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LONDON (Reuters) - Embaressed by yor spelling? Never you mind.
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Fed up with his students' complete inability to spell common English correctly, a British academic has suggested it may be time to accept "variant spellings" as legitimate.

Rather than grammarians getting in a huff about "argument" being spelled "arguement" or "opportunity" as "opertunity," why not accept anything that's phonetically (fonetickly anyone?) correct as long as it can be understood?

"Instead of complaining about the state of the education system as we correct the same mistakes year after year, I've got a better idea," Ken Smith, a criminology lecturer at Bucks New University, wrote in the Times Higher Education Supplement.

"University teachers should simply accept as variant spelling those words our students most commonly misspell."

To kickstart his proposal, Smith suggested 10 common misspellings that should immediately be accepted into the pantheon of variants, including "ignor," "occured," "thier," "truely," "speach" and "twelth" (it should be "twelfth").

Then of course there are words like "misspelt" (often spelled "mispelt"), not to mention "varient," a commonly used variant of "variant."

And that doesn't even begin to delve into all the problems English people have with words that use the letters "i" and "e" together, like weird, seize, leisure, foreign and neighbor.

The rhyme "i before e except after c" may be on the lips of every schoolchild in Britain, but that doesn't mean they remember the rule by the time they get to university.

Of course, such proposals have been made in the past. The advent of text messaging turned many students into spelling neanderthals as phrases such as "wot r u doin 2nite?" became socially, if not academically, acceptable.

Despite Smith's suggestion, language mavens are unconvinced. John Simpson, the chief editor of the Oxford English Dictionary, says rules are rules and they are there for good reason.

"There are enormous advantages in having a coherent system of spelling," he told the Times newspaper.

"It makes it easier to communicate. Maybe during a learning phase there is some scope for error, but I would hope that by the time people get to university they have learnt to spell."

Yet even some of Britain's greatest wordsmiths have acknowledged it's a language with irritating quirkiness.

Playwright George Bernard Shaw was fond of pointing out that the word "ghoti" could just as well be pronounced "fish" if you followed common pronunciation: 'gh' as in "tough," 'o' as in "women" and 'ti' as in "nation."

And he was a playright.

I think a few hundred years in the future, after Western society has finished it's slow dissent and crashed outright (and hopefully rebounded; and not as a giant Islamic theocracy) I think historians will look back at this train of thought and pin it as a major source of our faggotry.

I've always had a general dislike of America's education system, and the more I hear about what they have going on in western Europe the more I think they're in the same boat as us. Now I've discovered Britain's version of ebonics. Except it isn't for black urban youths who spell phonetically (who exasperate the problem by also pronouncing words incorrectly). No, this time it's for dumbass white kids.

Well, I guess if black kids in California get a shot at making it happen then so should whitey over there in the UK. I suppose you could call it equality in action.

I want to stress one statement in the article though.

"University teachers should simply accept as variant spelling those words our students most commonly misspell."

Yeah, that's right. We're not talking about elementary, middle, or high school (or whatever you guys have on the other side of the ocean). No, we're talking about fucking college.

On an unrelated note. Our future historians will also contribute to mathematics in the form of a simple equation.

T + B + P = KFC

For a pictorial example, please see here: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/nates1984/bricks-equal-kfc.jpg

The more we dumb down society, the more crap like that will happen. Of course, this faggotry this will continue. We'll lower the passing grade more and more and give people who assault police chicken for one simple reason.

The bleeding heart liberals tell us we might hurt their wittle feelings.

Ultimately, I think that's what this education bullshit is all about. I say bring back red ink and dodge ball. If they spell a word wrong write a giant red X on their paper and use a large black marker to write "You fucking fail!" It'd have to be all big like though, you can't pussify that shit and retain the intended effect.

Interestingly enough, that article was just the site I wished to dump that rant. The real source can be found here.

http://www.cracked.com/article_15231_7-reasons-21st-century-making-you-miserable.html

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#5. We don't get criticized enough.

Most of what sucks about not having close friends isn't the missed birthday parties or the sad, single-player games of ping pong with the wall. No, what sucks is the lack of real criticism.

In my time online I've been called "fag" approximately 104,165 times. I keep an Excel spreadsheet. I've also been called "asshole" and "cockweasel" and "fuckcamel" and "cuntwaffle" and "shitglutton" and "porksword" and "wangbasket" and "shitwhistle" and "thundercunt" and "fartminge" and "shitflannel" and "knobgoblin" and "boring."

And none of it mattered, because none of those people knew me well enough to really hit the target. I've been insulted lots, but I've been criticized very little. And don't ever confuse the two. An insult is just someone who hates you making a noise to indicate their hatred. A barking dog. Criticism is someone trying to help you, by telling you something about yourself that you were a little too comfortable not knowing.

~~Imagine picture of giant transvestite here~~
Above: A flamboyant transvestite with about
five times as many friends as the average person

Tragically, there are now a whole lot of people who never have those conversations. The interventions, the brutal honesty, the, "you know, everybody's pissed off because of what you said last night, but nobody wants to say anything because they're afraid of you," sort of conversations. Those horrible, awkward, wrenchingly uncomfortable sessions that you can only have with someone who sees right to the center of you.

E-mail and texting are awesome tools for avoiding that level of honesty. With text, you can respond when you feel like it. You can measure your words. You can pick and choose which questions to answer. The person on the other end can't see your face, can't see you get nervous, can't detect when you're lying. You have almost total control and as a result that other person never sees past your armor, never sees you at your worst, never knows the embarrassing little things about yourself that you can't control. Gone are the common quirks, humiliations and vulnerabilities that real friendships are built on.

Browse around people's MySpace pages, look at the characters they create for themselves. If you've built a pool of friends via a blog, building yourself up as a misunderstood, mysterious Master of the Night, it's kind of hard to log on and talk about how you went to prom and got diarrhea out on the dance floor. You never get to really be yourself, and that's a very lonely feeling.

And, on top of all that ...

This is all very related.

Welcome to western society. Enjoy your miserable life, but at least you can say it "sux" on your college paper and not get a point taken away for spelling. At least in Britain.

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LONDON (Reuters) - Embaressed by yor spelling? Never you mind.
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Fed up with his students' complete inability to spell common English correctly, a British academic has suggested it may be time to accept "variant spellings" as legitimate.

Rather than grammarians getting in a huff about "argument" being spelled "arguement" or "opportunity" as "opertunity," why not accept anything that's phonetically (fonetickly anyone?) correct as long as it can be understood?

"Instead of complaining about the state of the education system as we correct the same mistakes year after year, I've got a better idea," Ken Smith, a criminology lecturer at Bucks New University, wrote in the Times Higher Education Supplement.

"University teachers should simply accept as variant spelling those words our students most commonly misspell."

To kickstart his proposal, Smith suggested 10 common misspellings that should immediately be accepted into the pantheon of variants, including "ignor," "occured," "thier," "truely," "speach" and "twelth" (it should be "twelfth").

Then of course there are words like "misspelt" (often spelled "mispelt"), not to mention "varient," a commonly used variant of "variant."

And that doesn't even begin to delve into all the problems English people have with words that use the letters "i" and "e" together, like weird, seize, leisure, foreign and neighbor.

The rhyme "i before e except after c" may be on the lips of every schoolchild in Britain, but that doesn't mean they remember the rule by the time they get to university.

Of course, such proposals have been made in the past. The advent of text messaging turned many students into spelling neanderthals as phrases such as "wot r u doin 2nite?" became socially, if not academically, acceptable.

Despite Smith's suggestion, language mavens are unconvinced. John Simpson, the chief editor of the Oxford English Dictionary, says rules are rules and they are there for good reason.

"There are enormous advantages in having a coherent system of spelling," he told the Times newspaper.

"It makes it easier to communicate. Maybe during a learning phase there is some scope for error, but I would hope that by the time people get to university they have learnt to spell."

Yet even some of Britain's greatest wordsmiths have acknowledged it's a language with irritating quirkiness.

Playwright George Bernard Shaw was fond of pointing out that the word "ghoti" could just as well be pronounced "fish" if you followed common pronunciation: 'gh' as in "tough," 'o' as in "women" and 'ti' as in "nation."

And he was a playright.

I think a few hundred years in the future, after Western society has finished its slow dissent and crashed outright (and hopefully rebounded; and not as a giant Islamic theocracy) I think historians will look back at this train of thought and pin it as a major source of our faggotry.

I've always had a general dislike of America's education system, and the more I hear about what they have going on in western Europe the more I think they're in the same boat as us. Now I've discovered Britain's version of ebonics. Except it isn't for black urban youths who spell phonetically (who exacerbate the problem by also pronouncing words incorrectly). No, this time it's for dumbass white kids.

a couple of corrections for you.

it's --> its. the sentence requires a possessive.
exasperate --> exacerbate. exasperate means to annoy, exacerbate means to make worse.

The linear nature of your Euclidean geometry both confounds and befuddles me.

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Damn so long made me lost interest after reading the first sentence :P

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ohwel liek any1 realy realy cares this days.




no, i actually do care and shit, highschool kids shouldn't be spelling things wrong, let alone your-parents-pay-shitload-to-get-you-edumacated university students.

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Seriously, I think it's a dumb idea to accept these "variants". What does it REALLY do? Nothing. It just makes those people look dumb when they go out in the real world and they won't even realize it until it's too late.
It's one thing when you are lenient on tests, but if you want to change the rules just to pass a bunch of people are too damn lazy to run a spell check on their essays, then they just need to fail.
It's one thing to baby young kids, but why should adults be babied this way?

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Eventually, everyone will be so lazy that they'll just spell things however they like.
I do not want to see 7320948327 variations of one word.

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Eventually, everyone will be so lazy that they'll just spell things however they like.
I do not want to see 7320948327 variations of one word.

Agreed. I mean, the manditory "High School Diploma" issue was retarded. Just because you have the intellect of Paris Hilton and the attention span of an ADHD kid on crack... doesn't mean you deserve a diploma for sitting through High School (Or skipping all the classes but being enrolled).

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We have this problem here in Brazil, but that's because our oral grammar has changed so much that while writing, we are using very different languages. Well, not that different, but it's different. Many important scholars have stated that we must change the official grammar and what not, seeing we are using the same grammar as the Portuguese use, while speak differently.

Thinking about it, this is different, at least we want to keep standards, not trying to make 3 similar spellings correct. This is just retarded, offering this option for discussion just shows how some educators are unwilling: if a student spells "knowledge" as "nollege", you make him correct his mistake, not instigate further misspellings.

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Eventually, everyone will be so lazy that they'll just spell things however they like.
I do not want to see 7320948327 variations of one word.

Agreed. I mean, the manditory "High School Diploma" issue was retarded. Just because you have the intellect of Paris Hilton and the attention span of an ADHD kid on crack... doesn't mean you deserve a diploma for sitting through High School (Or skipping all the classes but being enrolled).



Huh?

I've never liked how things are spelled, but to allow any spelling so long as it sounds right is retarded. If there would be a change I do think we need to change towards a more phonetic spelling. Most words aren't spelled in a way that makes sense. Sometimes this can't be avoided since some words sound the same but can be distinqued by their spelling.

However, no matter what, 1 spelling for each word. Other wise its just a mess.

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Eventually, everyone will be so lazy that they'll just spell things however they like.
I do not want to see 7320948327 variations of one word.

Agreed. I mean, the manditory "High School Diploma" issue was retarded. Just because you have the intellect of Paris Hilton and the attention span of an ADHD kid on crack... doesn't mean you deserve a diploma for sitting through High School (Or skipping all the classes but being enrolled).



Huh?

I've never liked how things are spelled, but to allow any spelling so long as it sounds right is retarded. If there would be a change I do think we need to change towards a more phonetic spelling. Most words aren't spelled in a way that makes sense. Sometimes this can't be avoided since some words sound the same but can be distinqued by their spelling.

However, no matter what, 1 spelling for each word. Other wise its just a mess.

Sorry, I had more to say but quickly posted when nI had to head out.

We used to get dinged for multiple possible spellings of American English and British English. Stuff like, "color vs colour. Center vs centre. etc." But after a while, they stopped doing that. But other "Spelling errors? God damn those piss me off." Do you know how many times I've read "notes" that say shit like, "Deposettid $400 in the bank." or "Baught suplies" and stuff while working at the hotel? Like... HOLY HELL! How can spelling be that bad??
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Yeah, typos aside, I wouldn't even do that.

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My Sociology teacher DID tell me that, excluding English specific courses, other courses like Sociology, or any essay required courses that  aren't English courses are to be more lenient on bad spelling. (It's totally ignored on hand written tests and everything) Why? Microsoft Word will find the errors for you. And showing too many typos = you didn't even bother using spell check for 2 minutes. It's not totally ignored. You still get a max of a "D" if you have more than 2-3 errors in 100 words. (Arbitrary decision for the teacher) It's because there's stuff like "read vs red or reed" that show up and we miss them from time to time, or grammatical errors. As long as there aren't too many of them, the teacher can let it slide.

But seriously, unless it's a written paper, I don't think spelling should be allowed to fully slide. Is it that fucking hard to use spell check? I understand on a written paper (by hand) where you might goof some spelling like "I before E except after C or sounded as A as in neighbor and weigh." or just some stuff you can't recall how to spell.... but beyond that... WHY?
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I'm gunna go ahead and blame MTV... And the fact that people are idiots.

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I'm gunna go ahead and blame MTV... And the fact that people are idiots.

I'm going to blame school. They take stuff out because they "assume" the students know how. That includes spelling, grammar etc from elementary school and jr high.

Ever taken a TOEFL exam or equivalent? That shit is HARD. Even for a native english speaker. And international students have to pass it to get into our post secondary schools.
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Kids nowadays never study at all. At least when you play games and browse the internet you get some random knowledge. It got me through all of elementary and middle school, and first 2 years of high school without ever having to study at all. But when all you do is watch MTV... your brain disintegrates.

But yea, the american school system is retarded. The Honors classes at our school are actually easier than the regular cp classes.

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Thats the Halo Effect at work.

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Kids nowadays never study at all. At least when you play games and browse the internet you get some random knowledge. It got me through all of elementary and middle school, and first 2 years of high school without ever having to study at all. But when all you do is watch MTV... your brain disintegrates.

But yea, the american school system is retarded. The Honors classes at our school are actually easier than the regular cp classes.

Ok, let's see. When I grew up, I was poor. So basically, I read books. Up till about grade 5 anyways. Afterwards, sometime after that (forget when) I began playing the Gameboy more often, and same with the SNES. But I still had enough from those years of reading to last me for a long time. (They tested me as being at a grade 10 reading level in grade 3 or 4 because they couldn't test any further). But nowadays, kids don't read. I recall an article about people being "Alliterate" where they don't read unless necessary. Kids grow up with fucking "spongefag squareass" and other retarded characters. I mean come on. No matter how much tv we watched when we were young, at least we could have said we watched Magic Schoolbus and Sesame Street. (Which is somewhat educational and not mind numbing)

Nowadays kids live off addictinggames.com, youtube.com, facebook.com, halo3, msn/others and email. Seriously is it THAT hard to see why they're stupid?
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Oh yea. I remember I read a lot too. Read The BFG by Roald Daul in 4th grade. Then my brother got me into Dragon Lance and Forgotten Realms in 6th grade. Well, carrying around 1000 page anthologies about dragons didn't help my social status, but whatever, I was in 6th grade and was damn smarter than anyone else in my class.

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Roald Dahl is fucking God.

His adult novels and stuff was really good too. (Still need to find a good copy and order it... but I know it costs upwards of 300 USD for the hardcore hardcover edition.

Hell in Grade 3 and 4 I read almost 90% of all of the stories Roald Dahl wrote. (missing some of his other stories I couldn't find) I polished everything I could find in the Library.

I still say "Bitch" is one of Roald Dahl's finest short stories. Revolting rhymes was fucking genius, and Vicar of Nibbleswick was clever and good for giggles.

But nowadays, say, "Charlie and the chocolate factory"... and everyone says, "Wasn't that a Hollywood movie?"

>_> It used to be the other way around.
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Hollywood used to be good... until... well there wasn't exactly a time... More like it just secretly became asshole and then came outta the closet. I gotta reread some of dhal's stuff.