the virus's background it could be that the Galaxy was already infected because the research was somehow connected with the companies on the Galaxy (I would guess) and Sheryl was one among the few that got infected in the slums or wheresoever.

It's difficult to say if she inherited the infection or if she got infected on the Galaxy.

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They only outlined Sheryl's past. There wasn't a significant connection and both of you are doing it -- assuming stuff. We don't know. Another thing is how did she end up in Frontier? Her life? Etc. I want to know those things. The movie's poster has Sheryl all over it so I am rooting for her to be the main lead in that movie.

[Aneroph]

Mele, color your text white or use spoilers. >_>;;

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Ranka's mother, Grace, and Sheryl's grandmother (I think) were all scientists working on discovering the secrets of the Vajra. Ranka's mother was infected with the virus unknowingly which is why Ranka had the ability to control the Vajra with her voice. They never come right out and say it, but it would be easy to assume that Sheryl's grandmother contracted the disease also and gave the ability to Sheryl (though it was more diluted since it went through two bloodlines). The connection was made with the earrings that Sheryl wears (explained somewhere in the last 2 episodes).

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I'm not so sure if Sheryl's infection was inherited by her grandmother. They didn't mention that Mao Nome was infected and we don't know how long she's been studying the Vajra. So we don't know if Mao Nome was already pregnant with Sheryl's mother if she got infected.
For we have very little knowledge about the virus's background it could be that the Galaxy was already infected because the research was somehow connected with the companies on the Galaxy (I would guess) and Sheryl was one among the few that got infected in the slums or wheresoever.

It's difficult to say if she inherited the infection or if she got infected on the Galaxy.

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They only outlined Sheryl's past. There wasn't a significant connection and both of you are doing it -- assuming stuff. We don't know. Another thing is how did she end up in Frontier? Her life? Etc. I want to know those things. The movie's poster has Sheryl all over it so I am rooting for her to be the main lead in that movie.

The entire first half of the series was plastered with Sheryl's posters, I think you're doing the assuming now

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Really, they didn't even scratch the surface of Ranka's past either so most likely the movie will end up about everyone in general. We don't really know that much about Grace either I suppose, but I doubt the dead villain will get any screen time except in a few flashbacks. Still, I haven't seen anyone that has seen the beginning series and movies step forward and tell us just how much of each girls past you should already know about. Perhaps in the old series you learn everything about Dr. Nome and the connections we made up above were supposed to be implied if you watched the old series. Dangit....I think I might have to check out the older stuff and see if their any good.

[newy]

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Mao Nome was never mentioned in any of the old series. Her first appearance and mentioning was in Macross Zero. In the old ones she either didn't existed or Studio Nue didn't want to reveal her at these times

Edit: Sorry It was 9 am MEST when I wrote that, just before I wanted to ge to sleep after a night playing Tales of Symphonia (GameCube) on the Wii, hehe.

[Tatsujin]

Newy! The spoiler, fix it >_<

I'm starting from Macross Zero and leading the way as to what Newy recommended. I saw the old 1984 graphics, I was about to throw up. But I'm interested in characters and storyline.

Btw ... when you have a poster of the new movie with Sheryl all over it, you know who's the main story is going to focus on.

[Mele]

Mele, color your text white or use spoilers. >_>;;

You're right, my mistake. It slipped my mind since everyone in the thread for the past couple of pages has finished the series.

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They only outlined Sheryl's past. There wasn't a significant connection and both of you are doing it -- assuming stuff. We don't know. Another thing is how did she end up in Frontier? Her life? Etc. I want to know those things. The movie's poster has Sheryl all over it so I am rooting for her to be the main lead in that movie.

Ranka and Sheryl are both main characters in the show. That's how it is, and that's how it's always going to be. Sheryl's face was also on the cover of the Macross Frontier Vocal Collection but that doesn't mean she was the main part of the album. In fact, if I remember correctly, Ranka had a couple more songs than Sheryl.

Imo, if you let your affection for one character diminish your affection for the other, it really makes the series less enjoyable. I'm glad that I really liked both Ranka and Sheryl while watching the show, and that I still do now, although I favor Ranka. It made it more fun to appreciate and value both characters. A friend of mine watched it around the same time as me and he didn't like Sheryl at all. I felt that he was missing out on an important part of the series.

[Aneroph]

Imo, if you let your affection for one character diminish your affection for the other, it really makes the series less enjoyable. I'm glad that I really liked both Ranka and Sheryl while watching the show, and that I still do now, although I favor Ranka. It made it more fun to appreciate and value both characters. A friend of mine watched it around the same time as me and he didn't like Sheryl at all. I felt that he was missing out on an important part of the series.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Hating either of the girls would just ruin the show. I started out not liking Sheryl at all, but eventually I grew to like her about as much as Ranka (though I still don't like what the creators of the show did with her hair ). On the actual singing side of things I like Ranka a lot better. Just listen to Seryl Aimo then the original Aimo and it's clear who is the winner. I couldn't actually listen through the Sheryl version all the way.

[Tatsujin]

Mele, color your text white or use spoilers. >_>;;

You're right, my mistake. It slipped my mind since everyone in the thread for the past couple of pages has finished the series.

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They only outlined Sheryl's past. There wasn't a significant connection and both of you are doing it -- assuming stuff. We don't know. Another thing is how did she end up in Frontier? Her life? Etc. I want to know those things. The movie's poster has Sheryl all over it so I am rooting for her to be the main lead in that movie.

Ranka and Sheryl are both main characters in the show. That's how it is, and that's how it's always going to be. Sheryl's face was also on the cover of the Macross Frontier Vocal Collection but that doesn't mean she was the main part of the album. In fact, if I remember correctly, Ranka had a couple more songs than Sheryl.

Imo, if you let your affection for one character diminish your affection for the other, it really makes the series less enjoyable. I'm glad that I really liked both Ranka and Sheryl while watching the show, and that I still do now, although I favor Ranka. It made it more fun to appreciate and value both characters. A friend of mine watched it around the same time as me and he didn't like Sheryl at all. I felt that he was missing out on an important part of the series.

Your right, I'll give a little credit to Ranka. I still don't like her. =/

Imo, if you let your affection for one character diminish your affection for the other, it really makes the series less enjoyable. I'm glad that I really liked both Ranka and Sheryl while watching the show, and that I still do now, although I favor Ranka. It made it more fun to appreciate and value both characters. A friend of mine watched it around the same time as me and he didn't like Sheryl at all. I felt that he was missing out on an important part of the series.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Hating either of the girls would just ruin the show. I started out not liking Sheryl at all, but eventually I grew to like her about as much as Ranka (though I still don't like what the creators of the show did with her hair ). On the actual singing side of things I like Ranka a lot better. Just listen to Seryl Aimo then the original Aimo and it's clear who is the winner. I couldn't actually listen through the Sheryl version all the way.

>_>;; The song is alright, I prefer Arturia's song from Fate/Stay Night over it. If we're going to compare Macross Frontier songs only, I prefer Sheryl's Diamond Crevasse.

[Mele]

Took the words right out of my mouth. Hating either of the girls would just ruin the show. I started out not liking Sheryl at all, but eventually I grew to like her about as much as Ranka (though I still don't like what the creators of the show did with her hair ). On the actual singing side of things I like Ranka a lot better. Just listen to Seryl Aimo then the original Aimo and it's clear who is the winner. I couldn't actually listen through the Sheryl version all the way.

I also prefer Ranka's singing. Though I really enjoy Sheryl's voice, I generally only listen to her in the duets. The only song of hers I listen to on her own is Diamond Crevasse. You're right about the Aimo, though. Sheryl's rendition was absolutely terrible. Ranka transitions to Sheryl's songs much better than the reciprocal.

If we're talking about Macross songs, my top favorite is What 'bout my Star?@Formo with Ranka and Sheryl followed by Watashi no Kare wa Pilot by Ranka.

[Tatsujin]

Took the words right out of my mouth. Hating either of the girls would just ruin the show. I started out not liking Sheryl at all, but eventually I grew to like her about as much as Ranka (though I still don't like what the creators of the show did with her hair ). On the actual singing side of things I like Ranka a lot better. Just listen to Seryl Aimo then the original Aimo and it's clear who is the winner. I couldn't actually listen through the Sheryl version all the way.

I also prefer Ranka's singing. Though I really enjoy Sheryl's voice, I generally only listen to her in the duets. The only song of hers I listen to on her own is Diamond Crevasse. You're right about the Aimo, though. Sheryl's rendition was absolutely terrible. Ranka transitions to Sheryl's songs much better than the reciprocal.

If we're talking about Macross songs, my top favorite is What 'bout my Star?@Formo with Ranka and Sheryl followed by Watashi no Kare wa Pilot by Ranka.

My favorite is Lion, Northern Cross, Triangler, What 'bout My Star? (Sheryl on Stage), Welcome to My FanClub's Night! (Sheryl on Stage), and Infinity which are all by Sheryl only. The Nyan Nyan Special Service Medley (Tokumori) is with Sheryl and Ranka. No, I'm not being biased. Ranka's only good song is actually in the Nyan Nyan special service. If you listen to the Nyan Nyan song going 9:01 into it, that's like the epic favorite part!

[Aneroph]

Took the words right out of my mouth. Hating either of the girls would just ruin the show. I started out not liking Sheryl at all, but eventually I grew to like her about as much as Ranka (though I still don't like what the creators of the show did with her hair ). On the actual singing side of things I like Ranka a lot better. Just listen to Seryl Aimo then the original Aimo and it's clear who is the winner. I couldn't actually listen through the Sheryl version all the way.

I also prefer Ranka's singing. Though I really enjoy Sheryl's voice, I generally only listen to her in the duets. The only song of hers I listen to on her own is Diamond Crevasse. You're right about the Aimo, though. Sheryl's rendition was absolutely terrible. Ranka transitions to Sheryl's songs much better than the reciprocal.

If we're talking about Macross songs, my top favorite is What 'bout my Star?@Formo with Ranka and Sheryl followed by Watashi no Kare wa Pilot by Ranka.

My favorite is Lion, Northern Cross, Triangler, What 'bout My Star? (Sheryl on Stage), Welcome to My FanClub's Night! (Sheryl on Stage), and Infinity which are all by Sheryl only. The Nyan Nyan Special Service Medley (Tokumori) is with Sheryl and Ranka. No, I'm not being biased. Ranka's only good song is actually in the Nyan Nyan special service. If you listen to the Nyan Nyan song going 9:01 into it, that's like the epic favorite part!

I don't think you understand the definition of biased lol.

I still can't stop singing that darned 'Ninjin Love's you yeah' song. It's only like one minute long, but the music is so catchy. I also really like Ai Oboetemasuka, Aimo, Anata no Oto, Watashi no Kare wa Pilot, and that quick little Chinese restaurant music. I liked What 'bout my star a lot when I heard it on Kawaii-radio about 4 months ago, but I sort of played it too much at the time and killed it. On the Sheryl side I enjoy Diamond Crevasse, Northern Cross, and Lion. Best two songs on the whole album, SMS Shoutai no Uta (I imagine some day with my anime friends getting drunk, swinging a pint of ale around and singing this song, "Susume, susume esuemuesu! " lol) and of course the Triangler duet.

Oh, and 'Tally Ho' is really awesome as BG music. A few others from the BG I like, but I can't remember the names.

[Tatsujin]

Took the words right out of my mouth. Hating either of the girls would just ruin the show. I started out not liking Sheryl at all, but eventually I grew to like her about as much as Ranka (though I still don't like what the creators of the show did with her hair ). On the actual singing side of things I like Ranka a lot better. Just listen to Seryl Aimo then the original Aimo and it's clear who is the winner. I couldn't actually listen through the Sheryl version all the way.

I also prefer Ranka's singing. Though I really enjoy Sheryl's voice, I generally only listen to her in the duets. The only song of hers I listen to on her own is Diamond Crevasse. You're right about the Aimo, though. Sheryl's rendition was absolutely terrible. Ranka transitions to Sheryl's songs much better than the reciprocal.

If we're talking about Macross songs, my top favorite is What 'bout my Star?@Formo with Ranka and Sheryl followed by Watashi no Kare wa Pilot by Ranka.

My favorite is Lion, Northern Cross, Triangler, What 'bout My Star? (Sheryl on Stage), Welcome to My FanClub's Night! (Sheryl on Stage), and Infinity which are all by Sheryl only. The Nyan Nyan Special Service Medley (Tokumori) is with Sheryl and Ranka. No, I'm not being biased. Ranka's only good song is actually in the Nyan Nyan special service. If you listen to the Nyan Nyan song going 9:01 into it, that's like the epic favorite part!

I don't think you understand the definition of biased lol.

I still can't stop singing that darned 'Ninjin Love's you yeah' song. It's only like one minute long, but the music is so catchy. I also really like Ai Oboetemasuka, Aimo, Anata no Oto, Watashi no Kare wa Pilot, and that quick little Chinese restaurant music. I liked What 'bout my star a lot when I heard it on Kawaii-radio about 4 months ago, but I sort of played it too much at the time and killed it. On the Sheryl side I enjoy Diamond Crevasse, Northern Cross, and Lion. Best two songs on the whole album, SMS no Minnasan (I imagine some day with my anime friends getting drunk, swinging a pint of ale around and singing this song, "Susume, susume esuemuesu! " lol) and of course the Triangler duet.

Oh, and 'Tally Ho' is really awesome as BG music. A few others from the BG I like, but I can't remember the names.

whatever lol >_>;;

That song is like a minute song, it's a funny one. What got you so addicted to it?

[Aneroph]

That song is like a minute song, it's a funny one. What got you so addicted to it?

I just ran by it when I was listening to the soundtrack. I forgot where it was in the anime until I stopped and actually listened to the lyrics and remembered Ranka in the carrot suit. The lyrics are quite funny actually. The song talks about life and having dreams and decently serious things, but then it ends every phrase with "carrot loves you yeah". Most Japanese songs don't make a lot of sense, but I can't imagine what people would think as they pass someone on the street singing this.

So I just went through my OST list and counted how many songs each girl has. I counted only the songs that the girls didn't do together and I included every song that had the character listed as the artist. Can someone confirm that Ranka has 30 and Sheryl only has 13? That's extremely one sided. I went back and only counted the songs actually featuring the girls (no instrumentals or repeat songs unless the repeat changed/was a different version) and the numbers were 15 Ranka, 9 Sheryl. If I were a Sheryl fan I would demand a movie and a movie soundtrack featuring her

[newy]

When it comes to singing I do not distinguish between those two. They have both great voices and their songs are great!