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Windows 7 and general bitching about OSes
AceHigh:
--- Quote from: iindigo on January 09, 2009, 09:00:08 PM ---You may not care, but many do. When you stare at a computer screen for hours and hours each day, it's nice for the interface to not make your eyes bleed.
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You mean look at it for 2 minutes before you start an actual program that you need to use... which is usually full screen.
What a hell do I see there? Windows Basic theme? Classic as well, oh I can change all colours to the ones I want. What else do you need anyway?
--- Quote ---P.S. the Windows skinning system is still really weak, even in Vista. Whenever a program locks up, all the flashy Aero makeup washes right off to reveal a badly-distorted Win2K window frame... Hopefully Windows 7 includes skinning at a core level instead of just being a cheap overlay.
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Hopefully not, I am tired of the bloat. I want Windows Classic theme that doesn't hog resources.
nstgc:
Or better, make it so you can have fancy effects and be able to use your system at the same time. I know I'm being hopelessly idealistic, but there aren't any good reasons why it can't be.
iindigo:
--- Quote from: nstgc on January 09, 2009, 10:11:34 PM ---Or better, make it so you can have fancy effects and be able to use your system at the same time. I know I'm being hopelessly idealistic, but there aren't any good reasons why it can't be.
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I agree. Linux with GNOME/KDE and OS X have been doing it for ages now, there's no reason Windows shouldn't be able to as well. Both aforementioned systems are quite snappy while also having a UI theme that actually looks like it was created sometime within the past couple years.
@Ace, the Windows Basic theme still has problems with it. Look at those massive borders, they eat up a ridiculous amount of screen real estate. A number of buttons sizes and such are off too, and the colors could be better. However, I'll agree that it's an improvement over full-blown Aero and is probably what I would use if I didn't have time to find a theme.
Also, I hate hate hate hate the "maximize every window" style of doing things, it's so frustrating and wasteful of screen space - honestly, what's the point of having a massive 24" or 30" display if a single window is gonna take up the entire screen. You might as well buy a 15" 1024x768 display.
nstgc:
--- Quote from: iindigo on January 09, 2009, 10:46:31 PM ---Also, I hate hate hate hate the "maximize every window" style of doing things, it's so frustrating and wasteful of screen space - honestly, what's the point of having a massive 24" or 30" display if a single window is gonna take up the entire screen. You might as well buy a 15" 1024x768 display.
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What are you reffering to here? The maximize window button? I use those and I have a 20" 1680x1050 display. Very nice sometimes. Since getting this monitor about two years ago I have hardly found a need, but the need does sometimes pop up.
As for the resources, I didn't want to bring in Gnome KDE or what I'm currently using Xfce, but I may as well do so now. With Firefox running compositing (what Aero uses that fucks people over), transmission [edit]a bittorrent client[/edit], and everything else I'm using 350 MB of RAM. When I was using Gnome and Compiz, that was 450 MB. Search YouTube for "Compiz" or "Byrle" (which is oooooold) and then tell me that Aero is more demanding for good reason.
It is incomprehensible why Microsoft has such useless, clumsy, resource sapping interfaces. Its completely need less. If volunteers doing it for free can do it, why can't MS with its army of highly skilled software engineers?
iindigo:
What I was specifically referring is a workflow style that seems to be the most dominate in Windows users. Regardless of the application or what it does, they absolutely MUST maximize every window they come across. I find it unfriendly to multitasking and wasteful of screen space.
And yeah, Aero is set up pretty badly. If a forced, hacked OS X install can run half-crippled on a generic VGA driver with full UI effects enabled on a pitifully old 1.8Ghz P4 Dell without slowing down the system, you'd think Aero would have no trouble on the exact same machine, but that's certainly not the case.
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