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Gaza showdown
Proin Drakenzol:
--- Quote from: furuoshiki on January 31, 2009, 12:18:36 AM ---Proin Drakezol:
Sir if you are an Israeli citizen or Zionist Jew please do the following:
1) Get the fuck off the internet and hop on the next plane to Israel, if you are already there then skip to step 2.
2) Kill your local political representative and replace him with someone that has common sense.
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I guess I am a "Zionist Jew." I'm also an active duty member of the US Navy. Both of my State's Senators, Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein, are Jewish.
--- Quote ---I don't claim to know exactly what in the hell is going on over there but evidently you guys are NOT handling your business.
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If you don't know what's going on how can you claim anything? The only reason it's still a "problem" is because the strong anti-semetic leanings of many European countries prevent Israel from taking direct action in the fashion of any other country in the world.
--- Quote ---Unfortunately what you have to realize is that this is not my opinion that I am stating here this is what is going to happen if Israel doesn't get their shit in gear. What you don't realize is that our politicians are just like your politicians except more powerful and stupider and as seen with Bush, very hasty to act. What I stated will happen eventually if somebody does not concede. They will clear out the Jews and Arabs and put American [soldiers] there and make it a sanctioned zone. Either that or leave everyone as they are but the land will no longer be considered Israel but an International Military Zone. And trust me if this was McCain he would have already gotten you blown to kingdom come by ordering a hit out on both the leader of Hamas along with Mr. Goat Cheese Amenhijehad.
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You obviously don't know very much about US leanings either (or, let's be perfectly honest here, the strength of the Jewish lobby).
Also, my politicians are your politicians, so that was a completely nonsensical statement. What you stated will not happen ever, you're just stupid. And the US has Israel at "Most Favored Nation" status, the US watches out for Israel's interests. And if push came to shove the US would push Europe into line (don't argue with me about that Ace, we're still strong enough to make it happen through NATO and such).
So, no, I don't think I'll trust you since you've already admitted you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
--- Quote ---What Israelis don't seem to realize is they are not just putting themselves in danger of being completely obliterated by Iran, they are putting us in danger by showing improper conduct in War and making more enemies for us.
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Israel could, and has, spanked Iran's ass. They could do it again.
--- Quote ---Aside from this...
Yes I know the UN is gay.
Yes I know technically the Jews are in the right.
However, none of this shit matters when it comes to Power. The USA is dying and our political representatives along with about 60% of the population are either still in a blissful state of ignorance or complete denial.
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The USA is hardly "dying." The world fell into recession when we did, the world is waiting with bated breath for us to fix ourselves so the world economy picks up. China doesn't want a position of leadership, they're more isolationist than we were after World War I. The EU can't even agree on what kind of drapes to get, let alone on major decisions affecting other countries. So who else to lead but the United States?
Sounds like you're just all doom, gloom, and no brain cells.
--- Quote ---If the Jews continue to fuck around they will un-do any positive negotiations and/or progress we have made with Egypt and surrounding countries for years to come. Honestly it comes down to this. The Suez Canal or Israel? Which do you think America is going to give up if it ever came down to it?
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Why would we have to give up either?
Do you know how strong our Navy is? I do. Do you know how strong Egypt's Navy is? We could beat them with a destroyer squadron.
And Egypt knows what side its bread is buttered on, our side. They rely far too strongly on Western aid, Western tourism and the West in general to dick around. And they hate the Palestinians, too, and kill them even more readily than Israel.
AceHigh:
--- Quote from: Pigeon on January 31, 2009, 06:32:00 AM ---
--- Quote from: furuoshiki on January 31, 2009, 12:18:36 AM ---Proin Drakezol:
Sir if you are an Israeli citizen or Zionist Jew please do the following:
1) Get the fuck off the internet and hop on the next plane to Israel, if you are already there then skip to step 2.
2) Kill your local political representative and replace him with someone that has common sense.
I don't claim to know exactly what in the hell is going on over there but evidently you guys are NOT handling your business.
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Hi. My name's Pigeon. (not really) I am an American citizen. I am an atheist. I don't give a fuck more or less about the Israeli nation than I do the Arab nation - I only care about the collective decisions of the Israeli and Palestinian people. I also agree wholeheartedly with Proin's foreign policy in regards to Israel.
Do I need to emigrade to Israel or murder somebody or is your ad hominem argument completely without merit?
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Ha! Same story here, but I have explained on the last page why I support Israel. In the end it's all about self interest.
--- Quote ---The USA is hardly "dying." The world fell into recession when we did, the world is waiting with bated breath for us to fix ourselves so the world economy picks up. China doesn't want a position of leadership, they're more isolationist than we were after World War I. The EU can't even agree on what kind of drapes to get, let alone on major decisions affecting other countries. So who else to lead but the United States?
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Why do we need someone to lead anyone? Isn't that against the principle of sovereign nations? Why can't the countries just lead themselves? And btw didn't you realise? We don't have a unipolar world, USA isn't leading more then a minority of the world. Especially after Europe said "fuck you" by creating EU.
Proin Drakenzol:
--- Quote from: Dragoon AceHigh on January 31, 2009, 09:48:28 AM ---
--- Quote ---The USA is hardly "dying." The world fell into recession when we did, the world is waiting with bated breath for us to fix ourselves so the world economy picks up. China doesn't want a position of leadership, they're more isolationist than we were after World War I. The EU can't even agree on what kind of drapes to get, let alone on major decisions affecting other countries. So who else to lead but the United States?
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Why do we need someone to lead anyone? Isn't that against the principle of sovereign nations? Why can't the countries just lead themselves? And btw didn't you realise? We don't have a unipolar world, USA isn't leading more then a minority of the world. Especially after Europe said "fuck you" by creating EU.
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I don't know why countries can't lead themselves, they just never seem to be able to do it.
And as I already mentioned, the EU couldn't lead its way out of a paper bag. You yourself don't even like it, at least according to your posts.
And as much as you say the US doesn't lead, I still see so many countries looking to the US to solve the world financial crisis, solve problems in third world countries, provide disaster relief aid, etc.
AceHigh:
--- Quote from: Proin Drakenzol on January 31, 2009, 10:12:35 AM ---I don't know why countries can't lead themselves, they just never seem to be able to do it.
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I disagree. Just because a country doesn't nuke another doesn't mean they can't lead themselves. You see leading a nation is a bout taking care of the people in the country. Obviously you think it means meddling with the affairs of other countries.
--- Quote ---And as I already mentioned, the EU couldn't lead its way out of a paper bag. You yourself don't even like it, at least according to your posts.
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I don't like it exactly because it tries to lead other sovereign nations and it's blackmail methods to gain members. If to think about EU as one country (which is not and never should be), then it's not doing a bad job. It consists of countries who have the best quality of life and who are role models of democracy and way of life in this world.
--- Quote ---And as much as you say the US doesn't lead, I still see so many countries looking to the US to solve the world financial crisis, solve problems in third world countries, provide disaster relief aid, etc.
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US solving problems in third world countries fail in all ways except the military ones. Hell, do you know who is a prime contributor to the UN peacekeeping missions? Pakistan, direct quote from wiki:
--- Quote ---About 4.5% of the troops and civilian police deployed in UN peacekeeping missions come from the European Union and less than one percent from the United States (USA).
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As I said it is not a unipolar world and we can forget the idea of leading anything but ourselves.
lx4:
--- Quote from: Dragoon AceHigh on January 31, 2009, 12:26:55 PM ---
About 4.5% of the troops and civilian police deployed in UN peacekeeping missions come from the European Union and less than one percent from the United States (USA).
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UN peacekeepers have to be seen as neutral so they traditionally come from neutral countries like Sweden or countries who cant be seen as being on one side or the other in the conflict.
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