New key word system and Wiki

[rpger81]

I see that the Wiki is already biased... figures that the 2 players that come with CCCP are the only ones labeled as good

[MarchHare]

I see that the Wiki is already biased... figures that the 2 players that come with CCCP are the only ones labeled as good

maybe because they are
if you dont like it you can go change it, i dont really care.

but they are labelled as good for a good reason. CCCP was designed specifically to play video files that are created by all fansub groups, therefore making the included players the best choice.

if you have any grievances, please feel free to explain on the discussion board
be sure to mark you entry with four tildes (~~~~)

[psyren]

It's not biased, it's honest.

Biased would be 'VLC gives you cancer, so do Macs'.

[keik]

VLC Media Player (Bad Player)

Bad joke right ? It plays movies even when extension is changed from ".mkv" to ".zomglol" and I have only once problem with subtitles because some lame coder wrote few lines in a wrong way.
Thought, had huge problems/crashes with so called, "good players" from that list.

Should a "good player" be as instal and ready to use ? Ok You might got program "X" and spend time to make it perfect working but it's for at least advanced users. VLC is just: "instal codecs, instal vlc, reset, her'ya go - ready to use".

There should be also ALShow on the list - used it for about two years, pretty nice soft but, I might be wrong, it does not support matroska. (website: http://www.altools.com/ALTools/ALShow.aspx)

[psyren]

No, it is a ridiculously crap player, which is why it is marked as such.

[MarchHare]

VLC Media Player (Bad Player)

Bad joke right ? It plays movies even when extension is changed from ".mkv" to ".zomglol" and I have only once problem with subtitles because some lame coder wrote few lines in a wrong way.
Thought, had huge problems/crashes with so called, "good players" from that list.

Should a "good player" be as instal and ready to use ? Ok You might got program "X" and spend time to make it perfect working but it's for at least advanced users. VLC is just: "instal codecs, instal vlc, reset, her'ya go - ready to use".

There should be also ALShow on the list - used it for about two years, pretty nice soft but, I might be wrong, it does not support matroska. (website: http://www.altools.com/ALTools/ALShow.aspx)

answered with quotes:

if you dont like it you can go change it, i dont really care.

if you have any grievances, please feel free to explain on the discussion board
be sure to mark you entry with four tildes (~~~~)

the consensus on boxtorrents is that VLC is bad

[psyren]

A little while ago, gg fansubs had a page on their web site titled '100 reasons why VLC sucks'. It was a very comprehensive list, and I should have saved it.
Pity.

[keik]

Media Player Classic (MPC) (Good Player)
    This player is included in CCCP. It is recommended that you use this player, however it must be configured correctly

This player is worst but everybody suits their needs ... You know , there are still people using Amiga so there must be people thinking that soft provided with their fav codec pack is "ze best".

it is a ridiculously crap player

Oh well, ... so much for disscussion 

[psyren]

Media Player Classic (MPC) (Good Player)
    This player is included in CCCP. It is recommended that you use this player, however it must be configured correctly

This player is worst but everybody suits their needs ... You know , there are still people using Amiga so there must be people thinking that soft provided with their fav codec pack is "ze best".

OK, your best player:
Does not render subtitles properly.
Uses outdated versions of codecs, resulting in less than optimal picture quality.
Is difficult to configure.
Can not seek through videos.
Was originally intended for receiving STREAMING video over a network.
Can not take any videos without butchering the frame rate.

MPC:
Was designed to handle all kinds of video.
Can be combined with either internal or external decoders, making it easy to keep up to date.
DOES render subtitles properly.
Can seek through videos without crashing/causing eye cancer.
Plays videos how they were intended to be seen.

It's obvious you don't have anything educated to contribute to this discussion, so as you said:

Oh well, ... so much for disscussion 

[keik]

If we getting so deep to the point - why do not learn japanese, earn a lot of money and ... wow, actually BUY the series ?

Just said that VLC is working after instalation without aby further work with configuration - if we're talking about typicall user. I know that linux geeks can write code to render graphic without a graphic card mounted on board etc. but must people are "common users" and they don't have even a antyvirus installed on their machines, and talkin about configuration ? For most of users wmp or winamp is a good soft because "it plays movies". And sorry for my bad english but damn, i dgaf as long ppl understand it.

[psyren]

I do actually buy series when they come out here Didn't know that? Not surprising. You don't seem to know much at all.

The CCCP works perfectly after a stock installation.
VLC might 'work', but it doesn't work properly.
Which is the winner? Have a guess.

[MarchHare]

If we getting so deep to the point - why do not learn japanese, earn a lot of money and ... wow, actually BUY the series ?

Just said that VLC is working after instalation without aby further work with configuration - if we're talking about typicall user. I know that linux geeks can write code to render graphic without a graphic card mounted on board etc. but must people are "common users" and they don't have even a antyvirus installed on their machines, and talkin about configuration ? For most of users wmp or winamp is a good soft because "it plays movies". And sorry for my bad english but damn, i dgaf as long ppl understand it.

you do need to make a few small tweaks in order to get MPC to work, but as psyren said, it is ready to work pretty much straight from the box
with VLC, you cant make many tweaks at all to make it work properly

[keik]

Not surprising. You don't seem to know much at all.

Well excuse me, but who the hell judge other people after 3 posts ?! That is why any further talk (I think you might find it more as an argue actually) is pointless - you are acting pretty violent in this talk which you trail to very pointless offtopic right now.

I just said that in my opinion VLC is better (for me) and also (in my opinion) MPC isn't so good as some people find it.

One more thing - wiki should not be biased as it is now to avoid such pointless chat like this one. At least if you are trying to make a democratic not a communist society.

And that's all from me.

[MarchHare]

Not surprising. You don't seem to know much at all.

Well excuse me, but who the hell judge other people after 3 posts ?! That is why any further talk (I think you might find it more as an argue actually) is pointless - you are acting pretty violent in this talk which you trail to very pointless offtopic right now.

I just said that in my opinion VLC is better (for me) and also (in my opinion) MPC isn't so good as some people find it.

One more thing - wiki should not be biased as it is now to avoid such pointless chat like this one. At least if you are trying to make a democratic not a communist society.

And that's all from me.

dont disrespect the mods

Please under no circumstance disrespect the mods. they patrol the boxtorrents.com for the community volunteering their time helping out.
We boxtorrents.com will NOT tolerate anybody disrespecting any of our staff members.
(doing so may result in a possible ban.)

1) they're called first impressions
2) looking back on the thread, you didn't really seem to have much of an argument.
however you are welcome to use VLC if you like, i will no longer pass judgement on your decision.
3) the point of the wiki is to give our recommendation, as an anime community and a developing fansub group, as to what players would best suit the needs of the users.

welcome to the forums

[Mele]

VLC is fine for hardsubbed video, but MPC combined with CCCP will always be the preferred setup. MPC is without a doubt the best player for softsubbed videos, and in my opinion, the extra features make it worth it for hardsubbed videos.

Regardless, perhaps we should return to the topic the thread was created for?

[MarchHare]

Regardless, perhaps we should return to the topic the thread was created for?

agreed.

the wiki is making headway, slow headway, but headway nonetheless. there are still only 18 registered members on the wiki (5 of which are sysOps).

also the new keyword system works great 

[rpger81]

maybe because they are
if you dont like it you can go change it, i dont really care.

but they are labelled as good for a good reason. CCCP was designed specifically to play video files that are created by all fansub groups, therefore making the included players the best choice.

I know what CCCP is I agree they are great players, but to label 10+ different players on a good/bad/ugly scale IS biased. Yes wiki's are editable by anyone but they still must follow facts and not opinions, no matter how many people agree with those opinions.

therefore making the included players the best choice.

No... just no...

There are plenty of players that takes advantage of CCCP, not just these 2. These are just 2 that the devs will verify and include with CCCP. That does not mean they are the best. Would you download CCCP if it bulked up 20 more MB just because it includes a player that actually has robust options? Well I guess we all would still download it () but the devs aren't going to bloat their package up when you can just download it yourself elsewhere.

[MarchHare]

I know what CCCP is I agree they are great players, but to label 10+ different players on a good/bad/ugly scale IS biased. Yes wiki's are editable by anyone but they still must follow facts and not opinions, no matter how many people agree with those opinions.

most of these players were assigned a rating in an objective manner (user friendliness, amount of bugs, compatibility, etc.) kind of like how tech experts rate consumer electronics

No... just no...
There are plenty of players that takes advantage of CCCP, not just these 2. These are just 2 that the devs will verify and include with CCCP. That does not mean they are the best. Would you download CCCP if it bulked up 20 more MB just because it includes a player that actually has robust options? Well I guess we all would still download it () but the devs aren't going to bloat their package up when you can just download it yourself elsewhere.

good point. in spite of that, i think its still necessary to provide a sort of guide on the matter. If we didn't offer this guide, then every confused newb would hop onto the forums and post a new thread saying either "what player do i use" or "vlc is the best ever" only to be bashed by the more experienced members. it is our hope at least to keep this from happening.

but you're right. it was wrong for me to say that the included players are the best. that judgement is for every individual to make.

[psyren]

Long story short:
If you don't like what the Wiki says, edit it. That's what it's there for.

I just said that in my opinion VLC is better (for me) and also (in my opinion) MPC isn't so good as some people find it.

At no point did you say 'In my opinion'. It was just 'VLC RULEZ MPC SUX LOL'.

[Eifandil]

VLC works just fine. Don't see why everyone's so overly critical about what's good or not. Sheesh, to each their own. If VLC gives me trouble, I go straight to MPC. I think you should have -both- players on your computer. Sort of like a fallback system.