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Woha, it's been nearly five years since I watched this. Tempus fugit, I suppose. Tempted to get hold of a higher quality release and watch it again in conjunction with playing the game (if I have the time after going through the updated version of Clannad...).

newy:
I can't agree more with anerph and dbml. Imho, Mitsuki has one of the most realistic human behavior ever shown in an anime (wait there is one better, Nana (Hachi) from NANA *cry* someone, kill that bastard!)


I need to rewatch the series to discuss with you guys :/ or else my arguments are based on fragments.

(click to show/hide)Havoc, have you watched Next Season? That would be more to your liking.

Tatsujin:
What's with all the fucking bashing against Mitsuki? First of all. It is Mitsuki, Haruka and Takayuki, and Akane's fault. No one predict what was going to happen. Mitsuki didn't know about it. God forced this upon them so they can make their decisions correctly. Do you fucking honestly think Mitsuki would have done such a thing if she knew about it? NO. She wouldn't. But she has her own feelings. She betrayed? Of course she did. So did Haruka, ... if any of you say anything about this then fuck Kyou from Clannad because the same exact shit happens between Kyou and Ryou. The SAME exact shit. You CANNOT assume what would happen if Takayuki was there on time "Oh, he could have prevented it" Or "Oh, he would have died" because that never happened. What happened was all in the second half of episode two, period.

The more hate people put towards Mitsuki, the more I tell them that out of all the characters, she was the most hurt ... She's the one who went through hell, who tried her best. She lost everything ... Her goal, her shape, her form, her memories, her best friend, her friends, her future ... everything all for Narumi ... What the fuck did Haruka go through for 3 years? She was in a COMA. She did NOTHING. She had NOTHING. She was there doing NOTHING for Takayuki. That's what she was doing. NOTHING. Mitsuki had to go through three years of hell, and an extra year to put it forward. She has her own feelings, she followed them. She couldn't help it. She loves him, it's all in her ... it all happened, and she acquired these feelings for Narumi before realizing that her real goal was to get Haruka close to Narumi. Can you help it? No, you can't. Takayuki went through some pain, but WHO eased the pain? Who was there for him? Who cheered him up, relaxed him? Who shaped him up? Who took care of him? MITSUKI did. Of course she felt guilty, but most of all through all of this and as soon as she took those steps to take care of Narumi, she betrayed Haruka. She never betrayed Haruka when she asked Narumi for a gift. Mitsuki was betraying her first before anyone else, then she broke her relationship with Haruka as soon as she dated Narumi. Did not any of you see the answers behind Narumi's question? "Isn't Haruka your best friend?" What was her answer? Thank you. Haruka never noticed Mitsuki's feelings, the anime doesn't explain the relationship between Mitsuki and Takayuki very well, but in the game it sure hella does. And honestly, the first two episodes should have been enough.

WATCH THE FREAKING ANIME AGAIN AND PAY ATTENTION. Anymore blames on Mitsuki and I might really go nuts ... Open up Wikipedia and do more research before bashing words around.

I'm an expert in KgNE field, seen it more than 15+ times start to finish. Hit your questions, I'll give you answers.

About Akane ... She didn't stand by Haruka's side, she was standing by her feelings sides. She relied on Mitsuki, she attacked her with words, pushed her away in a corner and kept stomping on Mitsuki's head. What was Mitsuki's fault ... ? Because she dated Narumi? What was Akane's real job? She should have been a better sister by staying by her sister's side. NOT her feelings and relying on others. Episodes 9-12.

About Haruka ... Tho' she never looked over Mitsuki's feelings, she assumed it was all for her benefit pushing Mitsuki to the side. I can't blame Haruka, and you can't blame Mitsuki neither. Why is it Haruka's fault? Yes, because she never woke up on time. Narumi was pushed into so many corners, he lost it all when he was asked not to visit her anymore. He was lifeless without her and Mitsuki gave Narumi life, Haruka did not give him life ... she took it away. She took most of his time away. She relied on who? Mitsuki. She asked, and pushed her. She couldn't do it herself. Seriously, Haruka? Seriously?! is that the way it's done? It's her fault for being weak, and for not taking her own steps. Note episodes 12 to 14. I started to like Haruka more and I realized how strong she became in those episodes. In all other episodes, she was weak, plain and relied on others.

About Mitsuki ... The screw up that she did will make people hate her. But she did love him, she had nothing else behind it. I didn't like Mitsuki from the beginning either. But after watching the anime more and more, I realized that her only faults are not being honest with herself, for not taking the step earlier. It is not her fault that she loved Narumi, she does say so ... and she does say that she lost everything on that episode (11), but she couldn't help it ... When you fall in love, you can't help it and you don't know what you might do this second or the next second. She was hurt a lot when Narumi was lifeless, she kept cornering herself but afterwards ... after all that happened she exploded and kissed him, sex, dated, etc.

About Narumi ... If there is someone you really wanna hate, it's this motha fucker for not making the right decisions and for dragging people around. He should have never helped Haruka in the first place. One visit, and never show up again. That was the choice he should have made when Mitsuki told him to visit Haruka anyways because she is her and his friend. He should have refused a second time and he should have giving Mitsuki an answer. He should have refused even after the first visit. Haruka can stand on her own, live on her own and find the truth on her own.

As time passes, so will your feelings. As the seasons change, so will you. Destiny is only created by your hands. <-- KgNE.

Havoc10K:
@ Tatsu

l'm not taking away Mitsukis feleings etc, l do understand her, but the reason l blame her was her selfishness and her stupidity and cowardice, if she was sure of her feelings she should have say so in the first, she admitted that she introduced Haruka to Narumi so that she herself could get closer to him, l know she lost a lot, she was a damn good swimmer, she could make a life out of it, but the momment she hesitated in the first place she lost already, that what l meant, the sisters are the same, they both like him but it was Haruka that had the courage to tell him her feelings, Akan didn't have much chance to do anything, she took care of her sister in coma because she loved her and that was the only thing she cared for after she found out about Mitsuki and Narumi, you can't say that Narumi was lifeless, everyone visited him often, tried to make him to live on, he himself didn't do a thing, he is resposible for his own pathetic life, just look at Clannad movie, it's similar, if not worse, but his friends and family didn't give up on him, why it wasn't the same here ? why in the end only mitsuki cared enough for him to take care of him ? Akane was handling her sister, Shinji seldomly even spoke to him at all, aside from Mitsuki, everyone was pushed away by him.

yeh he is a pain in the ass, but only because he didn't even know what he wanted.

there is an old saying l often see lately in anime and games (Fate/Clannad)
"If you have something to say just say it"
Mitsuki had a lot of time to say something, she chose her own fate, l don't blame her for the accident, l blame her for her cowardice, she never had the courage to say what she feels untill it was too late.

so don't tell me shes not to blame, at least Haruka could speak of her feelings, she fought bravely, if she only had a simple accident and didn't go into coma she probably could do a lot for Narumi.

remember what she satrted doing the second time she woke up, she stopped waiting for getting better, she worked hard, she understood that she lost Narumi, so instead she only had her own family and her dream of making the damn picture book, and in that book she explained pretty much everything she felt, she didn't chose to be left out, she actually never was a part of the group to begin with.

Tatsujin:

--- Quote from: Havoc10K on July 15, 2009, 03:34:04 PM ---@ Tatsu

l'm not taking away Mitsukis feleings etc, l do understand her, but the reason l blame her was her selfishness and her stupidity and cowardice, if she was sure of her feelings she should have say so in the first, she admitted that she introduced Haruka to Narumi so that she herself could get closer to him, l know she lost a lot, she was a damn good swimmer, she could make a life out of it, but the momment she hesitated in the first place she lost already, that what l meant, the sisters are the same, they both like him but it was Haruka that had the courage to tell him her feelings, Akan didn't have much chance to do anything, she took care of her sister in coma because she loved her and that was the only thing she cared for after she found out about Mitsuki and Narumi, you can't say that Narumi was lifeless, everyone visited him often, tried to make him to live on, he himself didn't do a thing, he is resposible for his own pathetic life, just look at Clannad movie, it's similar, if not worse, but his friends and family didn't give up on him, why it wasn't the same here ? why in the end only mitsuki cared enough for him to take care of him ? Akane was handling her sister, Shinji seldomly even spoke to him at all, aside from Mitsuki, everyone was pushed away by him.

yeh he is a pain in the ass, but only because he didn't even know what he wanted.

there is an old saying l often see lately in anime and games (Fate/Clannad)
"If you have something to say just say it"
Mitsuki had a lot of time to say something, she chose her own fate, l don't blame her for the accident, l blame her for her cowardice, she never had the courage to say what she feels untill it was too late.

so don't tell me shes not to blame, at least Haruka could speak of her feelings, she fought bravely, if she only had a simple accident and didn't go into coma she probably could do a lot for Narumi.

remember what she satrted doing the second time she woke up, she stopped waiting for getting better, she worked hard, she understood that she lost Narumi, so instead she only had her own family and her dream of making the damn picture book, and in that book she explained pretty much everything she felt, she didn't chose to be left out, she actually never was a part of the group to begin with.

--- End quote ---

About Akane and Narumi (Anime) ... Akane likes Narumi, she loves him. But not to the point of wanting to go out with him. She views him as an older brother. Akane doesn't have feelings for Narumi what-so-ever. In the game, you can go with Akane's arc in which him and her develop feelings for each other. But in the anime, she doesn't develop feelings for him, neither Narumi.

Narumi was lifeless as soon as Haruka went into Coma. Did you not see how he was? Yes people visited him, you're misunderstanding this. Narumi was completely hurt and injured, he couldn't do much without Mitsuki's help and it was Mitsuki that revived him. And don't compare Narumi to Tomoya ... Tomoya is on a WHOLE different level than Narumi, at least Tomoya understands his situations better than Narumi.

I totally agree with you on that part about Mitsuki, she should have made those steps earlier than before. She should have challenged her best friend, Haruka. But she felt bad, didn't know how to either make the attack or, in most cases, in which these are true ... She tried to make Narumi pay attention to her. Mitsuki did a lot of things to get Narumi's attention (I'm playing the game FYI and I'm like past half the first episode, 5 hours+ !!!!). Read over my previous post. I did blame Mitsuki for not making earlier steps towards Narumi.

I disliked Haruka a lot for being weak, for relying on Mitsuki. In honesty, I didn't mind it at all! I thought it was cute, but afterwards you can tell that Mitsuki had feelings for Narumi even before introducing Haruka to Narumi .. if Haruka realized that, ... I don't know. I wouldn't want to assume. But after like what, around episodes 12, 13 and 14 ... Haruka showed strength and courage, and that's what I like her for.

I gotta go to launch for now, I'm at work. I've been playing KgNE game since yesterday and I poured couple of hours into it. There's so much content in the game.

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