Author Topic: Gundam Discussion (Read 12041 times)

Torador · « **Reply #40 on:** January 05, 2009, 05:28:07 PM »

Quote from: nstgc on January 05, 2009, 12:04:32 AM

Its too hard to animate. Its easier to assemble 9 battles using three stages then 4 battles with one stage. You hardly ever see the source of beam and its target without a scene cut in SEED. Plus, that would add an element of epic, which they clearly were trying to avoid.

Yeah, this is true.

Beam Sabers are a good plot device, because the idea is that one hit from one should immediately destroy or severely damage any suit it touches - either way, the battle is over. Directed well, a fight scene with them can be really tense, as both combatants fight harder and harder, searching for that one single hit which is insta-death for the enemy; i.e. Samurai combat on a massive scale.

SEED however went the other direction. The convenient thing about Beam Sabers is if they clash all the time, no-one actually gets hit and there is no damage to the two suits involved. They don't have to animate battle-damage and it makes it easier to re-use animation. Plus, when someone does get hit, you just have a swipe followed by an explosion; no further exhibition is needed. Then of course, Destiny destroyed the "tense" nature of Beam Saber combat by making it far too survivable. Wing, for all of its plot-armour, doesn't even approach THAT moment of Destiny...

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nstgc · « **Reply #41 on:** January 05, 2009, 05:48:25 PM »

Someone needs to reuse Epyon. That thing was epic.

Torador · « **Reply #42 on:** January 05, 2009, 06:24:38 PM »

Quote from: nstgc on January 05, 2009, 05:48:25 PM

Someone needs to reuse Epyon. That thing was epic.

I prefer Tallgeese III, myself, if I'm to pick a favourite suit from Wing.

nstgc · « **Reply #43 on:** January 05, 2009, 06:37:52 PM »

Nah, the sword that Epyon uses is the best in my opinion. I think its the only one that connects directly to the suit. There aren't too many weapon systems on MS which draw from the reactor directly. There were the strange Gundams from X, ZZ (which was a POS of a Gundam). Theres that one cannon that feeds off of other MSs. I'm sure there are more, but I can't remember them. I don't count the Psycho Gundam as a Mobile Suit by the way.

Torador · « **Reply #44 on:** January 05, 2009, 09:31:44 PM »

Quote from: nstgc on January 05, 2009, 06:37:52 PM

Nah, the sword that Epyon uses is the best in my opinion. I think its the only one that connects directly to the suit. There aren't too many weapon systems on MS which draw from the reactor directly. There were the strange Gundams from X, ZZ (which was a POS of a Gundam). Theres that one cannon that feeds off of other MSs. I'm sure there are more, but I can't remember them. I don't count the Psycho Gundam as a Mobile Suit by the way.

Actually, Zeta has the hyper mega cannon or whatever it's called that feeds of a suit's power.

Also, the ending of the Gundam Wing manga is quite different to the anime.

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kureshii · « **Reply #45 on:** January 05, 2009, 11:30:41 PM »

ZZ is pure awesome, even if it's design theme wasn't quite the same as previous Gundams. Also runs on dead people ^^

Rizzler · « **Reply #46 on:** January 05, 2009, 11:57:47 PM »

Hey there, For you that wanted to se Gundam Wing: Odd & Even Numbers subbed i took it on myself and made a little request to shinsen wich i hope will turn out well.

http://forum.shinsen-subs.org/showthread.php?p=160724#post160724

Let's cross our fingers

nstgc · « **Reply #47 on:** January 06, 2009, 01:02:09 AM »

Quote from: kureshii on January 05, 2009, 11:30:41 PM

ZZ is pure awesome, even if it's design theme wasn't quite the same as previous Gundams. Also runs on dead people ^^

The Zeta also ran on dead people. We have reason to believe the Gundam also did. I think it can be assumed that all nyu taipu piloted gundams were, at least in part, run off of the souls of dead people.

kureshii · « **Reply #48 on:** January 06, 2009, 01:46:00 AM »

Oh, but not all of them have beam-saber-of-dead-people-energy

The Zeta has one, ZZ has an even bigger ~~wang~~ one.

nstgc · « **Reply #49 on:** January 06, 2009, 02:23:53 AM »

Carmilla --> pansy

Judau --> gansta who punches that dick Wang

Of course Judau's is bigger!

cheesydude · « **Reply #50 on:** February 12, 2009, 10:47:42 PM »

Moblie Fighter G Gundam, any one?

Troak · « **Reply #51 on:** February 13, 2009, 12:46:06 AM »

Quote from: cheesydude on February 12, 2009, 10:47:42 PM

Moblie Fighter G Gundam, any one?

Just finished watching that today, although my friends all complained about it, I enjoyed it quite a bit. Unlike some of the other Gundam series, it had a pretty exciting start to the series as well (usually takes a few episodes for me to get into other ones).

felix58 · « **Reply #52 on:** February 13, 2009, 04:51:19 PM »

GUndam 00 spoilers season 2
Ok so I am looking for a pic of gundam Exia in season two episode 1 where it is missing its eye and arm with the cool cape on. lolz i thought it was the coolest but i'm not at home to make a pic puleaze help out. I need to make a point and someone is being a lil betch. IMO see if anoune agrees with me thou i might be wrong. I consider the exia we are seeing now the new* exia
and the old one in season 1 that was serously dammages missing and eye and a freagin arm to be the old* exia.. again io could just be crazy..

UMMX · « **Reply #53 on:** February 13, 2009, 11:09:59 PM »

Quote from: felix58 on February 13, 2009, 04:51:19 PM

GUndam 00 spoilers season 2
Ok so I am looking for a pic of gundam Exia in season two episode 1 where it is missing its eye and arm with the cool cape on. lolz i thought it was the coolest but i'm not at home to make a pic puleaze help out. I need to make a point and someone is being a lil betch. IMO see if anoune agrees with me thou i might be wrong. I consider the exia we are seeing now the new* exia
and the old one in season 1 that was serously dammages missing and eye and a freagin arm to be the old* exia.. again io could just be crazy..

If your asking if the Exia Gundam form season 2 episode 1 is the same one form the end of the first season episode 25 then your right.

But if you think that Gundam 00 is Exia then your wrong.

felix58 · « **Reply #54 on:** February 13, 2009, 11:37:46 PM »

to be honest lolz i just ingnore the kid now
but yea that is what he was saying is that the current 00' with 2 gn drives is exia and i said um no exia was fked up and upgraded to the new one. the old one imo again.. died i mean the thing was missin an eye and arm

UMMX · « **Reply #55 on:** February 15, 2009, 05:40:34 AM »

Quote from: felix58 on February 13, 2009, 11:37:46 PM

to be honest lolz i just ingnore the kid now
but yea that is what he was saying is that the current 00' with 2 gn drives is exia and i said um no exia was fked up and upgraded to the new one. the old one imo again.. died i mean the thing was missin an eye and arm

That kid need to watch episode 25 of the first season again and the first 4 episode of second season.

I feel sorry for Exia...Once the Exia GN Drive was removed they just Through it away!!!! I would have at least keep it around for it to be fix.

I can understand why he would think that, Exia was just a copy of 00 and Exia buster cannon was just an copy of 00 Razer. But it also tell you that in the end of the first season.

panicfire · « **Reply #56 on:** February 15, 2009, 10:15:19 PM »

i just finished (re)watching Gundam 0079

and what i noticed is that the idea of the gundam having several parts
that get assembled, is redone in seed.

also my favorite gundam would have to be Seed, because of the story
but over all i love ALL gundam series.
if i look at wing and seed, seed wins it for me
and not because of how it looks or anything, just the story
grabs me more then that of Wing.
it's a shame not all gundam series are available on box

UMMX · « **Reply #57 on:** February 16, 2009, 06:19:06 PM »

I will agree with you Seed is little better wing. I will say that I had high hope for 00 but because of what happen in the last episode..... I am losing hope for it.

traen · « **Reply #58 on:** February 16, 2009, 09:59:00 PM »

Quote from: UMMX on February 16, 2009, 06:19:06 PM

I will agree with you Seed is little better wing. I will say that I had high hope for 00 but because of what happen in the last episode..... I am losing hope for it.

I *tear*ed. ): And the guy who quit Gundam 00 because of the Throne Gundams, keep going. I know they pissed me off. *evil grin*

Anyways, I don't think anyone's really touched up on this, but Gundam 00 seems to be for Gundam Wing what Gundam SEED was trying to be for the UC Gundams. At least that's what people on other sites/discussions have been insinuating. Myself, I've never seen UC because of the lower quality of animation and I've gotten through about 4 episodes of SEED before putting it on extended hiatus until I'm bored enough to try again. That said, reading through this forum's sparked an interest in me to hit up UC, especially since so many of you are of the opinion that it trumps SEED (and every other Gundam), regardless of animation.
I also went through Gundam Wing and I'm inclined to agree with a lot of your complaints about it--i.e. cardboard characters, slow-moving plot, rehashed animation cycles; I think while I was going through it, I asked myself a lot of times why I was still watching it and what all the hype was about. Still, IMO just like Gundam 00 has done and continues to do, the plot really kicks off in the second half--when the storyboard designers either had enough build-up to actually craft a better story or (and this is what I think) when they eventually realized that their audience hated the 2D storyline and decided to throw logic to the dogs and just throw in random stuff that ended up becoming a pretty captivating story. And then the mech designs for Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz just took the cake.
I'm a real fanboy of Gundam 00, maybe because it's also slightly reminiscent of Code Geass and the good points of Wing, but I hope it ends up with a better ending than Wing did--oh right, the whole "Foundation" idea and the master plan of Aeolia Schenberg is also something straight out of Isaac Asimov, which I had the good fortune of reading before starting 00. [on a side note, if you liked Dune, read Asimov's Foundation series up to the point where he decided to merge his other two series and bank the hell out of what he'd written for decades, effectively mucking up ALL three at once. Damn capitalists.] Also, Gundam 00 seems to focus less on what Gundams look like as opposed to what they're capable of doing, which sucks for eyecandy and modelers, but it gives the story people a lot of things to play with. Instrumentality~ho!

Also... G Gundam is like.. the Tengen Toppa of Gundam. I figure it's random implausibility is made up for by the battles, Shining Finger, the really badass major antagonist, and an awesome brother. It's one of those guilty pleasures people (men) like to watch just because it's so "hoo-rah." Testosterone yay!

machray · « **Reply #59 on:** February 17, 2009, 01:22:39 AM »

Ok, so I started to pick up on alot of gundam series lately because i really got into the dynasty warriors gundam game. After watching the 0079 movies I got hooked. Even if the animation is dated the plot was good enough to more than makeup for it. I went on to watch z and zz which were much more entertaining although it took me a little while to warm up to zz. I hated the opening song for zz at first and thought the series started out kind of kiddish. But I loved the way all three series connected together.

Now im wondering if i should watch all the episodes of 0079 if i missed out on anything i didnt get in the movies.

Also I seen wing back in the toonami days, going to rewatch it at some point. I really enjoyed turn a, pretty good quality animation, nice plot, and i enjoyed the characters the most. Ive stalled on X and V. Ive got G, 00, and seed waiting to be watched too.

Another thing Ive been wondering about is wasnt it pretty stupid of the the design of zz to have to combine using 3 piloted parts? if the parts are seperated and you only have one pilot then your SOL and cant form the suit quickly. Even the docking sequence needs the 3 parts to be piloted, if anything the sequence should be auto pilot enabled. Anyways a mobile suit should only need 1 pilot, the more people you need to pilot it the more complications there can be. Same goes for power rangers, not that ive watched them since the original one.