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Gaza showdown
zherok:
--- Quote from: furuoshiki on January 30, 2009, 11:39:18 PM ---Maybe I am wrong but didn't Moses say that the Jewish people were effectively banned from the Promised Land until the second coming of Christ? Also you would be surprised at how many Jews are not Zionists because of their belief that they are still a wandering people.
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Wouldn't a detail like this probably have more to do with Christianity than Judaism? I doubt the Jews would be terribly concerned with the second coming of Christ...
Proin Drakenzol:
--- Quote from: furuoshiki on January 30, 2009, 11:39:18 PM ---I think both Jews and Arab Muslims should both just get the fuck out. Now this will never happen, but let's examine why that would make sense:
1) According to the Hebrew speaking Semite (now Ashkenazic/Sephardic blood line) tradition, they have not yet been allowed formal access back into Zion or the Promised Land on Earth. I am assuming the promised land is the motherland, known today as Israel.
Maybe I am wrong but didn't Moses say that the Jewish people were effectively banned from the Promised Land until the second coming of Christ? Also you would be surprised at how many Jews are not Zionists because of their belief that they are still a wandering people.
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There are so many things wrong with that statement...
According to Jewish tradition Israel is ours and has always been ours. The last Diaspora was not one crafted by G-d to punish us for sins, it just sort of happened.
And the "second coming of Christ"? What is a "christ"? Certainly not a Jewish thing. And Moses was the one that brought us back to the Promised Land from Egypt. And that was before the First Temple was built! The only thing connected to the Messiah with Israel is that when he comes for the first (and only) time the Temple will be rebuilt and the Holy of Holies restored.
--- Quote ---2) Arab Muslims don't belong in Jerusalem. Now this is different for the Arab Christians. Jerusalem is clearly a vital city of importance for Christians and Jews. To my knowledge it has minor negligible significance for Muslims. You don't see Christians making communities and fusses in Mecca, well we expect the same sort of reverence and respect for our Holy city.
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This is true...
--- Quote ---3) Load up the place with American ex-patriot Christians. Apparently since this is all about Power why don't we just stop the charade in making believe that we care about what happens to the Jews and just be honest with ourselves? We want the land to counter-balance Russian and Middle Eastern State's power. I mean personally I am interested in making a compromise to where Arab Muslims, Christians and Jews can live in the land in peace. But the national opinion considers that an impossibility. Just cut the bull and make the space a UN protectorate zone and call it a day. Put the Jews in New York (Hey we're over-populated but if it will prevent Nuclear War, we've got plenty of space...) and put the Arab-Muslims in Muslim theocratic nations.
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Because that's a terrible and stupid idea. Israel is a sovereign nation. The UN is a giant cluster fuck, it can't even prevent terrorists from launching rockets from schools it owns.
And the other Arab nations hate the Palestinians, the only reason they keep them around is to be a thorn in Israel's side.
--- Quote ---Arab Christians and any other Christians can stay but Muslim and Jews have to get the fuck out. I feel like we are the big boy in the playground breaking up a fight between two shrimps. This is so fucking ridiculous I still can't believe we are about to have a Nuclear War over this shit.
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Good thing you're not in a position of power. Why should the Christians get to stay? What's their historic and religious connection to Israel? Oh, right, they claim it vicariously through the Jews.
Go learn something before you spew crap from your mouth.
lx4:
--- Quote from: sdedalus83 on January 30, 2009, 11:45:49 PM ---Mainly because they feel a bit squicky about calling a Palestinian territory what essentially amounts to "Jew Land" in ancient Roman.
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If everyone has to call Peking Beijing and Bombay Mumbai now, they really should use the official name for Judea and Samaria as well. But yeah I understand that it creates some problems.
furuoshiki:
Proin Drakezol:
Sir if you are an Israeli citizen or Zionist Jew please do the following:
1) Get the fuck off the internet and hop on the next plane to Israel, if you are already there then skip to step 2.
2) Kill your local political representative and replace him with someone that has common sense.
I don't claim to know exactly what in the hell is going on over there but evidently you guys are NOT handling your business.
Unfortunately what you have to realize is that this is not my opinion that I am stating here this is what is going to happen if Israel doesn't get their shit in gear. What you don't realize is that our politicians are just like your politicians except more powerful and stupider and as seen with Bush, very hasty to act. What I stated will happen eventually if somebody does not concede. They will clear out the Jews and Arabs and put American [soldiers] there and make it a sanctioned zone. Either that or leave everyone as they are but the land will no longer be considered Israel but an International Military Zone. And trust me if this was McCain he would have already gotten you blown to kingdom come by ordering a hit out on both the leader of Hamas along with Mr. Goat Cheese Amenhijehad.
What Israelis don't seem to realize is they are not just putting themselves in danger of being completely obliterated by Iran, they are putting us in danger by showing improper conduct in War and making more enemies for us.
Aside from this...
Yes I know the UN is gay.
Yes I know technically the Jews are in the right.
However, none of this shit matters when it comes to Power. The USA is dying and our political representatives along with about 60% of the population are either still in a blissful state of ignorance or complete denial.
If the Jews continue to fuck around they will un-do any positive negotiations and/or progress we have made with Egypt and surrounding countries for years to come. Honestly it comes down to this. The Suez Canal or Israel? Which do you think America is going to give up if it ever came down to it?
Pigeon:
--- Quote from: furuoshiki on January 31, 2009, 12:18:36 AM ---Proin Drakezol:
Sir if you are an Israeli citizen or Zionist Jew please do the following:
1) Get the fuck off the internet and hop on the next plane to Israel, if you are already there then skip to step 2.
2) Kill your local political representative and replace him with someone that has common sense.
I don't claim to know exactly what in the hell is going on over there but evidently you guys are NOT handling your business.
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Hi. My name's Pigeon. (not really) I am an American citizen. I am an atheist. I don't give a fuck more or less about the Israeli nation than I do the Arab nation - I only care about the collective decisions of the Israeli and Palestinian people. I also agree wholeheartedly with Proin's foreign policy in regards to Israel.
Do I need to emigrade to Israel or murder somebody or is your ad hominem argument completely without merit?
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