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Windows 7 and general bitching about OSes
Lupin:
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--- Quote from: dankles on February 05, 2009, 09:10:00 PM ---Shun windows 7! More DRM spyware sh1t !!
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this comment came from a person that primarily uses linux.
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Linux is a superior OS. I have freedom and am not bound by copyright restrictions and DRM
If you like the fact that Microsoft owns your PC system, then feel free to using it.
DRM gives power to Microsoft and big media.
* They decide which programs you can and can't use on your computer
* They decide which features of your computer or software you can use at any given moment
* They force you to install new programs even when you don't want to (and, of course, pay for the privilege)
* They restrict your access to certain programs and even to your own data files
DRM is enforced by technological barriers. You try to do something, and your computer tells you that you can't. To make this effective, your computer has to be constantly monitoring what you are doing. This constant monitoring uses computing power and memory, and is a large part of the reason why Microsoft is telling you that you have to buy new and more powerful hardware in order to run Vista. They want you to buy new hardware not because you need it, but because your computer needs it in order to be more effective at restricting what you do.
Microsoft says it best:
--- Quote ---The software is licensed, not sold. This agreement only gives you some rights to use the software. Microsoft reserves all other rights. Unless applicable law gives you more rights despite this limitation, you may use the software only as expressly permitted in this agreement. In doing so, you must comply with any technical limitations in the software that only allow you to use it in certain ways.
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To make it even more confusing, different versions of Vista have different licensing restrictions. You can read all of the licenses at http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/useterms/default.aspx
Technology security expert Bruce Schneier explains it most concisely:
--- Quote ---Windows Vista includes an array of “features” that you don't want. These features will make your computer less reliable and less secure. They'll make your computer less stable and run slower. They will cause technical support problems. They may even require you to upgrade some of your peripheral hardware and existing software. And these features won't do anything useful. In fact, they're working against you. They're digital rights management (DRM) features built into Vista at the behest of the entertainment industry—And you don't get to refuse them.
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I know that all of this speaks against Vista, but it applies to Windows 7 as well.
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i simply don't don't like the way posted it.
it sounds like you hate microsoft, thus you also hate windows. do you use windows on a regular basis? or you hate windows because of all the hate you hear about it from FSF?
what you posted may be the truth and i somewhat agree with most of them. it's just irritating to hear people say shitty things about something they already have a bias against. it's similar to those mac fanbois who say their os is the best when they haven't even tried other OSes.
i use different operating systems. i use ubuntu/fedora/red hat/centos in school while i use windows xp/vista/7 at home. i also use osx when i need to. i think each of these operating systems were developed with different philosophies in mind.
dankles:
--- Quote from: fohfoh on February 06, 2009, 12:32:29 AM ---It's great that you like Linux... BUT TOO FUCKING BAD I CAN'T USE BUSINESS PROGRAMS IN WINE!
MICROSOFT MIGHT SUCK BUT I CAN'T FULLY GET RID OF IT!
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Lots of business programs run under linux... Though I did *have* to run WinXP once upon a time when I was programming with .NET 1.1.... so i don't completely shun Windows/MS... unless it's WinVista or Win7 because they include all the drm stuff.
--- Quote from: iindigo on February 06, 2009, 12:35:43 AM ---Are you sure that the DRM components are on and running all the time? I mean that sounds kind of silly. If it's anything like the (very minimal) DRM in OS X from iTunes, it only applies when a DRM-affected music or video file is open, and even then it's not "active" protection - just stuff like export functions and such are unavailable on that file.
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Vista gives Microsoft the ability to control *everything* on your system if they want (hence the license agreement)... wither it's all run-time or not I don't know, but I don't want those "features" none the less.
--- Quote from: Lupin on February 06, 2009, 12:51:49 AM ---i simply don't don't like the way posted it.
it sounds like you hate microsoft, thus you also hate windows. do you use windows on a regular basis? or you hate windows because of all the hate you hear about it from FSF?
what you posted may be the truth and i somewhat agree with most of them. it's just irritating to hear people say shitty things about something they already have a bias against. it's similar to those mac fanbois who say their os is the best when they haven't even tried other OSes.
i use different operating systems. i use ubuntu/fedora/red hat/centos in school while i use windows xp/vista/7 at home. i also use osx when i need to. i think each of these operating systems were developed with different philosophies in mind.
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I guess I *did* over react a bit by calling it shit, but I still feel that a move to Vista/Win7 (not specifically MS) is a move away from software freedom. I don't like it with corporations have the ability to forcefully control the user when it should be the other way around. No I don't think all software needs to be free/gratis, but should be at least for the most part free/libre.
That said... priority one is to put money on the table, and if MS is required to do business then so be it. I have a job that lets me run Linux or what ever OS I want, but not everyone has that luxury...
dankles:
Just remembered an excellent real life example of how malicious DRM can be:
Google Video robs customers of the videos they "own"
I still use google, guys.... just for the record...
And the same thing can apply to Vista/Win7 so far as Government Law allows it.
fohfoh:
I've actually tried a couple of those programs in wine. It gets all screwed up to the point where I can't use it. (goes off the screen, or doesn't show up properly etc.) I had the same happen with agent once too. I could only resolve it via a fresh install. (installing the os and then software everytime is pointless)
dankles:
--- Quote from: fohfoh on February 06, 2009, 03:57:00 AM ---I've actually tried a couple of those programs in wine. It gets all screwed up to the point where I can't use it. (goes off the screen, or doesn't show up properly etc.) I had the same happen with agent once too. I could only resolve it via a fresh install. (installing the os and then software everytime is pointless)
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Just don't use wine... I personally hate it (though it does run MS Notepad perfectly lol). Find a replacement program like openoffice is to MS Office.
Or if it's a business program then you're probably S.O.L. ... thats when I'd go with VMWare or Xen or something lol. But thats coming from a linux obsessed maniac ;D
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