Author Topic: Palin blamed by Secret Service for Death Threat spike against Obama.  (Read 8968 times)

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Here come the loony right wing... Sometimes they are equal to, or worse then Muslim extremists.

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"The Republican vice presidential candidate attracted criticism for accusing Mr Obama of "palling around with terrorists", citing his association with the sixties radical William Ayers.

The attacks provoked a near lynch mob atmosphere at her rallies, with supporters yelling "terrorist" and "kill him" until the McCain campaign ordered her to tone down the rhetoric."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/sarahpalin/3405336/Sarah-Palin-blamed-by-the-US-Secret-Service-for-death-threats-against-Barack-Obama.html

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Re: Palin blamed by Secret Service for Death Threat spike against Obama.
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2008, 01:14:18 AM »
Any chance we could get a legitimate and intelligent discussion going up in this motherfucker?

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Re: Palin blamed by Secret Service for Death Threat spike against Obama.
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2008, 01:37:02 AM »
I would begin with; As looney as both the right and left extremists are, whether it be Clinton, Carter or both Bush's, nobody has enraged their base as that idiot Palin has with lies.

As a democrat, I pray to god she runs in 2012. The fact that she even had a chance proves that republican ideals are completely off base and out of touch with the average American.

Does anyone really argue this?

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Re: Palin blamed by Secret Service for Death Threat spike against Obama.
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2008, 02:11:25 AM »
As a democrat, I pray to god she runs in 2012. The fact that she even had a chance proves that republican ideals are completely off base and out of touch with the average American.

The Republicans had the same thought about Hilary when she seemed to be steamrolling towards the nomination with the huge bank of superdelegates, but I think she would have been a formidable opponent.  Be careful what you wish for there, because four years to bone up on relevant policies could make Palin a tough race as well, especially if things continue to nosedive.  Most rational people could see that the personally inflammatory stance towards Obama was a dead-end strategy borne from desperation rather than strength, because while it solidified the base in a year where the base was shrinking, it totally alienated the middle and socially conservative Democrats who may have been inclined to vote Republican.

However, right now, most of the fire coming at her is from people in the McCain camp, and "conservative elite media" types.  They're certainly portraying her as ignorant (as opposed to stupid, mind you), shallow (um, could you ask me what newspapers I read, tomorrow?), and devious (like getting other staffers to fund shopping sprees, and expense reports are just starting to roll in*).  I think that some of these sources are trying their best to poison the Palin well for 2012 and leadership of the GOP in the meanwhile.

As Democrats, we should just sit back and let them.  Karma is a bitch, sometimes.



* I chuckle at the image of RNC lawyers sent to Alaska to repo clothes that she has publicly proclaimed weren't hers...

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Re: Palin blamed by Secret Service for Death Threat spike against Obama.
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2008, 03:35:34 AM »
Any chance we could get a legitimate and intelligent discussion going up in this motherfucker?
No.

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Re: Palin blamed by Secret Service for Death Threat spike against Obama.
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2008, 03:59:25 AM »
We are still not done with this shit?
For one thing, Tiff is not on any level what I would call a typical American.  She's not what I would consider a typical person.  I don't know any other genius geneticist anime-fan martial artist marksman model-level beauties, do you?

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Re: Palin blamed by Secret Service for Death Threat spike against Obama.
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2008, 04:49:46 AM »
personally i think its silly to blame palin for saying shit like, hanging around with terrorists, she was doing what they wanted her to do, attempt to be the mean VP who isnt scarred to go after someone, taking advantage of the fact that his name is barrack hussein obama, and a lot of hayseeds still believe he is an active muslim and a terrorist in disguise.
Nothing she said would likely affect death threats or attempts on obamas life. As the first half white(haha get it, its funny its what some people are using to justify their voting against their racist thoughts its great) He will likely have many attempts at his life, and if nothing else have many threats directed towards him as it doesnt take much sense to notice that in popular vote like 46 or 47% of the people voted mccain after he fucked things up thoroughly. So racism is alive and well and thats all that you need to have threats out there.

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Re: Palin blamed by Secret Service for Death Threat spike against Obama.
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2008, 09:12:15 AM »
We are still not done with this shit?
No.

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Re: Palin blamed by Secret Service for Death Threat spike against Obama.
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2008, 01:21:38 PM »
We are still not done with this shit?
No.

I guess we're not done because 2012 campaigns are pretty much beginning...now.  Mike Huckabee and Bobby Jindal (governor of Louisiana) are both visiting Iowa before the end of this month, ostensibly to begin organizing for the 2012 election and to press the flesh.  If Palin is going to play then, she'll probably have to start soon, since she has no pre-existing framework to work with, unlike Huckabee or Romney.

Her political viability in 2012, since her ambition is apparently not in question, will be of great interest to political junkies, although most others are more than willing to put the 2008 race behind them for a while.


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Re: Palin blamed by Secret Service for Death Threat spike against Obama.
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2008, 05:16:08 PM »
And here I thought one month is a long campaign (I think they actually dragged it for 2 months last time)
For one thing, Tiff is not on any level what I would call a typical American.  She's not what I would consider a typical person.  I don't know any other genius geneticist anime-fan martial artist marksman model-level beauties, do you?

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Re: Palin blamed by Secret Service for Death Threat spike against Obama.
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2008, 06:08:03 PM »
The primary process alone is longer than two months...(haha)

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Offline AceHigh

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Re: Palin blamed by Secret Service for Death Threat spike against Obama.
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2008, 06:35:48 PM »
Talk about waste of money. I am sure it would be enough to feed a small 3rd world country for a decade.
For one thing, Tiff is not on any level what I would call a typical American.  She's not what I would consider a typical person.  I don't know any other genius geneticist anime-fan martial artist marksman model-level beauties, do you?

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Re: Palin blamed by Secret Service for Death Threat spike against Obama.
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2008, 02:15:55 PM »
Talk about waste of money. I am sure it would be enough to feed a small 3rd world country for a decade.
The reported cost of campaigning for President has increased significantly in recent years. One source reported that if the costs for both Democratic and Republican campaigns are added together (for the Presidential primary election, general election, and the political conventions) the costs have more than doubled in only eight years ($448.9 million in 1996, $649.5 million in 2000, and $1.01 billion in 2004).[60] In January 2007, Federal Election Commission Chairman Michael E. Toner estimated the 2008 race will be a $1 billion election, and that to be taken seriously, a candidate needed to raise at least $100 million by the end of 2007.[61]
That being said - it's a waste of money because of the good it could do here, not in third world countries. Fuck 'em.

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Re: Palin blamed by Secret Service for Death Threat spike against Obama.
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2008, 07:50:27 PM »
Yes, dictatorship or monarchy is so much cheaper.... and more effective in times of war.
For one thing, Tiff is not on any level what I would call a typical American.  She's not what I would consider a typical person.  I don't know any other genius geneticist anime-fan martial artist marksman model-level beauties, do you?

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Re: Palin blamed by Secret Service for Death Threat spike against Obama.
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2008, 11:33:37 PM »
Yes, dictatorship or monarchy is so much cheaper.... and more effective in times of war.
i think the US needs a good old fashion draft, cover some of them loss jobs we have

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Re: Palin blamed by Secret Service for Death Threat spike against Obama.
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2008, 12:23:20 AM »
Eh. I thought you, mgz, were in your early mid 20's. Those are usually the people who are against a draft. I'm in my late 20's so I don't care that a republican was in the white house for 8 years anymore... I wouldn't be affected by a draft.

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Re: Palin blamed by Secret Service for Death Threat spike against Obama.
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2008, 12:39:46 AM »
Although if the socialists get their way in an Obama administration, unlikely but possible, there might be something akin to domestic service conscription for those claiming unemployment.

And can we please have Palin run again, just so we can see her attempt to debate against people like Romney, Jindal, and Rice.  It would be truly hilarious.  Unfortunately I can't see an unmarried, childless woman ever winning a national election or nomination; Condi has way too much to offer to be shunted into the background or back into the educational system.

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Re: Palin blamed by Secret Service for Death Threat spike against Obama.
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2008, 03:23:51 AM »
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Although if the socialists get their way in an Obama administration, unlikely but possible, there might be something akin to domestic service conscription for those claiming unemployment.

I always want to ask my fellow Americans this.

What the fuck is so bad about socialism?

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Re: Palin blamed by Secret Service for Death Threat spike against Obama.
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2008, 03:53:10 AM »
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Although if the socialists get their way in an Obama administration, unlikely but possible, there might be something akin to domestic service conscription for those claiming unemployment.

I always want to ask my fellow Americans this.

What the fuck is so bad about socialism?

Forced economic equality and a strong tendency to lean toward totalitarianism.

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Re: Palin blamed by Secret Service for Death Threat spike against Obama.
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2008, 03:56:55 AM »
Ok lemme try and take a stab at this, first and foremost i am in my early 20s however like it or not large drafts would help do several things it would allow you to get alot of people into the army(like it or not that would prolly help a lot of people in their 20s get a bit of much needed discipline in their life so they might stop mooching off their parents which not suprisingly more and more people are doing.

With thousands upon thousands being drafted into the military jobs are created and opened up for those who are unaffected by a draft, also allows you to have several options, 1 being train alot of those who were drafted for taking positions in places like iraq for active duty soldiers who have gone there 2 3 or 4 times. And possibly let those soldiers go home or at the very least stick them in essentially non combat zones where forces are kept for no real reason. If you chose not to do such a thing, you could pull fully trained soldiers from locations mentions in the last sentence, and stick them into a place like iraq, shit they are already trained why not ?

Really i dont think a draft would do much but i just think it would be nice to have one. If nothing else it could help lift some of the weight of the soldiers already in the military.


Onto the americans disliking socialism and its ideas generally.

Most americans view socialism almost like communism they will have the general mind set that everybody gets treated the same for some shit and that certain things are forced on everyone. And that these certain rights are given to those who most people feel should not have them.

For instance i jim bob have worked long and hard to be earning 60000 dollars a year, i went to college i got my job and worked for 8 years straight to get my raises and my benefits and im if nothing else content at were i am.

Socialism isnt appealing to this man because he is content already, so what he sees when you want to take more of his money and distribute it,he sees you taking his money and give it to poor people who he thinks shouldnt get the same kind of health care he gets at least not for free. He thinks if they want good health care work your ass off and get it..
He while working at his job for 8 years has had enough extra money to buy himself a car a motorcycle a boat and jet ski. He can travel all he likes, why the fuck should his money go to pay for another X amount of buses so that assholes who dont have cars can get around easier.
And there is the overshadowing thing you forget most of all nate. That being that socialism requires EVERYONE to take more of the money they make and give it away, so now while he nets a 60k dollar a year salary, hes now only got 15k to spend on his living expenses home food ect, Insteadof the 35-40k he has now.Because some fucking poor people didnt work hard enough.

This is the kind of mindset your average american who might have a general hint of knowledge will think about it. Another part basically views socialism as communism which is silly and i mean paper communism not like russia and cuba and china..

Furthermore the reason i personally am against it, is that i believe it would be more beneficial for the government to regulate things and allow them to function in a way that would achieve results similar to socialism but without any charity.

instead of health care for everyone, Enforcing pricing limits for each aspect of medical treatment, and severly changing how medical lawsuits are handled and the sums of money that are awarded through them. This kind of things drive down insurance cost for doctors and as a result drive your prices down as well for the uninsured and make insurance for more affordable so that the uninsured can afford health care or health insurance even while making significantly less then jim bob, However its not a hand out.

Limiting CEOs salaries so that michael dell cant pay himself like 2.5 billion dollars a year and layoff people because the company has a billion dollars in debt because the other ceos are making hundreds of millions as well and doing essentially nothing.

Forcing companies to take responsibility for their actions so that bullshit like enron cant happen again. Enforcing standards and requirements for things like loans. so that the bullshit that happened with all these banks being broke doesnt happen again.

And with this regulation allow the less fortunate to have more opportunities and more chances to get their lives together or to earn a living .

And because of my belief in capitalism and democracy i personally am against many aspects of socialism.