ILA Releases

[yotsuya]

I don't know much about them besides their subbing quality on Rupin, which I find is great in my personal belief.

They put out straight up DVD rips as well as fansub releases.  The Shin Rupan Sansei episodes they released are simply rips of the Region 1 Geneon DVDs, hence the better sub quality. 

[EclipseSin]

Didn't know Geneon released season 1 or pilot on dvd.

[Nazo]

Once again-

ILA - DIDNT THREATEN ANYONE that i know of, they just didnt want their stuff on the site because of the refusal to ban an entire country over here.
boxtorrents doesnt have a huge problem with complying with friendly requests by others especially since the groups did the work on w/e they did for the anime.
Just like if Lunar anime, or A4E, or Jimbobs anime translation group, were to ask box to please take their torrents off the site, chances are they would comply with their wishes



DB - ATTACKED THE SITE, because the torrents were up. Thats why they arent allowed. They apparently also threatened to basically send letters to anime companies who dont aggressively persue sites, which might inspire them to do so

I guess I wasn't clear in my previous post. I was referring it to ILA: They did NOT ask nicely. They threatened (at the very least). They might have done a DDoS too, but I'm not 100% sure. If they had asked nicely and we complied, we would have posted a LONG time ago that their stuff is not allowed.
DB did a DDoS but played innocent about it.

[mgz]

Once again-

ILA - DIDNT THREATEN ANYONE that i know of, they just didnt want their stuff on the site because of the refusal to ban an entire country over here.
boxtorrents doesnt have a huge problem with complying with friendly requests by others especially since the groups did the work on w/e they did for the anime.
Just like if Lunar anime, or A4E, or Jimbobs anime translation group, were to ask box to please take their torrents off the site, chances are they would comply with their wishes



DB - ATTACKED THE SITE, because the torrents were up. Thats why they arent allowed. They apparently also threatened to basically send letters to anime companies who dont aggressively persue sites, which might inspire them to do so

I guess I wasn't clear in my previous post. I was referring it to ILA: They did NOT ask nicely. They threatened (at the very least). They might have done a DDoS too, but I'm not 100% sure. If they had asked nicely and we complied, we would have posted a LONG time ago that their stuff is not allowed.
DB did a DDoS but played innocent about it.

OOOOOOooh didnt know ILA threatened to do so as well.

my mistake

[yotsuya]

Didn't know Geneon released season 1 or pilot on dvd.

I never said they did.  The only part of the Lupin franchise that I saw specifically identified by name in your original post was Shin Rupan Sansei (i.e. the second Lupin TV series), so that's the one I commented on.  As for the sub quality on the other two you just mentioned, I can't comment on the first series because I haven't seen their release of it.  The sub quality on the pilot is god awful in my opinion, though.  It's like they used a BabelFish translation.

[Jedi Gigolo]

I wonder about the mentality of a group that would attack others for not hating a third party.

[briaeros007]

I wonder about the mentality of a group that would attack others for not hating a third party.

some sort of fanaticism?

[Icupnimpn2]

All I can say, you're wrong again.

I'm wrong? Can you say they say for 100 percent certainty they "aren't" shell accounts or fans or members of ILA? Why defend them with such blindness?

Did it come on your mind that some people prefer to post only when they feel they really have something to say? Geez, people and their conspiration theories. BoxTorrents is a torrent site. Vast majority of people don't come here to chat but to torrent (compare:  Most online users ever on forums = 630 (in 6/2007) vs 41,664 seeders atm).

You are further proving my point. Who would have something to say more then the actual members or supporters of ILA. If they are such a "nobody" group, why have these people come out of the woodwork just to comment now?

Lol...  This paranoia is cracking me up.  I can certainly buy the idea of a few people coming out of lurk mode to comment.  Can you 100% prove anything, ever?  On the internet, no less?

Let's try that logic on something else.  I say you're all KGB spies (ok, maybe a few MI5).  Can you 100% prove that you're not?  That gets us nowhere.

I think cz.petab is right.  A few users saw the topic, wondered why the group was banned, and decided to comment.  That's what I'm doing.  I don't normally have time to comment in forums because I'm bogged down with personal responsibilities.  But hey, it's the holidays.  And my account looks new, but my old accounts were lost or something over the past few years.  Every time, I lost my ratio and had to start again.  So you can't judge an account by its age.

And why defend ILA at all?  Well, it sounds like they're unreasonable and their attitude could use some work, but this could be an example of "hate the person, like the product."  ILA trying to stop the distribution of their episodes across the internet is like an old man with outstretched arms trying to hold back the tide of the Pacific Ocean.  If we can't get 'em on Box and be civil, and if we don't want to follow their @#!%$ rules, we WILL get 'em somewhere else if we really, really want them.  And given that ILA has released some obscure or rare titles over the year, yeah, sometimes we may want them.  So better for us all if they keep doing their thing and releasing. 

Finally, if you're all still reading, you might find it funny to know that searching "ILA releases" on Google brings up this thread.  So ILA has definitely created some bad publicity for themselves.

[relic2279]

Lol...  This paranoia is cracking me up.  I can certainly buy the idea of a few people coming out of lurk mode to comment.

No. paranoia is a negative term. Why not use the correct term of "common sense". There is a huge difference between the two. I'll assume you are capable of looking up the definition on your own. If you have trouble seeing a difference between the two, PM me and I'll assist you.

Let's try that logic on something else.  I say you're all KGB spies (ok, maybe a few MI5).  Can you 100% prove that you're not?  That gets us nowhere.

I'll use the common sense defense and say we are not. Unless you disagree that it is not common sense to assume we are not KGB spies.

So you can't judge an account by its age.

No but you can judge an account by it's activity and contribution to the forum and site. And that leads back to my argument that you are trying to argue against. For some "paranoid" reason.
 

And given that ILA has released some obscure or rare titles over the year, yeah, sometimes we may want them.  So better for us all if they keep doing their thing and releasing. 

Yeah. That's pretty much wrong. I'd rather have a professional, respectable fansub community that the licensees do not have contempt for, then a bunch of teenagers with freedom to make a mockery of us, who put out some obscure, rare anime.  So anything that helps push them out the door whether their shoes get filled our not, is worth it.

Finally, if you're all still reading, you might find it funny to know that searching "ILA releases" on Google brings up this thread.  So ILA has definitely created some bad publicity for themselves.

Any publicity is good publicity. That's probably the reason you revived this thread.

[Jarudin]

And given that ILA has released some obscure or rare titles over the year, yeah, sometimes we may want them.  So better for us all if they keep doing their thing and releasing. 

Yeah. That's pretty much wrong. I'd rather have a professional, respectable fansub community that the licensees do not have contempt for, then a bunch of teenagers with freedom to make a mockery of us, who put out some obscure, rare anime.  So anything that helps push them out the door whether their shoes get filled our not, is worth it.

I disagree there. Just because we don't like them and they don't like us is no argument to have them stop contributing to the anime scene.

--Jarudin--

[relic2279]

Yeah, it was kind of an opinion thing. When I was coming up in the 90's, it was a bit different. Everyone tried to out do each other on professionalism. Now, to me, it's like everyone is trying to see who can be the bigger asshole. It could be my age, I guess. But still.

I think what I'm trying to say is, I like subbers who provide little/no drama. Less of a headache, good for the community.

[Icupnimpn2]

Lol...  This paranoia is cracking me up.  I can certainly buy the idea of a few people coming out of lurk mode to comment.

No. paranoia is a negative term. Why not use the correct term of "common sense". There is a huge difference between the two. I'll assume you are capable of looking up the definition on your own. If you have trouble seeing a difference between the two, PM me and I'll assist you.

No PM necessary.  From Merriam-Webster Online:

common sense - sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts

paranoia -  a tendency on the part of an individual or group toward excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others

Considering that you were suspicious of the validity of the three or so people you felt were speaking inappropriately in defense of ILA (none of which really seemed pro-ILA, IMHO, but rather pro-fansub), which of those definitions seems more fitting?  If someone disagreed with your opinion, they must therefore be "shell accounts" or "members of ILA."

Let's try that logic on something else.  I say you're all KGB spies (ok, maybe a few MI5).  Can you 100% prove that you're not?  That gets us nowhere.

I'll use the common sense defense and say we are not. Unless you disagree that it is not common sense to assume we are not KGB spies.

So you can't judge an account by its age.

No but you can judge an account by it's activity and contribution to the forum and site. And that leads back to my argument that you are trying to argue against. For some "paranoid" reason.

Here, I feel, you're being elitist.  You're essentially saying that if someone hasn't posted as much as you then their opinion isn't valid.  That's what irked me in the first place, as I saw you accuse some members that weren't very active in the forums of being "shell accounts" for expressing an opinion other than yours.  And considering how you've been speaking out against ILA's own elitist behavior, I thought that was a bit hypocritical.

And given that ILA has released some obscure or rare titles over the year, yeah, sometimes we may want them.  So better for us all if they keep doing their thing and releasing.

Yeah. That's pretty much wrong. I'd rather have a professional, respectable fansub community that the licensees do not have contempt for, then a bunch of teenagers with freedom to make a mockery of us, who put out some obscure, rare anime.  So anything that helps push them out the door whether their shoes get filled our not, is worth it.

I've read this a few times and I'm not sure what you're saying.  What do the licensees have to do with anything in this discussion?  And I would say that having rare, obscure anime made available in other languages besides the original Japanese is at the absolute core of why fansubbing even exists in the first place.  Or I guess I could just go watch Naruto and Bleach 9 million times.  Mainstream shows serve their purpose, but there's a certain joy in finally being able to watch a series that you know no Western company would ever purchase the rights to and release overseas because there simply isn't enough financial interest. 

Finally, if you're all still reading, you might find it funny to know that searching "ILA releases" on Google brings up this thread.  So ILA has definitely created some bad publicity for themselves.

Any publicity is good publicity. That's probably the reason you revived this thread.

Sorry, didn't really look at how long it's been since the last post.  The thread shows up on the Boxtorrents home page and that's where it caught my attention.  I guess I figured that meant it was still current. 

[Icupnimpn2]

And given that ILA has released some obscure or rare titles over the year, yeah, sometimes we may want them.  So better for us all if they keep doing their thing and releasing.

Yeah. That's pretty much wrong. I'd rather have a professional, respectable fansub community that the licensees do not have contempt for, then a bunch of teenagers with freedom to make a mockery of us, who put out some obscure, rare anime.  So anything that helps push them out the door whether their shoes get filled our not, is worth it.

I disagree there. Just because we don't like them and they don't like us is no argument to have them stop contributing to the anime scene.

--Jarudin--

Thank you for the clear and sober-minded post.  Sorry if I've revived a dead horse of an issue.

[Zalis116]

Just curious, do AnimeCorpX [ACX] releases now have the same status as ILA's? One of my torrents (Gun X Sword) containing their releases was apparently removed by request of some random person from the group, and I saw that another one (GitS: SSS) was voluntarily removed by the uploader because the group "didn't want their encodes torrented." What a joke, do they really think they'll be able to succeed in scouring all torrents of their releases from all the trackers out there?

[MTR]

I guess now they are the same as ILA and DB. ACX never threatened us or anything as far as I know (I haven't read the log yet), they sent us a request stating that they don't allow their releases to be torrented, so we remove them. I guess they want to stick with their IRC as main distribution source.

And yes, while I do think it is kind of stupid if they think they can get to every single torrent site on the internet and request their releases to be removed, but they can make a notice on their site or IRC channel stating they don't want their titles made into torrents or distributed using BitTorrent, and can also contact the big sites (such as us) if they so please and try to get their stuff removed. They released it, so it is their choice I guess. We just be nice and comply :p