Light Yagami gets my vote for All-Time Bastard

[Temuthril]

I meant the thing they aired when episode 12 was supposed to air.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFbY9swCI8U

Nice boat.

[blakbunnie27]

... You got my hopes up for nothing. And now, I was waiting in the snow with my laptop until I was basically covered in snow. Now, I think I need to go kill someone. *heads to the kitchen to look for a nice knife*

[s1ay]

Light Yagami was awesome... But Lelouch would own him so hard.

[Tatsujin]

Light Yagami was awesome... But Lelouch would own him so hard.

That's pretty hard. I wouldn't know who I would vote for ... both are very good villians.

[nstgc]

Light Yagami was awesome... But Lelouch would own him so hard.

That's pretty hard. I wouldn't know who I would vote for ... both are very good villians.

Uh, no they aren't. While in case of DN you could argue that there was no "bad side" or "good side" (none that mattered at least), Lulu is definitely the good guy. He's dirty and underhanded, but think Dirty Harry.

[iindigo]

Light Yagami was awesome... But Lelouch would own him so hard.

That's pretty hard. I wouldn't know who I would vote for ... both are very good villians.

Uh, no they aren't. While in case of DN you could argue that there was no "bad side" or "good side" (none that mattered at least), Lulu is definitely the good guy. He's dirty and underhanded, but think Dirty Harry.

Definitely agree. Lelouch wants results and he wants them NOW, and that's something being all politically correct and afraid of getting your hands dirty won't do.

[nstgc]

Lulu has repeatedly shown concern for a number of people, even those that can't help him (although this is rare). Light on the other hand, while a good guy and a bad ass, is also a bastard. There isn't a single person whom he doesn't find expendable. He is as cold and heartless as they get...which is also one of the things that makes him so awesome.

[Hadouken]

Eh, I might start watching Death Note again..Kinda dropped it after episode 20

[psyren]

If you think those guys are bad, go see Tosca (the opera written by Puccini). The character Scarpia has got to be the biggest $#%@%$@%$@&$^%&^$@^$&%&%^#$!$@#!%%&&(&*)((*&(^&*#$%^&# ever.

[blakbunnie27]

Eh, I might start watching Death Note again..Kinda dropped it after episode 20

I wouldn't recommend watching anything after the first arc. The series died after that.

[nstgc]

Eh, I might start watching Death Note again..Kinda dropped it after episode 20

I wouldn't recommend watching anything after the first arc. The series died after that.

Nope. As Ace said, you should just craft your own ending once L dies in which Light's dream comes true.

[ett]

Eh, I might start watching Death Note again..Kinda dropped it after episode 20

I wouldn't recommend watching anything after the first arc. The series died after that.

Nope. As Ace said, you should just craft your own ending once !BLIEP! in which Light's dream comes true.

SPOILER !

[nstgc]

Yes, one that has been said so many times its not worth using spoiler tags for. Its like saying Santa Claus isn't real.

[Deathchrono]

Uh huh.... and you're smarter than Light because....

Light was smart
L was smart
Melo was semi-smart
Near was like a retard with a blindfold in the dark shooting a shotgun at light while facing the wrong direction. He only hit light in the end because the writer decided to mess with his weapon and give him heat seeking missles (metaphorically)

Light is smart academicly, and yet he's stupid because...

1. He gave the people looking for him a trail to follow. Like wtf? He was pretty much the invincable, uncaptureable killer. If he were't a sadistic, egomaniac who couldn't help but kill anyone looking for him, they'd never have any leads to work with. If he was so smart he'd work out even if they knew Kira was a student, even if they invistigated every student in the region, the odds of being caught would still be next to nill. His killing L's invistigators did exactly the opposite and he should have known that would be the case.

2.He decided the best course of action was to reveal the deathnote. Oh yes, smart move, get rid of your problems by giving them the biggest bit of info that revealed everything to them and puts u at a disadvantage. He thinks inside such a small box, eg:- 'I need L's name to kill him!!!' Light had the names of all the people who hang around L 24/7. Why not use all of them to go suicide bomber on him? Once they blew themselfs up and L with them all problems solved.

Thats what make Deathnote a great story, in essence. They added the human factor so to speak. Ego, confidence, its all the downfall of man. Great story, ok anime, great manga.

[Azurian]

Griffith from Berserk gets my vote.
I know this isn't a versus thread, but still.

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First he sacrifices every single one of his friends (Band of the Hawk, his personal army), who would do anything for him, just to save himself, and become a "god".

Then he rapes Caska, Guts' (the main character) girlfriend right in front of him, causing Guts to go batshit insane and cut off his own arm to save her. He runs towards them, killing countless demons with his broken sword, while the blood is gushing out of his right arm, just to get struck down right in front of her, and get his right eye crushed by one of Griffith's new servants. The last thing his right eye sees, is the love of his life being raped by his best friend.
The worst part is that she wakes up during all of this, and seems to be enjoying it.

She begs Guts not to watch.

After the rape, Gaiseric, the Skull Knight comes crashing down, and saves both Guts and Caska.

2 years later, Guts finally finds Griffith, or more like the other way around... The only thing Griffith has to say is "I came to see if there was anything to sway my heart... But it seems that I am free."

Also, Guts and Griffith had known each other for nearly 10 years, and were best friends. At least Guts thought of Griffith as a friend. Griffith thought of Guts as an irreplaceable object, he could use whenever he wanted.

TL;DR: Griffith is the most evil dickhole of a villain of all time.


Something along those lines.
I haven't read, or watched Berserk in over a year. The story is pretty complex. *head implodes*

Light is like a fucking angel compared to him. Srlsy.

[iindigo]

After watching the last ep of DN a night or two ago, I feel that the way Near treated Light wasn't quite right... Right after Light explains how his actions have made the world incredibly more peaceful, Near doesn't even take a second thought and instantly replies with, "No, Light Yagami, you're nothing but a cold-blooded murder with delusions of being a god."

It just pissed me off a little, because even though Light is a bastard you've gotta admire him for throwing his soul away for the sake of making the world a decent place for honest people to live in.

[nstgc]

You seem to be forgetting something very important -- Near was an immature retard. Just as a child can't understand why nations go to war, Near, unlike L, could never comprehend something as "complex" as "if you all the bad people, crime will go down". This isn't the same as capital punishment where people are killed by the government after a trial. These people are killed by a god (Light may be human, but the entity Kira is not...something else Near could never understand) and not always after a trial. While lacking in justice, it is fair. I'm sure Light accidentally killed people he shouldn't have, but he was fair about it (he didn't play favorites). So not only were more criminals dying (which actually inhibited the ability for the "bad guys" to do bad things) it also would have produced a "God's Judgment" feeling. Nothing says "control" like "divine will".

These things are too abstract and complex for Near. Now, if Light instead said "here kid, I'll give you a sucker if you just hurry up and die" he may have won, but "dude, look, the world is a better place because of me already and it'lll only get better" is pointless. And for those doubters, they even say at the beginning of the second season that Light's plan was effective so there was little room for 'tard boy to argue.

Also, @Auzrian, Griffith was far from being the greatest bastard of all. Recall, assuming you have watched/read death note, that Light scarified his own father while lying to him (strait-faced no less) and killed his supporters. Also, Grifith had an extremely shitty life. From the anime he had tongue cut out so he couldn't speak, his tends in his wrists cut so he could never fight, and his tendons in his legs slashed so he couldn't stand no less walk or run. Half starved and probably throughly raped, his life was hell. Given the circumstances, I bet most people would have ended up in a similarly twisted state. Certainly they would hate Gutsu. What was lights plight? He was bored? He was a strait A pretty boy would could have had anything he wanted. He was loved and respected up until the final episode.

Light is still the greater Bastard. He also is one of the greatest anime characters ever (meaning top 25). Griffith is pretty cool and he is a bastard, but he isn't even in the top 10 bastards, or top 100 greatest. Suitengu would make for a good #2 if his life didn't suck as bad as it did (of all the "villains" he has had the hardest life in my opinion as he was abused emotionally, physically, and mentally to an extreme degree then life shat on him).

[edit] Suitengu is from Speed Grapher by the way. Like Light, he was actual a good guy, however, he has a long list of offenses.:

1) murder
2) abuse of power (I find this to be a serious transgression)
3) he gave a little girl hormones to prevent her from entering puberty so he could brain wash her into working a fetish club
4) Like Griffith (after his "ascension") and Light (he was born a bastard) Suitengu was guiltless in his acts, but unlike Light, he was at one time a normal kid. Griffith was always a bit of a dick.

[Dakkar]

Death Note's storyline, character development, and morality are simply inconsistent. Authors started off pretty well, but then for the sake of intrigue, tension, and proper moral image of the work they began to screw with characters and the rules they introduced themselves. It's quite annoying to see guys able to think through unbelievably complicated schemes making stupid mistakes just for show to continue. As the result, Light's personality became contradictory to the extent when he didn't look like a complete character.

BTW, it was really funny to see Near prosecuting Light and praising Mello at the same time in the last episode. Sure, it's not a problem that Mello was basically a criminal, who was associated with mafia, was kidnapping people, was killing Near's own comrades, etc, etc... It's totally fine to call him hero and use him to catch Kira, who is definitely a bad guy. Naturally, together they're greater than L, who never used such methods and thus did have a right to accuse Light of being criminal.

[nstgc]

And where did the characters go astray? Light was a surprisingly static character and L dies. Near is static. Misa Misa base character never changes. The attitudes and opinions of the cops does change, but not only are they insignificant, but the chances are logical.

[Dakkar]

Well, Light developed quite a bit. If you compare an idealistic boy in the beginning to the the guy in the end of the series, the difference is pretty obvious and it's not entirely due to getting mature. At start, Kira despised any use of the Note other than passing judgement on the criminals, then he included whose who directly pursue him in the list, next, started to use others to do the killings, and by the end he was already up to killing his own sister, playing to death his father, and forcing his own allies to commit suicide. This, BTW, is one of the flaws of the story - if he already goes that far, then why not threat politicians into giving away his pursuers, as other Kiras did? OK, L was financially independent and had no links to particular government, so with the brain of his it's believable that he could hide as long as people dying because of him is no bother, but with Near situation was totally different, and by that time Light was corrupted enough to act likewise.
Misa personality is totally inconsistent. At certain moments she's just completely dumb and whining loli, on other occasions she shows rather developed intellect. Not to mention her obsession with Light seems unnatural at times.
L was good overall. He was the manga authors' favorite character, so they handled him properly.
Near... Well, the person who claims the highest moral standards while thinking of his subordinates as expendable resources, not to mention his relations with Mello, but completely trusted by other SPK and japanese group members looks strange. With the methods he's using in mind, it's not clear why he simply didn't kill Light in order to show that the killings would stop. And yeah, the divine revelations he receives every five minutes are quite annoying...
Mello was just psychopathic teen with all the complexes of his age. He's just a mess and so is neither developing, nor interesting.