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Gaza showdown
Pharismo:
Hamas isn't a terrorist group but a government and they won a democratic election without fraud. Hamas has being working with the civils better them Fatah when were the government and thats the reason they won the election. Hamas aren't terrorist but a group that don't want to be colonized by Israel, so they are just a resistance group that would appear once Israel started the war on middle east. People just believes on what they show on TV, they don't try to look for better informations on internet (besides on manipulated news). Sirius before calling something as terrorist please try to discover what happened who started the war and what is the history behind it. Before ingland colonization arabs from all believes were living at peace, thats the truth.
You can't argue with people that doesn't look for the history behind the war and the reason from both sides. Israel has killed many innocents and made over 3millions of Palestine's to leave they're land and still aren't called as terrorists because USA sells weapons for them and support them.
If you can't fight a war with the way of a army you fight on the way of guerrillas.
Read this book: Hamas: A Beginner's Guide nbefore calling Hamas a terrorist group since they are the same as Iraq resistance forces. They don't accept the colonization and thats why they hate occidentals since they support Israel.
http://www.amazon.com/Hamas-Beginners-Guide-Khaled-Hroub/dp/0745325912 (i bought it cheaper from a mall)
Its a good book and tells the history before Hamas was created and what led to the creation of Hamas. Read it and decide if they are terrorist or just resistence force.
vicious796:
With your common sympathy toward non-Western groups, it doesn't surprise me that you would like to claim that terrorism is seperate from politics. Here's the simple Foxworthy run down for you:
If you launch rockets without any aim other than to kill as many civilians as possible (but hey, you might hit a few soldiers in that elementary school), you might be a terrorist.
If you hide among civilians to make it look like a recognized nation is slaughtering them, you might be a terrorist.
If your radical religious beliefs make it so you declare a "Holy War" against an entire race of people, you might be a terrorist.
Look Phar, you say we don't do any research beyond our own televisions blah blah blah. The problem is, for you, that we do. I've looked up Khaled Hroub and read a few press releases of his and you know what he talks about?
How the west is terrified of a unified Palestine. How we were astounded that a democratic vote lead to an organized government that was politically based and not a violent religous group. We didn't want a group to demand borders on Israel.
What have they become since their elections in 2006? Are they having the meetings on the international scale Hroub spoke of?
NO, they're not. They're firing rockets into school yards like a militant religous group. I think the best article I found he wrote before this happened.
http://www.opendemocracy.net/conflict-middle_east_politics/hamas_3982.jsp
Have a read.
Semnae:
--- Quote from: Pharismo on January 26, 2009, 12:49:32 PM ---Hamas isn't a terrorist group but a government and they won a democratic election without fraud.
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I stopped recognizing Gaza as having a legitimate government when Hamas staged a coup and slaughtered the only major opposition party.
AceHigh:
--- Quote from: Pharismo on January 26, 2009, 12:49:32 PM ---Hamas isn't a terrorist group but a government and they won a democratic election without fraud.
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Well, I guess it settles it. When people in Gaza democratically elect and support a terrorist organisation, then they are guilty, not innocent. In other words they brought the bombing upon themselves.
--- Quote ---Hamas has being working with the civils better then Fatah when were the government and thats the reason they won the election.
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Hitler gave hope to people and won the election too. Your point was?
--- Quote ---Hamas aren't terrorist but a group that don't want to be colonized by Israel, so they are just a resistance group that would appear once Israel started the war on middle east.
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Do you know the definition of terrorism? Firing rockets into civilian population is not resistance, it's terrorism. Hence, they are terrorists.
--- Quote ---Before england colonization arabs from all believes were living at peace, thats the truth.
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Oh, like the 1660 massacre of jews by the Ottomans in Safed and Jerusalem?
Or the fact that jews had status as dhimmis and had to pay tax because they were not muslim?
--- Quote ---You can't argue with people that doesn't look for the history behind the war and the reason from both sides.
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I know, horrible that people all forgot about the name "Judea", care to learn history a bit more yourself? If you will insist on it, I will give you the time line of Judea/SyriaPalestina/Israel ownership. Trust me, it has never ever belonged to the squatters that call themselves Palestinians. In truth Philistines disappeared as an ethnic group in the middle of 700 years BC.
--- Quote ---Israel has killed many innocents and made over 3millions of Palestine's to leave they're land and still aren't called as terrorists because USA sells weapons for them and support them.
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So if a dude points AK47 at you and shoots you while he hold a woman as a human shield, you will not fire back? Here is one question, did any of the Hamas had the balls to fight Israeli soldiers in the outskirts of the city? The answer you are looking for is "NO". They were sitting in the middle of the city knowing that it would cause severe civilian casualties. Actually they were hoping for casualties so that they can get the sympathy of the world. Very immoral and cynical strategy, but it worked to some degree.
--- Quote ---If you can't fight a war with the way of a army you fight on the way of guerrillas and terrorists.
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Fixed
--- Quote ---Read this book: Hamas: A Beginner's Guide
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Let me guess, "Chapter 4: how to make your own home made rocked, next chapter we will cover how to fill the inside of your jacket with explosives." ::)
Pigeon:
--- Quote from: Pharismo on January 26, 2009, 12:49:32 PM ---Read this book: Hamas: A Beginner's Guide
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Read this book:
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