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Re: Gaza showdown
« Reply #80 on: January 05, 2009, 06:21:37 PM »
I already explained it, some people always pity the weak. Besides they finally got a good reason to throw eggs at the Jews. Anti Semitism justified!

Also that embassy is in Oslo, pussies live in Oslo. Real men live in the fjords and mountains, make homebrew and walk the streets without gloves and hats at minus 30C.
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Re: Gaza showdown
« Reply #81 on: January 05, 2009, 10:55:03 PM »
I don't remember the last time I've seen these kind of protests like what's been going on.   Rock & Egg-throwing at the Israeli embassy in Norway?   That's not normal.

It's normal for communists (antifa) and muslims.
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« Reply #82 on: January 06, 2009, 04:24:26 AM »
I don't remember the last time I've seen these kind of protests like what's been going on.   Rock & Egg-throwing at the Israeli embassy in Norway?   That's not normal.

It's normal for communists (antifa) and muslims. 

... minus the eggs.

I'm talking about Bush & the US condoning & promoting Israeli self-destructive & self-vilification actions - and how they're spreading ill-will all over the place.

It's a dangerous thing.
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Re: Gaza showdown
« Reply #83 on: January 06, 2009, 02:09:03 PM »
kyanwan, israel has always had to have a very swift and hard action police on things that might threaten them.

They are a tiny nation surrounded by countries that would love nothing more but to see them perish.
If they didnt have these policies and way of dealing with their surrounding neighbors they probably would have been wiped off the map already or would be seeing alot more "terrorist" attacks in israel killing hundreds more.

Their actions arent nice, but they are effective in most cases.

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Re: Gaza showdown
« Reply #84 on: January 06, 2009, 08:14:02 PM »
kyanwan, israel has always had to have a very swift and hard action police on things that might threaten them.

They are a tiny nation surrounded by countries that would love nothing more but to see them perish.
If they didnt have these policies and way of dealing with their surrounding neighbors they probably would have been wiped off the map already or would be seeing alot more "terrorist" attacks in israel killing hundreds more.

Their actions arent nice, but they are effective in most cases.

The "all the neighbors want to destroy Israel" ... let's put it this way.

You want to know what the regular Arab says about the situation - to another Arab?

Here:  "What can we do about it?  Israel's too strong."   Diplomacy is the only solution.  Notice Syria.   Lebanon is the reminder of the 6 day war. 

Shit.  They can't do jack - and they know it.   Merkava MK4 vs M60A3/Challenger 1 - you do the math.   guided missles VS homemade rockets.   Is there even a comparison?   And what else?   Israel has a very, very powerful ally - with a military stockpile IN Israel (MAYBE - with short range nuclear weapons.)   The Middle East can't touch Israel - and they know it damn well.   But at the core of Israel's strength - is the SUPPORT they've gotten from the rest of the world.

I'm not talking about the neighbors here.   I'm talking about the rest of the world.  Israel has had global support - they can NOT afford to lose it.   Look what happened in WW2.   A very advanced army - made one wrong move ... and got demolished.   Not because the other side was superior in any way - no - because they ran out of supplies and got wiped out pretty miserably.   I'm talking about the German advance in to Russia.   A near endless Red Army crushed the Germans.   3,000,000 IDF vs how many in the middle east?  350,000,000?   How long do you think Israel would hold out without support? 

Bush & this blind approval of inhumane policies ( 100:1 retaliation ) - is NOT doing anything for global opinion on Israel.   It's making too many people question the validity of what they are doing.  They should not be retaliating like that.

Even look at Iraq - I'm POSITIVE that the US could get kill-rates like Israel is getting.   We're holding back there.   The whole problem - is they're not holding back ... even though they should be.   Some are doing the right thing ( leaflets, warning calls, etc.... ) but others aren't following the command - apparently.

The only way this whole mess might go good - is if this mission succeeds - and breaks Hamas.  (Generally, by showing they're weak, powerless, and full of hot air - which is exactly what they're doing.  What use do they have for a spineless regime - willing to get everyone attacked, but unwilling to step up and fight when the need arises?  How far will suicide bombing go - what happens when all the "fighters" are gone?  Who fights?)

If Hamas survives this conflict - then we got problems.

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« Reply #85 on: January 06, 2009, 08:32:55 PM »
your talking wars of the past, its no longer acceptable to slaughter hundreds of thousands or millions in a war. And your comparing WW2 weapons and tech to todays tech, if you scaled what the germans did into modern technology they would be basically preemptively striking with nuclear warheads.
And its not global support that keeps israel alive, they purchase lots and lots of military supplies globally no country would want to lose them as a customer.

The arab countries point out the obvious fact yea they wont start a fucking war with israel because they would get their asses beat, but plenty of governments in the middle east support terrorist actions against israel or at the very least DONT condemn the actions which equates to support in my opinion.

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« Reply #86 on: January 06, 2009, 08:44:02 PM »
Just want to point out that it is not Israel who is not holding back. It is Hamas who deliberately hold civilian population as a human shield so that they can later take pics of the kids that they failed to keep out of harm's way in order to win a propaganda war.

Just look at many battle lines in WW2, usually the fortifications were made outside the town in order to protect the civilians (although towns still had military HQ and artillery). Still that was honourable soldiers were defending their civilians and settlements, not hiding in them in order to make attacker look bad.

Hamas is fucked up terrorist organization and the "innocent" civilians there who just happen to vote for Hamas a few years back are no better themselves. It is clear that none of them want peace.

Also don't forget that USA has a different mission in Iraq - winning the population over. Israelis primary mission should be forcing into submission. That is best done by short and intense warfare (aka Georgia war), it worked for Americans when they dropped nukes on Japan. Who knows, maybe obliterating Gaza city will make the rest of the strip to lose enough moral to just surrender and stop this bullshit.

Also you have to laugh of news like "blackouts in Gaza after bombing, Israel BAD" and then you just find out that whole Gaza is powered by israeli power plant in Ashkelon which is frequently targeted by Hamas rockets..... WTF???? It's about time Palestinians just accept that Israel came to stay and that if they want a good peaceful life, then they should make the strip under complete Israel control, become the citizens of Israel and live their lives in safety.

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your talking wars of the past, its no longer acceptable to slaughter hundreds of thousands or millions in a war.
It sure is, we just haven't encountered a big war yet.
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« Reply #87 on: January 06, 2009, 09:00:29 PM »
your talking wars of the past, its no longer acceptable to slaughter hundreds of thousands or millions in a war. And your comparing WW2 weapons and tech to todays tech, if you scaled what the germans did into modern technology they would be basically preemptively striking with nuclear warheads.
And its not global support that keeps israel alive, they purchase lots and lots of military supplies globally no country would want to lose them as a customer.

The arab countries point out the obvious fact yea they wont start a fucking war with israel because they would get their asses beat, but plenty of governments in the middle east support terrorist actions against israel or at the very least DONT condemn the actions which equates to support in my opinion.

you're talking out of both sides of your mouth bro. 

On one side - they're killing 100:1.   On the other side, they're dying all over the place.

But back to the obvious. 

Are you blind?   You just said Israel is surrounded by hostile countries.  350,000,000 hostile people - with plenty of guns, money, and oil.   How the hell long do you think it would take them to completely overrrun Israel?  Israel has about 3,000,000 combat-fit people.  Most of them reserve soldiers.   I'm talking - the Red Army mustered up millions - and overwhelmed an undersupplyed Nazi army.   Israel's weakness is they can't carry out a protracted conflict.   If the Arabs were to round up a massive army, attack - how long do you think Israel would hold?   Even with massive casualties - 350,000,000 population - that's frickin huge.   History doesn't' repeat itself?   Hitler sure laughed his ass off at Napoleon's faux-pas of attacking Moscow.   LOL - yeah, right - the all-ass-kicking Nazi army would lose to a bunch of Russian peasants with half-ass equipment.   Yeah, right the 4th most powerful army in the world could POSSIBLY lose to a bunch of Bedouins with half-assed equipment.    Shit happens. 

And the allies of the potential enemy - Iran, Pakistan - they have weapons.  (And Iran - they like to fight.)

If Israel broke its support - who comes to Israel's aid? 

A United States with a smashed economy and overtaxed forces who have already been worn out and can't even control IRAQ?

Or European states whose antisemitism has been resparked by the brutality and inhumanity that Israel has been displaying?

Self destructive.   They're tiptoeing on a fine-line.   If they break the middle eastern iron-fisted monarch control of the populace, all hell might break loose.   Acting they way they're doing right now - is dangerous.  I'm saying we here, the US - should tell them whoa - hold up there buddy ... I think you killed enough people.   Settle down before you break the camel's back.

We're not doing Israel any favors by being blind to what they're doing.  If their support structure breaks - they're fucked. 

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your talking wars of the past, its no longer acceptable to slaughter hundreds of thousands or millions in a war.
It sure is, we just haven't encountered a big war yet.

Damn straight.   These pussy nerf wars as of late - they're nothing.   Plenty of historians have been saying this - that peoples complaints of "casualties" - are unwarranted and idiotic.

There were barely any casualties in these recent "wars".

If you want to think of what a modern war would have as for casualties - picture the US and Russia going all-out.

That's what to expect if there is a next time. 

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Re: Gaza showdown
« Reply #88 on: January 06, 2009, 09:09:21 PM »
Are you blind?   You just said Israel is surrounded by hostile countries.  350,000,000 hostile people - with plenty of guns, money, and oil.   How the hell long do you think it would take them to completely overrrun Israel? 
They did try. the first time was in 1948.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-Israeli_war
and many times since.

The only thing stopping other countries from tearing Israel apart is the US. Iran is ITCHING to launch an attack, and that was a talking point amongst the presidential primaries. Iran has been funneling money, arms an support to the hamas for years. 3 million last year of it legally according to wiki.



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If the Arabs were to round up a massive army, attack - how long do you think Israel would hold? 
And the allies of the potential enemy - Iran, Pakistan - they have weapons.
If Israel broke its support - who comes to Israel's aid? 
We're not doing Israel any favors by being blind to what they're doing. 

War by proxy. USA hates Iran et al, Iran hates Westerners.

It was done in the 90's, it was done in the 80's it will always be done.

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« Reply #89 on: January 06, 2009, 09:35:11 PM »
Um not sure if you realize how ineffective an army of millions upon millions is vs a much much much much better trained and equiped army nowadays.

Comparison of russians vs germans is fucking stupid, german technology was a little bit better then their enemies and they were fighting on 2 fronts most of europe on one front and the massive russian army after suffering massive losses from the winter in soviet russia. As the israelis dont have to worry about winter their FAR superior weaponry could devastate an army many times their own in size. And the US would jump on that fire because its a reason to have alot of their enemies taken out potentially with new leaders who might be willing to deal with the us.

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« Reply #90 on: January 06, 2009, 11:47:38 PM »
In modern war having air superiority is the same as having 10 times bigger army. Air superiority means both support by direct fire and recon.

Also Egypt will not have another war with Israel because they are second to Israel only when it comes to receiving military aid from USA, They are "bought" in other words. Turkey, who has a huge military power in the region will be iether neutral or ally because of their very close ties, despite turks being muslims. Iraq is out of commission. Iran needs to get through Iraq. The rest of the arab nations will not be enough. Also Israel will always get more supply from europe in Mediterranean routes, blocking them would mean that arab nations need to defeat NATO Mediterranean fleet.

Israel has nuclear weapons, they will use it as the weapon of last resort. Conclusion: Israel is stronger then it looks... or rather arab nation are not as united as it would seem.
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Re: Gaza showdown
« Reply #91 on: January 08, 2009, 01:49:36 PM »
* MoonSpot Sings
No one likes us-I don't know why
We may not be perfect, but heaven knows we try
But all around, even our old friends put us down
Let's drop the big one and see what happens

We give them money-but are they grateful?
No, they're spiteful and they're hateful
They don't respect us-so let's surprise them
We'll drop the big one and pulverize them

Carpet bomb Gaza and call it "Glassah strip" or better yet nuke the entire region and rid the world of its stupidity, after that will lynch & hang all the catholic hard liners.  once we kill God in all its man made forms we should have a much better crack at that world peace thing.  at least we'll be left will a more reasonable bunch...even if its only a couple hundred ppl.


maybe we should get celestial being to do an intervention in this one...

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Re: Gaza showdown
« Reply #92 on: January 08, 2009, 05:34:45 PM »
Funny, my colleague said to me "we should just asphalt the whole middle east.... and then put McDonalds in one corner."

What is funnier is that he is somewhat related to jews and his aunt or something is living in Israel. Probably because his only impression of the country was that people there suck at driving causing traffic chaos  ;D
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« Reply #93 on: January 09, 2009, 02:52:44 PM »
Funny, my colleague said to me "we should just asphalt the whole middle east.... and then put McDonalds in one corner."

What is funnier is that he is somewhat related to jews and his aunt or something is living in Israel. Probably because his only impression of the country was that people there suck at driving causing traffic chaos  ;D
silly person your colleague is, turning it to glass would be much more productive because it would make it easier to find oil

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« Reply #94 on: January 09, 2009, 02:56:38 PM »
Well, McDonalds parking lots are all made of asphalt, why change the tradition?
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« Reply #95 on: January 09, 2009, 05:10:08 PM »
because oil > mcdonalds

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« Reply #96 on: January 09, 2009, 06:31:41 PM »
They have done nothing deserving of the McDonald's treatment, but they have shown themselves to be in desperate need of an atomic carpet bombing. Nuclear fallout disipates within a few years, where as a Big Mac and fries will last for eternity.

(ever try yo incinerate a McDonald's fry?)

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« Reply #97 on: January 09, 2009, 11:23:36 PM »
The militant Palestinians have such short sighted goals, if they hold out just a bit longer they'll win the demographics game. Then shortly after that the middle east will be made unlivable as global climate change rears its ugly snake-like head, combining with an already limited water supply and pollution to make a hydra of despair. Then Jesus will descend from the sky on his flying walrus proclaiming our doom, and we'll all get the day off.

In other words, they're all way too stressed out about this occupation thing.
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« Reply #98 on: January 09, 2009, 11:32:14 PM »
The militant Palestinians have such short sighted goals, if they hold out just a bit longer they'll win the demographics game. Then shortly after that the middle east will be made unlivable as global climate change rears its ugly snake-like head, combining with an already limited water supply and pollution to make a hydra of despair. Then Jesus will descend from the sky on his flying walrus proclaiming our doom, and we'll all get the day off.

In other words, they're all way too stressed out about this occupation thing.
what your saying is commit lots of genocide now and save jesus some trouble right ?
or did i misread lol

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« Reply #99 on: January 09, 2009, 11:48:08 PM »
I think someone forgot about the horse men.