Author Topic: Windows 7 and general bitching about OSes (Read 102102 times)

lollero45 · « **on:** January 08, 2009, 02:32:19 PM »

It semms that windows 7 can be downloaded from internet already. I`m not adding any links because it would be to other torrent site, wich means it can be downloaded via torrents.
I haven`t downloaded it yeat, but my oldest brother says it works very well (even if it is the beta version), and it is faster than vista or xp, downloads automatically all drivers, games work well with it etc.

Lupin · « **Reply #1 on:** January 08, 2009, 02:41:22 PM »

i'm planning to get the public beta that's going to come out at the end of this week.

a friend of mine got it right away because he has a msdn account.

my first impression of it: looks like an optimized version of vista

iindigo · « **Reply #2 on:** January 08, 2009, 04:00:23 PM »

I've heard that it's what Vista really should have been, considering the massive amount of time spent developing Vista.

I've also heard rumors of the final release of Windows 7 following a subscription model where the user pays a different amount monthly based on what parts of the OS he uses. It's unknown how true the rumor is, though.

sdedalus83 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 08, 2009, 04:17:16 PM »

Quote from: iindigo on January 08, 2009, 04:00:23 PM

I've heard that it's what Vista really should have been, considering the massive amount of time spent developing Vista.

I've also heard rumors of the final release of Windows 7 following a subscription model where the user pays a different amount monthly based on what parts of the OS he uses. It's unknown how true the rumor is, though.

Still no new filesystem, so I don't see how it's what Vista should have been.
I'd be shocked if they did a subscription system for the typical consumer, but not at all surprised if they do it with the business version.

costi · « **Reply #4 on:** January 08, 2009, 04:20:03 PM »

I used the pre-beta for a while, and even in that state it was better than Vista, IMHO. Looked the same, but ran significantly faster and was more responsive.

I'm looking forward to the public beta. Word is it's released tomorrow, and will work until 1st August 2009.

relic2279 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 08, 2009, 04:41:32 PM »

Windows 7 is basically Vista SP3.

They rebranded it after some heavy modifications. It's still the same kernal.

NaRu · « **Reply #6 on:** January 08, 2009, 07:29:19 PM »

Windows 7 is the same as vista but well tuned

geoffreak · « **Reply #7 on:** January 08, 2009, 09:43:02 PM »

I have access to MSDN, but I don't have a computer to install it on. I might install it on a virtual machine just to try it out.
IMO, Windows Server 2008 is a better "tuned-Vista". The cost for it is absurd though (thank you MSDN

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iindigo · « **Reply #8 on:** January 08, 2009, 09:49:18 PM »

Well it wouldn't be the first time that the "professional"/corporate version of Windows turns out better than the "consumer" version. Windows 2000, which was intended for companies, kicked the everliving shit out of Windows 98SE and Windows ME. It also was better than XP for quite a while...

fohfoh · « **Reply #9 on:** January 08, 2009, 10:27:04 PM »

They're supposed to get a new interface after the beta. (Supposed to)

Windows 7 Alphas have been out since like, last year. Interface looks same, but meh. How much has the interface changed over the years? Drivers I heard were good. But aren't they just vista drivers?

sdedalus83 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 08, 2009, 11:14:48 PM »

As long as they fix the horrific bluetooth issues, give users XP Pro like control over all of the security features, fix the ridiculously inefficient way in which VM and temporary files are handled, allow the user to bypass driver authentication permanently, and eliminate the nightmare bugs, like disk cleaner bombing the whole system, then I'll be okay with moving on from XP.

iindigo · « **Reply #11 on:** January 08, 2009, 11:19:26 PM »

In my opinion, they also need to provide a slick, modern theme that:

1. Isn't so damn transparent. Stack of windows in full-aero Vista = mess.
2. Doesn't have window borders that challenge the state of Alaska in size.
3. Isn't so shiny that each Windows 7-equipped computer screen can be seen from space.
4. Doesn't challenge Fisher-Price toys in use of painfully bright primary colors (ugh, Luna).

vuzedome · « **Reply #12 on:** January 09, 2009, 11:14:49 AM »

Its out?! Wait, it is! And all this while I have never used my MSDN account, looks like its time to put it into good use.

Lupin · « **Reply #13 on:** January 09, 2009, 11:38:13 AM »

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10135943-56.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20

Raythepirate · « **Reply #14 on:** January 09, 2009, 07:53:04 PM »

Stuff it. I am still on XP.

And only for games, stuff Vista onwards.

Wouldn't even download it for free or take a copy if Bill gave it on his hands and knees.

mgz · « **Reply #15 on:** January 09, 2009, 08:05:11 PM »

why bother to make a forum account to post that garbage please troll elsewhere

AceHigh · « **Reply #16 on:** January 09, 2009, 08:26:40 PM »

Quote from: iindigo on January 08, 2009, 11:19:26 PM

In my opinion, they also need to provide a slick, modern theme that:

1. Isn't so damn transparent. Stack of windows in full-aero Vista = mess.
2. Doesn't have window borders that challenge the state of Alaska in size.
3. Isn't so shiny that each Windows 7-equipped computer screen can be seen from space.
4. Doesn't challenge Fisher-Price toys in use of painfully bright primary colors (ugh, Luna).

No wonder you use mac, who the fuck else would care about something as trivial as themes and colours! Don't like it? Well, get custom ones here:

http://www.themeworld.com/

Make one yourself if you want, or use Xan's cool litestep shell based theme.... and then modify it if you want!
In case you haven't noticed in desktop pic thread, many people use custom themes.

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Still no new filesystem, so I don't see how it's what Vista should have been.

The failed epically when it comes to WinFX, I really looked forward to it. :'(

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Wouldn't even download it for free or take a copy if Bill gave it on his hands and knees.

I would.
Then sold it on ebay and downloaded a hacked version instead. Or if they make new version of the server, I will dl it instead. Less bloated bullshit.

fohfoh · « **Reply #17 on:** January 09, 2009, 08:30:40 PM »

Thank you Dragoon for being so eloquent.

iindigo · « **Reply #18 on:** January 09, 2009, 09:00:08 PM »

Quote from: Dragoon AceHigh on January 09, 2009, 08:26:40 PM

No wonder you use mac, who the fuck else would care about something as trivial as themes and colours! Don't like it? Well, get custom ones here:

http://www.themeworld.com/

Make one yourself if you want, or use Xan's cool litestep shell based theme.... and then modify it if you want!
In case you haven't noticed in desktop pic thread, many people use custom themes.

You may not care, but many do. When you stare at a computer screen for hours and hours each day, it's nice for the interface to not make your eyes bleed.

I am quite aware of themes, but I find it inexcusable that one of the biggest companies in the world can't manage to scrounge up a decent-looking (mind you, not amazing or anything), practical, and highly usable UI theme. I should be able to comfortably use an OS for serious work within 15-20 minutes of installing; spending hours hunting down a nice theme and tweaking the OS into oblivion through third-party software, tweakui, and registry hacks is a nuisance. Aero fails here because it's quite obvious that Microsoft really didn't give a damn about usability; they were merely concerned with making it shiny in attempt to make Vista look like a bigger upgrade from XP than it really was.

P.S. the Windows skinning system is still really weak, even in Vista. Whenever a program locks up, all the flashy Aero makeup washes right off to reveal a badly-distorted Win2K window frame... Hopefully Windows 7 includes skinning at a core level instead of just being a cheap overlay.

sdedalus83 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 09, 2009, 09:13:23 PM »

Quote from: Dragoon AceHigh on January 09, 2009, 08:26:40 PM

The failed epically when it comes to WinFX, I really looked forward to it. :'(

Yeah, NTFS is pathetic. When you've got a filesystem that doesn't correct file fragmentation very well, combined with dynamically allocated virtual memory, it doesn't take too long for the whole system to bog down. We shouldn't have to defrag and reboot once a month just to keep the system running and files intact.