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Windows 7 and general bitching about OSes
nstgc:
If you aren't a gamer, so long as you use an nVidia card, you have no reason not to use Linux. If you are a gamer, you almost have to have either a console (video game...not *nix) or a copy of some Windows. Right now you can't really game without at least XP.
I myself am having to log in to play non-HD video. Just this morning I figured out how to get mplayer and its renderers to work with my damn Radeon 3200 (I sent in the 3780 because it had a short >.<), but I still have problems with non-HD videos. The problem is the picture is too small, but enlargement via "-vf scale" doesn't seem to go well with
"-vo gl:ati-hack:yuv=2:force-pbo" which is necessary for vsync. HD video can be run as is so the conflict never occures. Weird huh? Once my video card comes back I shouldn't have any problems.
Under normal circumstances the OpenGL render is much better then the VMR9 or Halli's but under extraordinary circumstances, like mine right now, this isn't true. The video quality is still better, but since it relies so heavily on the video card (or so it seems) with integrated graphics, I'm pretty much stuck. This is not a case of Windows triumphing over Linux, this is just a case of cases.
fohfoh:
Umm.... I don't know what ports you're looking at, but I know at least that for accounting, OSX ports SUCK SHIT. There's also issues with these programs on vista, but no where as bad as OSX. They all work the best on XP. I shit you not.
Yes. All 3 OSes are the same on the basic level... which is why I choose linux over Mac. IF they share a same base, why the hell do I choose the more expensive one just for a slightly better look when I can mod that myself (litestep) in windows or (compiz) for linux. It's silly. People want to be lazy and pay so they don't have to do anything and have some look half decent. It's like paying someone to restring a guitar for you, or to fill up windshield wiper fluid in a car, etc.
I don't hate OSX, I just refuse to spend good money on a more expensive set up when I know what I'm doing for the most part when it comes to computers. I'd rather pay less, pirate or w/e and then have a decent looking laptop (Used to be HP, but now those ones kind of suck) a decent UI that I can mod, and a fist full of cash to buy.... some GREAT for real life. Idk... a nice cellphone instead of a shitty brick? A new game for a console or computer? Payment for paintball games etc. Macs are good for school. Decent battery life, "stable", basic work processing basic stuff... etc.
But if I want basic, it's called the asus eee pc.
AceHigh:
--- Quote from: iindigo on January 10, 2009, 02:11:15 AM ---It's also more conducive to drag and drop, which is very heavily and extensively supported under Mac OS in both Apple and third-party applications of all kinds.
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I see, you workflow is important when you are "working" shuffling files from one place to another.... you are unemployed, aren't you?
--- Quote ---Only the UI is considered these days because honestly, all three OSes are equally capable at the base level. DirectX doesn't really hold anything over OpenGL; it's just more widely supported, and with WINE for both Linux and OS X becoming better each day, it's less and less of a selling point for Windows all the time.
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YOU told in the previous post that Windows had bad support for something as trivial as skins, yet you mention something like WINE? A program when you almost always need to use some hacks and fixes in order to make a program work?
--- Quote ---As for software... let's be honest, most applications that are useful to more than 5 people on the planet have a port or equivalent
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That is bullshit and you know it (or should have) Just because you don't have anything serious to do with a computer doesn't mean eveybody is like that. For example I who have a job have already encountered that. Our AVR-JTAG rig is supported only on windows. We tried a free solution using Cygwin and some packages, but that was an experiment doomed to fail, so my company just bought a new Atmel JTAG rig and run it in windows 2000 (as if we would trust anything else at work...)
--- Quote ---Well that's nice and all, but if by some wonder of nature I become a heavy gamer (I'm anything but that now) I'll be playing most of those same games right alongside you in WINE or dual-booted Windows while I enjoy surfing wirelessly on my standard-with-all-Macs (as it should be) AirPort card. Don't go and act like hardware support is nonexistent on Macs; the only thing that will give you trouble are a few random outdated printers and standard unflashed PC graphics cards. Every other component, whether it's a hard drive, optical drive, audio card, networking card, whatever - will probably work fine on a Mac. Trust me when I say that we're really not missing out on anything.
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My driver attack was against Linux, not Mac, I am aware that mac has no problems with drivers because of extremely limited hardware. What you are missing out on is the freedom of customization. You just have in you macs what Jobs decides is best for you. On other hand seriously, Linux and wireless cards hate each other.
--- Quote ---I guess you could say it's really very similar to picking out a car on the lot; yeah, they'll all get you from point A to point B, but you'll probably enjoy the ride more if you pick a car that suits your tastes instead of just taking whatever model is currently populating the roads.
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No, it's more like I choose a car because it is practical and a popular means of transportation, while you buy a trike because of fancy design, rarity and it just happened to be of less practical use.
--- Quote ---Yes. All 3 OSes are the same on the basic level... which is why I choose linux over Mac. IF they share a same base, why the hell do I choose the more expensive one just for a slightly better look when I can mod that myself (litestep) in windows or (compiz) for linux. It's silly. People want to be lazy and pay so they don't have to do anything and have some look half decent. It's like paying someone to restring a guitar for you, or to fill up windshield wiper fluid in a car, etc.
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True, but you must not forget that they are a species that do not make their own choices, just buy a finished rig never knowing what's inside there, because they completely trust that Apple can make a choice for them.
And although I don't think linux is near the same usability as windows, I still need to praise it for the servers.
sdedalus83:
--- Quote from: Dragoon AceHigh on January 10, 2009, 11:01:42 AM ---My driver attack was against Linux, not Mac, I am aware that mac has no problems with drivers because of extremely limited hardware. What you are missing out on is the freedom of customization. You just have in you macs what Jobs decides is best for you. On other hand seriously, Linux and wireless cards hate each other.
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If we're going to talk about driver support at install, neither Windows nor OSX have anything on Linux, which, in most distros, has drivers for the vast majority of hardware compiled into the kernel or as modules.
And wireless card support has gotten dramatically better in the last couple of years.
Video card support still sucks, and quite a few printers lack drivers, but a lot of older hardware (stuff connecting via serial and parallel ports) will only work on Linux (or Win2k, which is worse than Linux with a lot of the newer hardware) as OSX and Vista have abandoned support for a lot of legacy stuff.
For the typical desktop user, Windows has better driver support since they'll never install an OS any hardware that doesn't plug into a USB slot. Once you get out of the mainstream, Linux becomes a much more competitive option, and in some cases the only one.
AceHigh:
Well, out of the mainstream especially at my work it seems that industry favours windows more then anything, and trust me they use anything but the USB.
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