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GoGeTa006 · « **Reply #400 on:** June 19, 2008, 05:17:32 AM »

Quote from: Deathchrono on June 19, 2008, 04:52:49 AM

I'm intreasted, can you go into more detail?

start with the fact that you cant move your own king into check. . .
=p

ETL19 · « **Reply #401 on:** June 19, 2008, 06:54:33 AM »

Quote from: GoGeTa006 on June 19, 2008, 05:17:32 AM

Quote from: Deathchrono on June 19, 2008, 04:52:49 AM
I'm intreasted, can you go into more detail?

start with the fact that you cant move your own king into check. . .
=p

bahh why don't you all read acouple of pages back where i posted the rules ffs and move on.

Nikran · « **Reply #402 on:** June 19, 2008, 07:50:52 AM »

Putting the chess aside, most of the so called great plans of this series rely on super human foresight thats normally reserved for god alone. There's just no way Lelouch or anyone else in the series could make a plan that so perfectly covered things they could not possibly predict. And yet they do it all the time like it's a breeze. Oh and the truly pathetic thing is their foresight turns on and off. It's on for the super strategy's and it's off for things that really shouldn't be a problem. Take Lelouch's rescue of Nunnally for example, where was his almighty planning then? 'Duh, she don't wanna cum with meh cuz im dewsd as Zewo!! Im so Stupiiid! Duh, maybes i shoulds have thought bout this sum, before i try'ed getting her backs!!' See? it's rediculous that they can become so thick as shit at the drop of a hat. If he was perma like that I could kick the crap outta him mentally. Hmm, a 3 year old prolly could too

nstgc · « **Reply #403 on:** June 19, 2008, 10:34:41 AM »

Just read backwards. Almost every post is on the subject of the massive amount of fail sown into the story.

Deathchrono · « **Reply #404 on:** June 19, 2008, 01:13:27 PM »

Quote from: Nikran on June 19, 2008, 07:50:52 AM

Putting the chess aside, most of the so called great plans of this series rely on super human foresight thats normally reserved for god alone. There's just no way Lelouch or anyone else in the series could make a plan that so perfectly covered things they could not possibly predict. And yet they do it all the time like it's a breeze. Oh and the truly pathetic thing is their foresight turns on and off. It's on for the super strategy's and it's off for things that really shouldn't be a problem. Take Lelouch's rescue of Nunnally for example, where was his almighty planning then? 'Duh, she don't wanna cum with meh cuz im dewsd as Zewo!! Im so Stupiiid! Duh, maybes i shoulds have thought bout this sum, before i try'ed getting her backs!!' See? it's rediculous that they can become so thick as shit at the drop of a hat. If he was perma like that I could kick the crap outta him mentally. Hmm, a 3 year old prolly could too

See your right about that. The reason they mess up is because they get cocky not that their "foresight" leaves them. Nunnally couldn't be saved cause she didn't want to. That was Lelouch's mistake. Underestimating someone is also one of his many mistakes. They always explained his reason of error. So I don't see how it can be godly like "foresight". Its manipulation, planning, and yes predicting the enemy's moves. It works out so good that its scary. Even tho he has several plans just incase they dont do what he wants? Sounds like a good strategist to me.

xShadow · « **Reply #405 on:** June 19, 2008, 02:44:10 PM »

Quote from: Deathchrono on June 19, 2008, 01:13:27 PM

Quote from: Nikran on June 19, 2008, 07:50:52 AM
Putting the chess aside, most of the so called great plans of this series rely on super human foresight thats normally reserved for god alone. There's just no way Lelouch or anyone else in the series could make a plan that so perfectly covered things they could not possibly predict. And yet they do it all the time like it's a breeze. Oh and the truly pathetic thing is their foresight turns on and off. It's on for the super strategy's and it's off for things that really shouldn't be a problem. Take Lelouch's rescue of Nunnally for example, where was his almighty planning then? 'Duh, she don't wanna cum with meh cuz im dewsd as Zewo!! Im so Stupiiid! Duh, maybes i shoulds have thought bout this sum, before i try'ed getting her backs!!' See? it's rediculous that they can become so thick as shit at the drop of a hat. If he was perma like that I could kick the crap outta him mentally. Hmm, a 3 year old prolly could too

See your right about that. The reason they mess up is because they get cocky not that their "foresight" leaves them. Nunnally couldn't be saved cause she didn't want to. That was Lelouch's mistake. Underestimating someone is also one of his many mistakes. They always explained his reason of error. So I don't see how it can be godly like "foresight". Its manipulation, planning, and yes predicting the enemy's moves. It works out so good that its scary. Even tho he has several plans just incase they dont do what he wants? Sounds like a good strategist to me.

The part where Lulu was going to convince Rolo to join his cause is an example of illogical stuff. He somehow makes it so that the bullet blows off just his arm. Lulu is also known as an absolutely shitty pilot; he seems to be able to turn his piloting skills on and off at will. Off when we need drama, and on when we need advancement in the plot...

That's only one example.

Nikran · « **Reply #406 on:** June 19, 2008, 03:17:45 PM »

Not to mention he knew exactly what to say to Rolo, even knew he longed for a family and was lonely at heart =P Now, i would conceed that he might work that one out through careful observation over a long period of time. But he just happend to 'Know' without any ground work. Oh and here's a perfect example of the godlike forsight. When Lelouch pointed the gun at Rolo and then Rolo had the gun and was behind Lelouch. This was the stage where Lulu comes out with 'HAHA, I know u can't control time cuz i've been watching the cloak asshole!!' Such unbelivable planning that includes every single variable, and predicts with 100% accuracy the out come of events is not within human capablity. Hence crystal ball powa was the only thing that let him pull that off

Deathchrono · « **Reply #407 on:** June 19, 2008, 05:18:00 PM »

Quote from: Nikran on June 19, 2008, 03:17:45 PM

Not to mention he knew exactly what to say to Rolo, even knew he longed for a family and was lonely at heart =P Now, i would conceed that he might work that one out through careful observation over a long period of time. But he just happend to 'Know' without any ground work. Oh and here's a perfect example of the godlike forsight. When Lelouch pointed the gun at Rolo and then Rolo had the gun and was behind Lelouch. This was the stage where Lulu comes out with 'HAHA, I know u can't control time cuz i've been watching the cloak asshole!!' Such unbelivable planning that includes every single variable, and predicts with 100% accuracy the out come of events is not within human capablity. Hence crystal ball powa was the only thing that let him pull that off

I can't deny that. Tho I'd love to continue with defending him, I can't. Or its not that I can't, I don't wanna type an essay. I admit defeat.

Just one last thing. Lulu rules and Code Geass is the best.

Nikran · « **Reply #408 on:** June 19, 2008, 05:33:36 PM »

Heh, I fully support Lelouch even though he's a bad guy(And despite how much i complain too). But then again this series is supposed to be everyones neither good nor evil. But outta all the characters im sure Suzaku is a devil in disguise and Lelouch was sent to kick his ass while also kicking his dads since he's a few steps short of demonic suzaku. Nothing would make me happier then Lelouch, Karren and C.C riding off into the sunset and Suzaku left paralised at the bottom of the worlds biggest landfill.

PS:- He'd also have to have so much brain damage that the only possible person in the universe who could fix him up would be Desty Nova from battle angel alita. Im sick to death of the gay resurrections of peeps who really should have just stayed dead. Orange Kun aint so bad. It's the damned geass mind reader peep who got shoot to death by the entire swat team and was still came back to life....

nstgc · « **Reply #409 on:** June 19, 2008, 09:03:39 PM »

Suzaku is too weak to be a devil. Lulu isn't bad, he just uses underhadned methods to obtain a selfish goal...partly. He has stated two goals, one is to kill his father (revenge) and the other is to make a place where his sister and he can life [C.O.P. Britan (White Supremacists)]. A goal he has made clear, but not announced to the viewers as an "offical" quest (these are always the hardest since they don't appear in your log) is his search for his mother which is different then revenge.

Lulu has shown himself to be thoughtful. While he looks at others, even close friends, as tools he does show obvious signs of remorse.

Nikran · « **Reply #410 on:** June 19, 2008, 09:19:31 PM »

Quote from: nstgc on June 19, 2008, 09:03:39 PM

Suzaku is too weak to be a devil. Lulu isn't bad, he just uses underhadned methods to obtain a selfish goal...partly. He has stated two goals, one is to kill his father (revenge) and the other is to make a place where his sister and he can life [C.O.P. Britan (White Supremacists)]. A goal he has made clear, but not announced to the viewers as an "offical" quest (these are always the hardest since they don't appear in your log) is his search for his mother which is different then revenge.

Lulu has shown himself to be thoughtful. While he looks at others, even close friends, as tools he does show obvious signs of remorse.

Ahahaha, he's too weak to be a devil huh? How about an imp then? Still demonic but more suited to someone of his standing. Gotta also remember that outta everyone in the series Lelouch has given back hope and pride to the japanse. So he's done some good in the world after all =P When u look at it in that context, Lelouch prolly wins the contest of doing the most good in the world.

nstgc · « **Reply #411 on:** June 19, 2008, 10:44:38 PM »

Suzaku is nothing. He is a shit of a man. He is superficial and narrow minded. Assume some man is wanted for "viscously" killing 20 people. Is he evil? Well, that depends on circumstance. If he murdered them because thats all he knows how to do and he has to do something, then how can you call him evil. This is a key difficulty in working towards world peace. Suzaku isn't evil, he is essential a good person, as seen in the beginning. He was and still is courageous and wanting to do what he thinks is right. Think of all the shit he's had to take from both the Britons and the Japanese. He endures in hopes of changing the world; to make it a better world. His hatred for Lulu is from the death of his love -- Euphoria-sama. He blames Zero for it, which is unavoidable since he was the one who (al beit accidentally) ordered the Euphoric Princess to kill everyone. Its understand able. Pussy >> Friends.

As for Lulu, everyone he's helped, aside from Karen, C.C, Suzaku, his sister and himself, was helped because it was in his own best interest. He has done a lot of good, but it wasn't intentional.

GoGeTa006 · « **Reply #412 on:** June 20, 2008, 02:20:28 AM »

Actually many plans arent really "godly". . .. . . . .

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well just a couple of plans arent godly. . .in the second season that is!
i mean the "battle plans" that he had on a normal bases in the first season were pretty real and stuff. . . first episodes of second season also were normal. . . and he got that intrusion by rolo so. . .even then his plan was already made and proceeeded as planned but he lost a good man.

mmm the plan that was like "WTF were did he get a map of the sea with the hidden constructions inside?" was when he commanded them from the submarine *even tough he broke his cellphone up. . . I mean i dont remember all the contacts in my cellphone dawg!

then this last battle. . . well the godsight was by the other dude not by lulu. . .lulus plan was exposed and stripped down to nothing but a naked chick!
i want to see how he gets out of "check mate" *cause apparently in Code Geass's world you can get yourself into check. . . and i guess you can get out of check mate*

nstgc · « **Reply #413 on:** June 20, 2008, 02:38:20 AM »

A naked chick with out the ass and tits!

The first season was within reason (it is a work of fiction after all), but the first several episodes of this season were simply wrong. Rolo's existence is wrong in fact. Its getting better.

Nikran · « **Reply #414 on:** June 20, 2008, 02:48:50 PM »

I think the best 2 plans (That aren't rediculous) in the frist and second series are the 'Lets knock the floor out under the enemy.' Im talking about the platform collapsing during the night of black rebellion and Lelouch's duel outside the embassy. Frist one threw all the brit units into mayhem and second one knocked everyone inside the chinese embassy itself giving the black knights a massive advantage. There quite realistic plans in terms of how easy they r to implement imo. All u need is to know how to collapse them, to control the direction in which they collapse and then u just need to lure your targets onto em.

GoGeTa006 · « **Reply #415 on:** June 21, 2008, 12:05:10 AM »

Quote from: Nikran on June 20, 2008, 02:48:50 PM

I think the best 2 plans (That aren't rediculous) in the frist and second series are the 'Lets knock the floor out under the enemy.' Im talking about the platform collapsing during the night of black rebellion and Lelouch's duel outside the embassy. Frist one threw all the brit units into mayhem and second one knocked everyone inside the chinese embassy itself giving the black knights a massive advantage. There quite realistic plans in terms of how easy they r to implement imo. All u need is to know how to collapse them, to control the direction in which they collapse and then u just need to lure your targets onto em.

how bout when he pulled the same one on season 2?
who ever tought lelouch knew how to skate with a shield huh?
totally realistic =)
I guess they played tony hawk there too. . .

Nikran · « **Reply #416 on:** June 21, 2008, 12:28:08 AM »

I forgot about the skate boarding part, thats why i thought it was 100% ok

In Which case i'd be more or less right =P It don't help for the realism factor that Lelouch sucks at Knightmare piloting (Or more the case he's just an avarage guy in a world of eiltes, making em look crap) and having him pull off some advanced knightmare manuver. 1 min he can see the future, next min he can't. 1 min he's an avarage knightmare pilot, next min he's transformed into the Tony hawk of the code geass world. It would appear his persona is in a state of flux allowing him to become whatever he needs to be....

Ya know i still miss Lelouch's giant duel piloted knightmare. I reckon Lelouch's brains + C.C's coolness combined inside that machine could overpower gay twat Suzaku and his Fags-alot. Yeh, im in the mood for bashing Suzaku more then usual =P

Deathchrono · « **Reply #417 on:** June 21, 2008, 05:01:03 PM »

Quote from: Nikran on June 21, 2008, 12:28:08 AM

I forgot about the skate boarding part, thats why i thought it was 100% ok In Which case i'd be more or less right =P It don't help for the realism factor that Lelouch sucks at Knightmare piloting (Or more the case he's just an avarage guy in a world of eiltes, making em look crap) and having him pull off some advanced knightmare manuver. 1 min he can see the future, next min he can't. 1 min he's an avarage knightmare pilot, next min he's transformed into the Tony hawk of the code geass world. It would appear his persona is in a state of flux allowing him to become whatever he needs to be....

Ya know i still miss Lelouch's giant duel piloted knightmare. I reckon Lelouch's brains + C.C's coolness combined inside that machine could overpower gay twat Suzaku and his Fags-alot. Yeh, im in the mood for bashing Suzaku more then usual =P

Suzaku hater? Thats cool, I don't really like him either. He's quite selfish guy when it comes to his ideals. Even tho he's trying to change the world from inside. How much actual good has he done? Lulu has done more even if it wasn't his orginal intention. I still felt bad when Lulu messed up and killed Euphie.

nstgc · « **Reply #418 on:** June 21, 2008, 07:34:06 PM »

Suzaku's actions are pretty low and irrational. It would be very easy to develope a hatred for the guy. I don't hate him, but I am annoyed and wish someone would hurry up and kill him. But as I said, he is not evil, he's just pissed. Lulu killed his piece of ass. I'd be pissed of as well.

beezer08 · « **Reply #419 on:** June 22, 2008, 06:50:45 AM »

This show seems to be finally starting to pick up after some time, thankfully. But I'm still quite sick of the uncanny coincidences/luck that happens in this show. Are any of the main characters in the Black Knights ever going to die in battle when they lose a fight? I'm still fucking amazed that Kallen is still alive after all the close calls she's had.....but I guess the show still needs her for fanservice.

Edit: Now that I think about it, the lack of death at battles in this show is quite annoying all around IMO.