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Windows 7 and general bitching about OSes
iindigo:
--- Quote from: Dragoon AceHigh on January 10, 2009, 11:01:42 AM ---I see, you workflow is important when you are "working" shuffling files from one place to another.... you are unemployed, aren't you?
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It's not just files. You can drag and drop just about anything, including selected text, graphics, audio clips, and more. For example, when I need to use an image off the web in one of my Photoshop compositions in some way, I can just drag the image straight from the page onto the PS icon or directly into one of the PS document windows. It gets the image from point A to point B and allows you to keep your current clipboard contents without saving a file anywhere as an inbetween. I also use it to save little bits of important or interesting text out of web pages and emails on the desktop as text clippings, no need to open a text editor.
P.S. Yes, I'm currently unemployed, but I haven't always been that way. Three or four years ago, I worked as a software UI and general graphics designer for a company in Texas, which paid pretty decently.
--- Quote from: Dragoon AceHigh on January 10, 2009, 11:01:42 AM ---YOU told in the previous post that Windows had bad support for something as trivial as skins, yet you mention something like WINE? A program when you almost always need to use some hacks and fixes in order to make a program work?
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In my experience, WINE only has trouble with lazily-programmed applications. I've had plenty of things run just as well as they do in Windows under WINE. For things that run badly or not at all, there's always virtualization and dual-booting.
--- Quote from: Dragoon AceHigh on January 10, 2009, 11:01:42 AM ---That is bullshit and you know it (or should have) Just because you don't have anything serious to do with a computer doesn't mean eveybody is like that. For example I who have a job have already encountered that. Our AVR-JTAG rig is supported only on windows. We tried a free solution using Cygwin and some packages, but that was an experiment doomed to fail, so my company just bought a new Atmel JTAG rig and run it in windows 2000 (as if we would trust anything else at work...)
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That is niche software and you know it. Testing circuitry isn't an everyday common job unless you happen to be working in an electronics plant (and the majority isn't). Neither Macs or Linux are terribly suitable for factory/assembly line anyway, which I have no trouble admitting.
I am speaking from a home user and to some extent, office user standpoint (though I am aware that a LOT of in-company corporate software is written in ASP and ActiveX, which limits Mac and Linux usability in a company). Anything that the general consumer, "pro" consumer, all-out geek, or those with more commonplace jobs are going to need is probably available in one form or another on all three platforms.
--- Quote from: Dragoon AceHigh on January 10, 2009, 11:01:42 AM ---My driver attack was against Linux, not Mac, I am aware that mac has no problems with drivers because of extremely limited hardware. What you are missing out on is the freedom of customization. You just have in you macs what Jobs decides is best for you. On other hand seriously, Linux and wireless cards hate each other.
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I'll continue on what I was saying earlier. Provided I had a Mac Pro tower, I could plug in just about any card, optical drive, hard drive, sound card, whatever and probably have a good or complete support for it. One example off the top of my head is Intel's professional high-grade gigabit ethernet cards - though their boxes say "Windows 2000/XP/Vista or Linux with kernel x.xxx or newer only", OS X comes with fully functional drivers for them right out of the box. We might not have quite the rainbow of choices to choose from, but the choices still aren't too bad and I don't really need the choice anyway since I'm not the type that runs out and buys a new graphics card every two weeks and spends the majority of his excess income on upgrades. Once I have a decent machine, I work it into the ground for years until it starts feeling lacking or I outgrow it, then I consider upgrading stuff.
If you're a customization freak, well I suppose that's a legitimate reason to go with Lin/Win. I'm not one of those people because generally Apple is good at picking components and I don't have the patience to go through tons of motherboards, cards, etc to find my "ideal build". I still plan to build a Linux rig some day, but when I do it'll probably be made of components highly recommended by others. Trial and error with PC components is not my thing.
--- Quote from: Dragoon AceHigh on January 10, 2009, 11:01:42 AM ---No, it's more like I choose a car because it is practical and a popular means of transportation, while you buy a trike because of fancy design, rarity and it just happened to be of less practical use.
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I wouldn't say OS X is a trike. It's a modern OS in all ways, with support for most standards and features a healthy selection of applications to choose from and use. Don't needlessly degrade something simply because you dislike it. Practicality also depends on who you are. For me and several other people I know (including some in real life) Macs have been more practical. For those who like customization down to the last transistor, Macs probably aren't practical, but is anybody forcing you to buy one? No? Alright then, what's the problem?
--- Quote from: Dragoon AceHigh on January 10, 2009, 11:01:42 AM ---True, but you must not forget that they are a species that do not make their own choices, just buy a finished rig never knowing what's inside there, because they completely trust that Apple can make a choice for them.
And although I don't think linux is near the same usability as windows, I still need to praise it for the servers.
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For your information, I'm quite aware of what components are make up my current Mac as well as the ones that make up any that I may prospectively purchase in the future. Not having to choose one's own hardware doesn't necessarily make one ignorant in the ways of component terms or what's good or bad. As stated before, I simply don't enjoy the performing the "try this piece, don't like it, send it back" cycle until I run into the component that I actually do like.
It's not like Apple is one the same level as Dell when it comes to component quality anyway (unless you buy a Mac mini, I will agree those are cheap as shit). They contract out Intel and nVidia to do their motherboards and Asus to create the cases and assemble the machines, all three of which are well-known and respected names in technology. Don't forget that they also choose to use high-quality S-PVA panels in their iMacs and S-IPS panels in their standalone displays instead of going with the flow and producing trashy, cheap TN panel displays like every other company under the blue moon.
vuzedome:
Well... its true that most people favor Windows, the ideology and mentality of Windows being better has been drilled into most youngsters' mind when they're still young, unless they are given exposure to Linux or Mac, they'll forever say that Windows is better even if they've never tried using another operating system.
Driver support? None is perfect. Plug and play? If I can run DX10 games directly out of windows generic graphic drivers instead of installing the graphic card driver, then I'm impressed.
iindigo:
--- Quote from: vuzedome on January 10, 2009, 02:19:47 PM ---Well... its true that most people favor Windows, the ideology and mentality of Windows being better has been drilled into most youngsters' mind when they're still young, unless they are given exposure to Linux or Mac, they'll forever say that Windows is better even if they've never tried using another operating system.
Driver support? None is perfect. Plug and play? If I can run DX10 games directly out of windows generic graphic drivers instead of installing the graphic card driver, then I'm impressed.
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Most of those said youngsters only know how to use Windows on a surface level, too; they have no idea about what's going on behind the scenes or about the inner workings of the OS, which makes it much more difficult for them to migrate to other OSes later on.
Whenever I see a teenage Linux user it makes me happy because that means he's broken out of his Windows shell and is technically adept enough to use something else.
nstgc:
I was typing while iindigo was posting
I still say Windows has better driver support. By this I mean "more drivers are supported". Yes, with generic drivers Linux can run perfectly fine, but few drivers are made for Linux. Fortunately that doesn't matter much. The only software needed for interacting with your hardware, is the CPU and GPU software. As mentioned, nVidia and ATi both are behind Windows when it comes to Linux. However I do believe Linux CPU and mother board (chipset) support is better then Windows.
I wish people who put a bit of effort into making Linux a complete replacement for nearly all office work? Open office can replace some of what MS Office does, but its not enough. Companies could save a bunch of money if they didn't have to buy those MS licenses.
after that post
In Windows, there isn't much to look at past the surface. Its also made in a way that prevents the necessity.
iindigo:
--- Quote ---In Windows, there isn't much to look at past the surface. Its also made in a way that prevents the necessity.
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That's true to some point, but some of the Windows UI conventions really keep people dumb. Perhaps the #1 thing is installers and how they put shortcuts on the desktop and start menu. Despite the message that appears that says otherwise when deleting the shortcut, an astounding number of Windows users think that simply trashing the desktop and/or start menu shortcuts removes the application from the computer.
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