Windows 7 and general bitching about OSes

[iindigo]

Actually, I prefer it this way. How often do you need to access the "Users\USERNAME\" folder? I know I almost never do. So, the fact that Windows explorer skips these totally unused folders and sticks to the important ones is IMHO better. It'd be nice to have an option to chnge this, though, for the people who need it.

Umm, actually, I use my home folder on OS X quite a bit. Everything is in subdirectories of folders in my home folder (i.e. ~/Movies/Anime/, ~/Documents/Code/ ~/Music/iTunes/, etc). It's nicer and more organized than lumping everything into a generic documents folder and neater than flooding the root level of your boot drive with tons of folders.

[AceHigh]

Bwahaha, you seriously save stuff like music and movies on the same physical drive as your OS? Dude, what a hell?...

Way better to have drive D for anime, Drive F for movies etc.... now THAT is organized 

[zherok]

But it's the same on a console - one analog stick fr moving, the other for targeting. The general principle isthe same, but the difference is that a pad is just much, much slower that a keyboard+mouse combo.

It's also the degree of precision. Speed alone isn't why so many FPS console games have some degree of auto-aim.

[Lonewolf5460]

Bwahaha, you seriously save stuff like music and movies on the same physical drive as your OS? Dude, what a hell?...

Way better to have drive D for anime, Drive F for movies etc.... now THAT is organized 

That is what I do A: is windows 7, C: is vista (same physical drive). D: is anime 1 drive,  L: is a separate drive, is my back up of my music, anime that i wont re watch anytime soon, all my programs for a reinstalls, my wallpapers and photos ect.

Also the way i have my back up drive privileges set up if i want to move/add/delete a file it asks for UAC then administrator privileges before anything happens.

[iindigo]

Bwahaha, you seriously save stuff like music and movies on the same physical drive as your OS? Dude, what a hell?...

Way better to have drive D for anime, Drive F for movies etc.... now THAT is organized 

Some of us don't have more HDs than we have hairs on our heads >_> I have one 500GB main and one 500GB mix backup/anime storage.

[AceHigh]

Do you know how cheap the externals are these days?

[fohfoh]

500GB? Don't you friggin know how to make partitions? Or are you going to say OSX and many linux distros have "evolved" beyond the need for partitions and the only reason you'd make one is because microsoft would shit itself if it was installed beside OSX?

"Consoles" will never disappear. Rather, it might be a merge in the opposite direction. Handhelds/phones etc will take over while consoles and computers will be merged into them.

[AceHigh]

Partitions suck, my thumb rule is one partition per hard drive, I bet indigo has a similar train of thought.

[iindigo]

Do you know how cheap the externals are these days?

Yeah I do, 500GB drives are somewhere between $55-$80 US depending on brand and case features. I still can't afford them.

500GB? Don't you friggin know how to make partitions? Or are you going to say OSX and many linux distros have "evolved" beyond the need for partitions and the only reason you'd make one is because microsoft would shit itself if it was installed beside OSX?

"Consoles" will never disappear. Rather, it might be a merge in the opposite direction. Handhelds/phones etc will take over while consoles and computers will be merged into them.

I don't really have anything against partitions, other than having tons of volume icons eating my desktop space. I just don't want to be bothered with having to resize one if, say, my anime collection grew larger than what the partition could handle.

[AceHigh]

Yeah I do, 500GB drives are somewhere between $55-$80 US depending on brand and case features. I still can't afford them.

Holy shit that is cheap, here they start at about 100USD and go up to 150USD if I want eSATA features. So stop whining, buy an external and don't keep stash on your OS drive 

I don't really have anything against partitions, other than having tons of volume icons eating my desktop space. I just don't want to be bothered with having to resize one if, say, my anime collection grew larger than what the partition could handle.

Amen.

[iindigo]

Holy shit that is cheap, here they start at about 100USD and go up to 150USD if I want eSATA features. So stop whining, buy an external and don't keep stash on your OS drive 

No, I'm literally broke - as in $0 broke >_> That will change when my college loans come in, though... plan to get myself a nice desktop setup with a number of internal drives if possible.

Back on topic - Will Windows 7 finally graduate from NTFS or will Windows users have to stick with the creaky old filesystem for years to come?

[Reinvent]

I actually read most of the seven pages and I can say topics changed like ... something that changes a lot...

Anyways... I would like to try Windows 7 when it is finalized, since it seems much improved: OSX and PC are both good for our anime, but OSX isn't compatible with all our games, unless you are counting Bootcamp: there are games for PC, for consoles, and for both: why not put everything on one partition or HD if you have space?

[AceHigh]

No, I'm literally broke - as in $0 broke >_> That will change when my college loans come in, though... plan to get myself a nice desktop setup with a number of internal drives if possible.

So my theory about mac users being unemployed was true 

Back on topic - Will Windows 7 finally graduate from NTFS or will Windows users have to stick with the creaky old filesystem for years to come?

I did let it slide last time I saw that, now I have to ask: what is wrong with NTFS? It supports twice the size of the files compared to HFS+, superior encryption and security features, better time stamp rate, single instance storage... It is robust and works well.

[kyanwan]

Sweet vindication.   I've said all along:  Vista blows.   Not just because it was blah - and I generally have a deep-seated disdain for Microsoft ... but because technically - under the hood - it sure as hell did. 

Enough said about that - I don't need to delve into the reasons ( largest - being it's an absolute pig and eating 1GB of ram for just a shitty OS to run. )

I said - happily - with my still unused Vista Premium COA sitting in a box ... I'll stick with XP.   

And - lo & behold - Microsoft has seen the light.   +1 for them.

The more I hear about Win7 - the more I want to see the next Windows 98/2000.

Know.   

They're living up to their BS these days.

They've got a hit.   They've got a miss, then a hit built off that miss.   

Win95 = shit.
Win98 = Killer.
WinME = shit
Win2K = Killer
WinXP = Wait ... I just killed my own theory!
Vista = Rancid Maggot-infested Shit
Win7 = (?, but it's looking killer so far.)

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NTFS is good for my purposes.  It's never failed me yet.  The only thing I could possibly more - is Unix-like robust permissions and enhanced file security.

The defragmenting thing ...

Yeah. 

Back when I thought I knew shit about computers I cared about Defragmenting.  Now - I just find it to be a waste of a few hours.

These days - I just buy a new hard drive or delete shit.

Or better yet - stick with having a few GB free on the drive.

And even better yet: 
Keep a dedicated OS drive/partition - with plenty of free space.
( Notice how guided Linux installs suggest you to do the above. )

And finally - the anti-pack-rat rule.

If I haven't used it for 6-12 months, I'll probably never use it again.  Trash.  Works wonders.   If you're living with a nearly full & fragmented drive these days - you really need to take that hard drive, drill a hole through it then smash it with a sledgehammer - and get a bigger drive.  There's no excuse to have no space.  ( Before you embarrass yourself - don't attempt to explain fragmentation to me.  I know more about it than you do. )

[iindigo]

So my theory about mac users being unemployed was true 

Only because this town I'm living next to is really damn poor, full of old people, and doesn't have very many jobs that are worth a damn. I can't commute, either, since I can't drive.

I did let it slide last time I saw that, now I have to ask: what is wrong with NTFS? It supports twice the size of the files compared to HFS+, superior encryption and security features, better time stamp rate, single instance storage... It is robust and works well.

I'm not worried about Apple's decisions on filesystems since they've been prepping for a transition to ZFS for a while now (might even happen as soon as 10.6). HFS+ has served me pretty solidly, anyway.

It may just be a side-effect of Windows itself, but NTFS has always felt a little flakey to me. I've had it do things like make normal, unhidden files stored on a perfectly good drive show up just fine on one system and then pretend to not even exist when hooked up to another. Other than that, I don't really know how to describe it. It's not the drives I'm using, either - the same exact drives work fine when formatted with ext2/3 or HFS+...

[AceHigh]

It may just be a side-effect of Windows itself, but NTFS has always felt a little flakey to me.

See your problem right there? Here you go with feelings again. I though we talked about that the last time 

I've had it do things like make normal, unhidden files stored on a perfectly good drive show up just fine on one system and then pretend to not even exist when hooked up to another. Other than that, I don't really know how to describe it. It's not the drives I'm using, either - the same exact drives work fine when formatted with ext2/3 or HFS+...

Linux and Mac have either limited NTFS reading capabilities or sometimes not capable of it at all. It has nothing to to with the NTFS at all. NTFS works like a charm with windows - OS it was designed for. For linux there are great guides out there how to work with NTFS.

[SeanSadistiK]

I'm really hoping it doesn't suck, because my mother is going to have to get it on her laptop since her vista fails so horribly, and if I have to put up with her complaining, I am stabbing Bill Gates.

[fohfoh]

I'm really hoping it doesn't suck, because my mother is going to have to get it on her laptop since her vista fails so horribly, and if I have to put up with her complaining, I am stabbing Bill Gates.

Learn to use linux. It's not that god damn hard.

kyanwan, your setup isn't that messed up. 98 sucked, 98 SE was good. and I think ME was after 2000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows

Windows 7 isn't bad. I get the random BSOD, but it IS a beta build. So it should be ok in the proper version. (delayed indefinitely till quality control checks out)

[AceHigh]

Learn to use linux. It's not that god damn hard.

He wants less complaining, not more.

[PowerMac]

Linux and Mac have either limited NTFS reading capabilities or sometimes not capable of it at all. It has nothing to to with the NTFS at all. NTFS works like a charm with windows - OS it was designed for. For linux there are great guides out there how to work with NTFS.

You would be Correct. Mac OS X can only read NTFS drives, not write to them and its not even that good at reading. You can use 3rd party programs to write to NTFS drives but ive never found them to be very reliable. Linux may or may not support NTFS depending on the distro, however you can easily add NTFS support to linux.

Still when I want storage that can be access by all three OSes I use FAT32, never fails .