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Gaza showdown
sdedalus83:
--- Quote from: Dragoon AceHigh on January 30, 2009, 10:04:59 PM ---That being said I am sympathetic with Jews who have exactly the same goal. I wonder why they called their country "Israel" instead of Judea though.
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Judea is a region within the promised land, while Israel is the whole thing.
AceHigh:
The whole thing? That explains the motivation ;)
lx4:
--- Quote from: Dragoon AceHigh on January 30, 2009, 10:04:59 PM ---I wonder why they called their country "Israel" instead of Judea though.
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The Jews still call Judea, Judea. The rest of the world has just chosen to call it the West Bank for some reason.
furuoshiki:
I think both Jews and Arab Muslims should both just get the fuck out. Now this will never happen, but let's examine why that would make sense:
1) According to the Hebrew speaking Semite (now Ashkenazic/Sephardic blood line) tradition, they have not yet been allowed formal access back into Zion or the Promised Land on Earth. I am assuming the promised land is the motherland, known today as Israel.
Maybe I am wrong but didn't Moses say that the Jewish people were effectively banned from the Promised Land until the second coming of Christ? Also you would be surprised at how many Jews are not Zionists because of their belief that they are still a wandering people.
2) Arab Muslims don't belong in Jerusalem. Now this is different for the Arab Christians. Jerusalem is clearly a vital city of importance for Christians and Jews. To my knowledge it has minor negligible significance for Muslims. You don't see Christians making communities and fusses in Mecca, well we expect the same sort of reverence and respect for our Holy city.
3) Load up the place with American ex-patriot Christians. Apparently since this is all about Power why don't we just stop the charade in making believe that we care about what happens to the Jews and just be honest with ourselves? We want the land to counter-balance Russian and Middle Eastern State's power. I mean personally I am interested in making a compromise to where Arab Muslims, Christians and Jews can live in the land in peace. But the national opinion considers that an impossibility. Just cut the bull and make the space a UN protectorate zone and call it a day. Put the Jews in New York (Hey we're over-populated but if it will prevent Nuclear War, we've got plenty of space...) and put the Arab-Muslims in Muslim theocratic nations.
Arab Christians and any other Christians can stay but Muslims and Jews have to get the fuck out. I feel like we are the big boy in the playground breaking up a fight between two shrimps. This is so fucking ridiculous I still can't believe we are about to have a Nuclear War over this shit.
Edit - Today I talked about it in Philosophy class and my philosophy professor talked about the futility of any hope residing in bringing in an objective mediator, because either side will complain they would be "ignorant" of the facts. Well folks HELLO! In order to successfully do the "Veil of ignorance" and start negotiations from the "Original Position" you have to be sort of IN THE DARK AND UNBIASED.
Get the Dalai Lama and Kofi Anan or SOME SHIT and just GET TO WORK. The Dalai Lama doesn't give a shit about US power, Israelis or Muslims. They only carry biased interests towards their part of the globe. Just inform some educated PhD group on the situation (make it a mixed bag, an argentinian doctor, malaysian lawyer, honduran biologist, etc...) and get an unaffiliated consensus. There has got to be someone qualified in the world to deliver arbitration yet unbiased about the situation enough to make the dealings as objective as possible.
Instead of rockets firing we need to see some human genome projects firing up. MAKE IT SCIENTIFIC AND LEGITIMATE. DO SOMETHING. Don't just BLOW SHIT UP! This goes for Israel and Hamas. The two governments are both egotistical and stupid. And the people are suffering for it.
sdedalus83:
--- Quote from: lx4 on January 30, 2009, 11:31:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dragoon AceHigh on January 30, 2009, 10:04:59 PM ---I wonder why they called their country "Israel" instead of Judea though.
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The Jews still call Judea, Judea. The rest of the world has just chosen to call it the West Bank for some reason.
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Mainly because they feel a bit squicky about calling a Palestinian territory what essentially amounts to "Jew Land" in ancient Roman.
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