Author Topic: Windows 7 and general bitching about OSes (Read 102113 times)

Takeshi · « **Reply #960 on:** October 11, 2009, 11:14:16 AM »

Quote from: Klocknov on October 11, 2009, 10:02:02 AM

I would have to disagree with you Takeshi, I run FF for days on end and never have it crash. So unless you found some special worm hole in it I don't know about that.

I'm not saying there's anything general wrong with Firefox, it just doesn't work well on my old laptop anymore when I have XP installed.

vuzedome · « **Reply #961 on:** October 11, 2009, 02:56:41 PM »

Quote from: Takeshi on October 11, 2009, 11:14:16 AM

Quote from: Klocknov on October 11, 2009, 10:02:02 AM
I would have to disagree with you Takeshi, I run FF for days on end and never have it crash. So unless you found some special worm hole in it I don't know about that.
I'm not saying there's anything general wrong with Firefox, it just doesn't work well on my old laptop anymore when I have XP installed.

Go Chrome!!

Takeshi · « **Reply #962 on:** October 11, 2009, 08:43:26 PM »

Quote from: vuzedome on October 11, 2009, 02:56:41 PM

Quote from: Takeshi on October 11, 2009, 11:14:16 AM
Quote from: Klocknov on October 11, 2009, 10:02:02 AM
I would have to disagree with you Takeshi, I run FF for days on end and never have it crash. So unless you found some special worm hole in it I don't know about that.
I'm not saying there's anything general wrong with Firefox, it just doesn't work well on my old laptop anymore when I have XP installed.

Go Chrome!!

I'm too much of a FF fanboy to just switch browser.

though the times I've tried using it I did like the compilation of websites you've visited in the past on your home page.

bloody000 · « **Reply #963 on:** October 12, 2009, 12:13:30 AM »

I had some issues with AHCI.

events ordered by date and time:

Installed x86_64 RTM with AHCI. First boot failed. Always hang at AHCI BIOS.

Googled about it.

The hard drive with Win7 seemed to hang the Intel AHCI BIOS for some reason. Remove that drive and everything is fine.

Did a complete wipe(write zero) on the offending drive.

Switched ICH10R to IDE mode. Installed Win7. Booted fine.

Connect the drive to on-board Gigabyte SATA controller in IDE mode, switched ICH10R to AHCI mode.

Boot and install Intel drivers.

Put the drive back on ICH10R. Everything is fine now.

Lesson: Don't install Win7 with AHCI enabled.

Klocknov · « **Reply #964 on:** October 12, 2009, 01:37:53 AM »

Quote from: psyren on October 11, 2009, 10:58:45 AM

Quote from: Klocknov on October 01, 2009, 07:53:49 AM
If I get Win 7 I will be going 64bit, it in my opinion isn't worth it for me to get an x86 version since this computer isn't going to be able to run it anyway.
Both 32 and 64-bit versions will be in the standard retail packages, I hear.

Though I will more then likely be getting OEM, I figured they would do the same thing as last time with them and separate them. Also it does look as if so.

Tatsujin · « **Reply #965 on:** October 12, 2009, 01:29:40 PM »

Quote from: Klocknov on October 12, 2009, 01:37:53 AM

Quote from: psyren on October 11, 2009, 10:58:45 AM
Quote from: Klocknov on October 01, 2009, 07:53:49 AM
If I get Win 7 I will be going 64bit, it in my opinion isn't worth it for me to get an x86 version since this computer isn't going to be able to run it anyway.
Both 32 and 64-bit versions will be in the standard retail packages, I hear.
Though I will more then likely be getting OEM, I figured they would do the same thing as last time with them and separate them. Also it does look as if so.

What's AHCI?

Natheria · « **Reply #966 on:** October 12, 2009, 01:44:22 PM »

Advanced Host Controller Interface Is an Intel SATA controller that helps make multitasking better (don't feel bad i had to look this one up too).

Quote

1. Supports NCQ (Native Command Queuing) allowing SATA drives to accept more than one command at a time and dynamically reorder the commands for maximum efficiency.
2. Supports hot plugging of devices
3. Supports staggered spin ups of multiple hard drives at boot time

Stsin · « **Reply #967 on:** October 17, 2009, 07:14:26 AM »

Gosh, I don't get mine till the 22nd. And I pre-ordered it too and have already received confirmation emails.

As for AHCI, read the reverse, in that it's better to install with it on, than trying to turn on/install/configure it later. Why I've been postponing it till I install the retail version. Hmm.

cubensis55 · « **Reply #968 on:** October 17, 2009, 07:23:34 AM »

Just upgraded my studio comp and installed Win7 Ultimate 64 (Full Retail).
Loving it! Virtually no bugs or problems so far.

Time will tell...

bloody000 · « **Reply #969 on:** October 18, 2009, 09:37:29 AM »

Quote from: Stsin on October 17, 2009, 07:14:26 AM

Gosh, I don't get mine till the 22nd. And I pre-ordered it too and have already received confirmation emails.

As for AHCI, read the reverse, in that it's better to install with it on, than trying to turn on/install/configure it later. Why I've been postponing it till I install the retail version. Hmm.

I already said, the first time I installed x64, AHCI was enabled. Even in the first reboot, the Intel AHCI BIOS will freeze at drive detection unless I unplug that hard drive(it will freeze just before showing the detection result of the SATA port it's plugged into).

I should also mention this did not happen with Vista x86 and x86_64 installations.

Spanks · « **Reply #970 on:** October 23, 2009, 04:40:34 AM »

Saw Windows 7 the store yesterday while I was out, its $450 for the professional version(here). Fuck that.

Never realized OS's were so expensive.

fohfoh · « **Reply #971 on:** October 23, 2009, 08:43:17 PM »

and no one realizes that XP became a power hog after certain updates? the damn thing uses much more memory than last year. I bet msft did so to get the performance closer to both vista and 7.

Klocknov · « **Reply #972 on:** October 23, 2009, 09:05:54 PM »

I have been noticing that increased memory usage and also it tends to run higher on the CPU then it use too. XP is being killed by MS so people will upgrade I guess...

mgz · « **Reply #973 on:** October 24, 2009, 01:19:58 AM »

Quote from: Spanks on October 23, 2009, 04:40:34 AM

Saw Windows 7 the store yesterday while I was out, its $450 for the professional version(here). Fuck that.

Never realized OS's were so expensive.

look up and oem copy, MUCH cheaper, retail for pro in the us islike 350 or 400
its 140 or so for an oem copy

relic2279 · « **Reply #974 on:** October 24, 2009, 01:26:30 AM »

Quote from: vuzedome on October 11, 2009, 02:56:41 PM

Go Chrome!!

If Chrome ever gets adblock plus, I'd switch... Adblock is sent from the gods. It even skips those nasty youtube commercials and removes the ads.

Well, maybe still wouldn't switch if Chrome got something akin to adblock. firefox's plugin selection is amazing and I also use greasemonkey.

Drew · « **Reply #975 on:** October 24, 2009, 04:36:36 AM »

Quote from: relic2279 on October 24, 2009, 01:26:30 AM

If Chrome ever gets adblock plus, I'd switch... Adblock is sent from the gods. It even skips those nasty youtube commercials and removes the ads.

Yeah. If Adblock was a woman I would bang the shit out of her.

No joke.

Flusel · « **Reply #976 on:** October 24, 2009, 11:28:39 PM »

You can start right now with your System... xD

TorturdChaos · « **Reply #977 on:** October 27, 2009, 03:50:54 PM »

Is is just me or have we not seen this with a really crappy OS (Vista) then a decent one that looks just like it(Win7) before with ME & XP. You could crash ME by looking at your computer funny from across the room. Vista isn't much better. But then they came along with XP, looked like ME, but was a hell of a lot more stable. Now comes Win7. Looks just like Vista, has some of the annoying things reworked, takes up less resources and is actually a decent OS.

I really hope this isn't a trend M$ is starting with releasing a crap OS, then finishing and releasing the real deal.

Slykester · « **Reply #978 on:** October 27, 2009, 04:03:02 PM »

Well, consider that Vista was being developed actively up until SP1, versus Windows 7 where development ended with the RC. During that time the competitors were able to gain additional market share, most notably OSX. I'd say M$ has learnt a valuable lesson, that much is evident in Windows 7.

The reason it seems so familiar is because M$ has a history of fixing up old code and re-releasing as something new.

95 - 98 (win)
98 - ME (fail)

The w9x codebase is a separate development branch from NT as far as I recall, so..

Win2k - XP (win)
Vista - Windows7 (win)

Now Windows 2000 wasn't bad, but XP definitely fixed a lot that was broken. I just cannot see M$ making the same mistake twice here (as they did with Vista), with OS being their bread&butter. It's clear what they attempted to do with Vista, they lacked the resources to produce the final product and tried to get the customer to pay for it. If they do it again.. Well it's not like you have to pay for it.

Quote from: TorturdChaos on October 27, 2009, 03:50:54 PM

I really hope this isn't a trend M$ is starting with releasing a crap OS, then finishing and releasing the real deal.

Nope, not a trend starting

(and yes, I left out server influence here)

Natheria · « **Reply #979 on:** October 27, 2009, 09:10:27 PM »

Windows 7 is not even considered to be their seventh OS (it's actually internally referred to as Windows 6.1). You notice that pretty much every other OS is better because they basically have been working on the same kernel for two OS cycles.

Vista after SP1 really wasn't all that bad (I would never compare Vista to ME, ME was never a real OS in my mind and i'm sick to death of people who make such a comparison. Anyone who does never had to put up with ME. I still have to put up with ME. ME can go to hell and die a thousand flaming deaths.) Vista just couldn't recover from the extremely negative press at release and the fact that third party companies were essentially caught with their pants down on drivers and compatibility issues or just outright refused to work with Vista (I.E. Intel). Now that they've had three years to perfect their original product and tech has gotten better to support the OS that took up so many resources, and the re branding to 7 everyone is happy.

Microsoft as a whole has always used their initial releases as beta versions. Now with so many people willing to do that with Win7 (like 8 million testers) they can actually do that.