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Re: Teacher declares Linux illegal...
« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2008, 12:01:03 AM »
Not when you're sitting somewhere with only a paper and a pencil in hand. Also, addition in this case might is faster because I can add 273 to a number faster than typing all of it out.

Or in your mind. When I want to ballpark something in a conversation irl, I don't have google, nor do I look good when I have to bust something out to try and calculate it.

Saying 10 celcius or around... 280ish kelvin is easy.

Now, 100F to -24F vs 38c to about -30c... how do I ballpark that quickly? There's no easy ratio. Pounds to Kilograms was like what? divide by 2.2? or was it times? That one at least isn't too hard to figure out. If I say 20 pounds or approx... 8-10 kilos... not hard to do. But the Farenheit and Celcius one... I still have no proper ratio to try and ball park it with.
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Re: Teacher declares Linux illegal...
« Reply #41 on: December 24, 2008, 12:04:52 AM »
11 pounds = 5 kilos.

as for farenheit. It requires a second of mental calculation.
Celsius *1.8+32

3 feet = ~1 meter

That's how I'm used to calculating them.

I still have no idea what a yard or an ounce or an oz is. Nor do I know a quick conversion between miles and kilometers.

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Re: Teacher declares Linux illegal...
« Reply #42 on: December 24, 2008, 12:34:08 AM »
a yard is 3 feet exactly meter is more then a yard

and oz can be a liquid measure or weight. 16 oz in a lb for weight

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Re: Teacher declares Linux illegal...
« Reply #43 on: December 24, 2008, 05:48:03 AM »
as for farenheit. It requires a second of mental calculation.
Celsius *1.8+32

I don't know about you, but I'm not a math whiz. I can't calculate that in my head easily, nor do I have that formula memorized.
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Re: Teacher declares Linux illegal...
« Reply #44 on: December 24, 2008, 05:52:32 AM »
As a quick approximation, from degF to degC I subtract 32, divide by 2 and add a little (~5.5%, usually I just make an approximation instead of calculating), from experience.

The other way round, I don't really care. I think in degC and give numbers in degC.

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Re: Teacher declares Linux illegal...
« Reply #45 on: December 24, 2008, 11:24:53 AM »
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Nor do I know a quick conversion between miles and kilometers.
On land - 1 mile = 1.6 kilometer (a nautical mile is 1.8something IIRC, Proin's in the Navy, so bug him about it :P); an easier calculation is "about 1.5km to a mile", and it's usually accurate enough anyway.

Uh... no... because Kelvin is only relevant to scientists. It's just Celsius minus 273.15, with the same increments. It's 'shorter' to say 0°C, rather than 273.15°C. Also, 0°C and 100°C are easier to remember than their Kelvin counterparts.. It's also more efficient to print 50°C on an oven heat switch than 323.15°C.
You kinda fucked up the units here :P

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Re: Teacher declares Linux illegal...
« Reply #46 on: December 24, 2008, 12:45:50 PM »
Now, 100F to -24F vs 38c to about -30c... how do I ballpark that quickly? There's no easy ratio. Pounds to Kilograms was like what? divide by 2.2? or was it times? That one at least isn't too hard to figure out. If I say 20 pounds or approx... 8-10 kilos... not hard to do. But the Farenheit and Celcius one... I still have no proper ratio to try and ball park it with.
If you're talking about ballparking everyday temperatures, to convert f to c, subtract 30, then divide by 2. So 50F is (50-30)/2 = 10, which is exact.

100F is (100-30)/2 = 35. In reality, 100F is 37.7, so you're 2.7c too low. 0F is (0-30)/2 = -15. In reality, 0F is -17.7, so you're 2.7 too high.

To go the other way - C to F - you do the opposite. Multiply by 2, add 30.

Skip the following unless you're bored:
Reduce the number you're subtracting by by 1 for every 10F (or 5C) you warm up. So if you were gonna ballpark around 100F, you wouldn't subtract by 30, you'd subtract by 25. (100F-25)/2 = 37.5C. You're still off by about 0.2, but whatever. Increase by 5 for ever 50F you cool off - so (0F-35)/2 = -17.5C, which is also off by about 0.2.

Skip the following unless you're really bored:
More exhaustively, your constant is going to be exactly equal to (320-temperature in F)/9. So for 50F you have (320-50)/9 = 30, which we already know is precise. If you're going to be doing a bunch of calculations around, say, 230F, the previous would say you'd subtract by 13, then divide by 2. But that's a little bit off: (230F-13)/2 = 108.5C, which in reality should be 110C. Oh noes! Instead, subtract by (320-230)/9 = 10. (230-10)/2 = 110C, which once again is precise.

Note that to save time, we can substitute (320-x)/9 directly into our formula:
(x-(320-x)/9)/2
(9x/9+x/9-320/9)/2
(10x/9-320/9)/2
5x/9-160/9
(5x-160)/9

(x-32)*5/9
or from c to f:
x*9/5+32

Which is the slightly more complicated conversion formula you should have been using in the first place.

What? I'm bored.

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Re: Teacher declares Linux illegal...
« Reply #47 on: December 24, 2008, 01:15:09 PM »
either way if everyone used kelvin we would all be happy.

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Re: Teacher declares Linux illegal...
« Reply #48 on: December 24, 2008, 02:17:39 PM »
My brain fried trying to do the celcius kelvin thing... >_>
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Re: Teacher declares Linux illegal...
« Reply #49 on: December 24, 2008, 02:18:25 PM »
why ? wasnt it just like add 273 or something or 273.2 or something like that ?

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Re: Teacher declares Linux illegal...
« Reply #50 on: December 24, 2008, 02:20:17 PM »
why ? wasnt it just like add 273 or something or 273.2 or something like that ?

Err... i guess it fried so bad I said Kelvin instead of Farenheit... lol.
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Re: Teacher declares Linux illegal...
« Reply #51 on: December 26, 2008, 12:31:52 PM »
So a student was showing his own laptop to his schoolmates and handing out linux distros, and in steps the teacher :-\...;
The teacher spotted one of her students giving a demonstration of the HeliOS distro to other students. In a somewhat over-the-top reaction, she confiscated the CDs, put the student on detention and whipped off a letter to the HeliOS Project threatening to report it to the police for distributing illegal software.


??? Kidding right? You got to be! What planet did she drop off of exactly?

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Re: Teacher declares Linux illegal...
« Reply #52 on: December 30, 2008, 09:06:57 AM »
Ok topics turned from mad teacher to pointing out why microsoft are retards to helios's public apology to ubuntu being like windows to discussing how water contracts/expands to arguments about the best temperature measurement to weight and length measurements (3 feet = 91.44cm btw) then back to temperature. I'm very confused wasn't this about a teacher and HeliOS?

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Re: Teacher declares Linux illegal...
« Reply #53 on: December 30, 2008, 09:08:22 AM »
If it had been a Mac topic, it would have been locked almost 2 pages ago.  ::)

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Re: Teacher declares Linux illegal...
« Reply #54 on: December 30, 2008, 12:54:27 PM »
because if it was a mac topic there would have been flaming back and forth about mac being overpriced and cant do blah blah blah and then other people saying windows sucks cant do blah blah blah breaks constantly blah blah blah.

And then someone else saying linux ftw

and going nowhere where as even though its off topic there was fairly well mannered discussion going on here lol

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Re: Teacher declares Linux illegal...
« Reply #55 on: December 30, 2008, 04:09:05 PM »
helios's public apology
Helios never apologized.

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Re: Teacher declares Linux illegal...
« Reply #56 on: December 31, 2008, 06:09:19 AM »
helios's public apology
Helios never apologized.
Fine then the guy who posted the blog said sorry about some of the things he said. http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/character-assasinations-aint-us.html

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Re: Teacher declares Linux illegal...
« Reply #57 on: December 31, 2008, 06:11:44 AM »
he apologized for being so blunt about her stupidity, thats a back handed apology

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Re: Teacher declares Linux illegal...
« Reply #58 on: December 31, 2008, 12:05:59 PM »
Uh... no... because Kelvin is only relevant to scientists. It's just Celsius minus 273.15, with the same increments. It's 'shorter' to say 0°C, rather than 273.15°C. Also, 0°C and 100°C are easier to remember than their Kelvin counterparts.. It's also more efficient to print 50°C on an oven heat switch than 323.15°C.
You kinda fucked up the units here :P
Totally.
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It's 'shorter' to say 0°C, rather than -273.15°K. Also, 0°C and 100°C are easier to remember than their Kelvin counterparts.. It's also more efficient to print 50°C on an oven heat switch than 323.15°K.

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Re: Teacher declares Linux illegal...
« Reply #59 on: December 31, 2008, 12:42:29 PM »
One correction: with Kelvins, you don't use the "°" ;) So it's 273.15K etc.
Oh, and 0°C = 273.15K, not -273.15K ;) 0K is absolute zero, there's nothing colder than that ;)