Big 3 bailout.

[Pigeon]

Registered Nurse. Nubcake Nurse.
Senior Plumber. Nubcake plumber.

Nurses actually make plenty, at least in the US, but they have to work fucking hard to reach that point. You need a degree, and I believe you need a masters. There are also nursing assistance as well, who are typically interns in nursing school, who don't get paid shit.

[AceHigh]

Haha, then compare them to other jobs that require master degree. And suddenly they are not that well paid after all.

[mgz]

pay gap is wider yes, but comparing similar jobs many women are paid as well as men, it just happens that many women dont do alot of jobs that your average man will do in american that will make him 60-75k a year and is hard fucking work, how many women are plumbers, a good plumber makes like 60-75k a year.

I will tell you that being a nurse and lifting up crippled people on daily basis is both hard work, it is not pleasant work and you need education in order to become a nurse. Why are they not paid the same as a plumber? Because the position as nurse has and is dominated by women and maybe back in 30-ies it was ok to say "hey we can give all nurses less money because nearly all of them are women. Now they have less money then man dominated jobs that do not require that level of education.

1  you dont have to be a woman to be a nurse
2 i never said it wasnt hard work being a nurse
3 just because nurses exist doesnt mean there are enough of them to sway statistics you were pointing out before

[relic2279]

You need a degree, and I believe you need a masters.

An associates degree is required to be an LPN. You need a 4 year degree to be a RN. Average salary is 50k.
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Registered_Nurse_(RN)/Salary

Pretty shitty pay for having a 4 year degree if you ask me.


If you want to specialize in something, say, anesthesiology then you need 3-4 more years in med school. But a if you are an anesthesiologist, you are making over 200k average salary.

[sdedalus83]

Pretty shitty pay for having a 4 year degree if you ask me.

Hardly.  It essentially splits the difference between the average salary for all people with bachelor's degrees, about $45k, and all people with Master's degrees, about $55k.  Nurse Practitioners, with their average $85k salary, are paid about 50% more than the average worker with a Master's degree.

[relic2279]

Hardly.  It essentially splits the difference between the average salary for all people with bachelor's degrees, about $45k

I'm not exactly sure what you are talking about. To be a "nurse", or an "RN" is a 4 year degree. A masters is not a 4 year degree. Nurses average 50k a year. If you specialize in something, as I said, you will make more but your education requires at least another 2 more years minimum of med school.

 I live in one of the most downtrodden cities in the country next to Detroit, Cleveland. I was making nearly 45k a year working for Verizon Wireless as a handset technician after bonuses. I had no special skills other then some experience in the field as a sales rep (one of those guys who tries to bug you to buy a cell phone in the mall) before I got hired.

They basically hired anyone for that job as long as you interviewed ok. The sales reps at the actual corporate stores made much more then me, and did not require a degree. Though, those jobs were more based on commission of new acts and renewals.


So yeah. 50k a year sucks. Either that, or having a bachelor's sucks. Your pick.

[mgz]

National Median    $44,389  - from wiki

Now as i was attempting to explain before, there are a much greater number of men who do manual labor with and without degrees and make more then your average salary.
Being as there is such a large # of jobs like this that are primarily male targeted it sways your numbers alot.

On top of this stay at home moms while they are much less common then they used to be they are quite prevalent especially when compared to stay at home dads


So you get large amount of zeros for women, its fucking silly to compare salary gaps 

[relic2279]

National Median    $44,389  - from wiki

That proves my point. Less the 30% of US citizens have a 4 year degree. From wiki as well.
 
70% of our uneducated population brings down the average quite a bit, meaning nurses jobs don't pay shit. It has nothing to do with men vs woman though, just thought that I'd give my opinion. Being an RN with a 4 year degree is getting a bum deal compared with other jobs. My sis is an RN, and she busts her ass working 12 hour shifts at cleveland metro and doesn't have an easy time and is far from well off.

[mgz]

but there are plenty of nurses who make 70k a year and do very little.

Its like police officers, the ones in my town and towns near me make between 45k when they are rookies and 125k or so depending on the rank, they do damn near nothing. There is very little crime around here, we have a huge police force ect.

A new york cop makes nothing near that and works his ass off. Point being that with jobs like nurse cop ect ect there is huge variations depending on where your located due to your surroundings. And the fact that a hospital in a lower end neighborhood will have ALOT more people in it and nurses will be paid less because alot of them are uninsured and useless, so its a pain in the ass for them.

[AceHigh]

So you get large amount of zeros for women, its fucking silly to compare salary gaps 

Except graphs are not bade like that. They are based on employment force, it's not just a total fortune made by women divided with entire female population.

[Lucerin Red]

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2008/12/chrysler-closing-all-30-plants-for-a-month.html

[Stsin]

Hmm, it's going to get interesting.  But much of those 30 days would have been paid XMas/New Year's holidays.

[Lucerin Red]

Hmm, it's going to get interesting.  But much of those 30 days would have been paid XMas/New Year's holidays.

well I think they still have to pay union workers, but they still save an immense amount of cash for not having to run the factory.

[mgz]

Hmm, it's going to get interesting.  But much of those 30 days would have been paid XMas/New Year's holidays.

well I think they still have to pay union workers, but they still save an immense amount of cash for not having to run the factory.

they are getting 85% of their pay, down from 95%

[fohfoh]

Hmm, it's going to get interesting.  But much of those 30 days would have been paid XMas/New Year's holidays.

well I think they still have to pay union workers, but they still save an immense amount of cash for not having to run the factory.

but then they're not racking up inventory that loses even more cash?

[bcr123]

Hmm, it's going to get interesting.  But much of those 30 days would have been paid XMas/New Year's holidays.

well I think they still have to pay union workers, but they still save an immense amount of cash for not having to run the factory.

but then they're not racking up inventory that loses even more cash?

They don't need inventory, nobody is buying.

[AceHigh]

They don't need inventory, nobody is buying.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

[fohfoh]

They don't need inventory, nobody is buying.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Exactly.

@ Bcr: Dude, I think you misunderstood what I meant. I meant that they stop making inventory which no one buys, which means more loss because of depreciation. It's like a baker making 100 rolls of bread in a day and people only by 10. No one wants to buy old bread, or American Cars.

[moonspot]

Hmm, it's going to get interesting.  But much of those 30 days would have been paid XMas/New Year's holidays.

*pfff*  That's nothing.  Now Canadian taxpayers (ME) will be paying a minimum of 65% of all the C.A.W. members (My worthless high school flunky Brother-in-law...a$$hole..) wages  in unemployment insurance.  additionally it is worth noting that everyone that collects E.I. does NOT get any compensation for the first 2 weeks...EXCEPT autoworkers, yeah they get it right away.  so it's nothing but a paid holiday for them.

[mgz]

Its not that bad of a thing, because ATM people arent buying because over the overhyped recession which is being made much worse by the news here in america, the news is helping with HUGE swings in the stock market via fear of average person.

Banks meanwhile werent lending any money to people who should have been well qualified to borrow even after they received their government checks.

So cars CANT, and arent being sold. So the hope being cut some expenses and hopefully get through and have banks start loaning more actively and some cars sold.


But for daimler IMO they are SOL anyway, anyone seen those fucking garbage shitty lookin cars they have been putting out even compared to other american cars.

Looks like a 3 year old superglued plastic parts to the interior of most of their cars they are fucking cheap and awful looking.

And with fantastic designs like the nitro and the like 3 other hideous designs they have released to try and introduce higher gas mileage cars. That are all fucking hideous and shitty.

Jeeps have been 3-5k overpriced for who knows how long.

Charger which could have been a saving grace they put out as a sedan instead of a coupe.



I mean honestly a company like daimler deserves to go under because, they not only get fucked by unions but they put shit cars out now. Not to mention how their trucks manage to get more and more ugly as time progresses