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Offline VaporTrail

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Re: Pirates on Trial
« Reply #180 on: April 17, 2009, 10:56:06 AM »
Wonder what's missing in those dots. There's got to be something fairly substantial, as the end of the sentance makes no sense.

When I first saw this my first thought was Somali pirates. You know, the armed kind. Comes from actually working in a field that deals with em.
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Re: Pirates on Trial
« Reply #181 on: April 17, 2009, 11:33:31 AM »
It seems that they were naive to think they would win.

Here is their miscalculation:
The law is not the same for everyone. MPAA and RIAA can operate outside the laws and still be considered lawful, while TPB operate within the law and are considered illegal.

Reason, because one of them is a corporation and has lobby power. Law protecting us all.... what a childish thought  ::)
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Re: Pirates on Trial
« Reply #182 on: April 17, 2009, 03:44:08 PM »
well obviously they assist in copyright infringement but does that mean every ISP, in the world is guilty of doing so as well ? Google, yahoo, msn.

Every HDD manufacturer, well its gotta get stored on something so it can be copied illegally.

Curious to see how long this will take to go through appeal process and actual see a final verdict

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Re: Pirates on Trial
« Reply #183 on: April 17, 2009, 08:11:51 PM »
If you go to the Pirate Bay site it says "Epic Win". I guess because most of the charges were dropped, and they were only found guilty of "assisting in copywritng infringement" But I think it is far from over, as the appeal process will start soon.
I like the part where they asked the judge if he folded because of "serious pressure", I would say that was a given.

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« Reply #184 on: April 17, 2009, 08:32:18 PM »
if the piratebay gets shut down, there will be blood to spill, and the RIAA and all the other money grubbing copyright bastards will be the ones spilling it, victim of millions of pitchforks. Now we have the oh so long wait to see the ultimate verdict............ ..

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Re: Pirates on Trial
« Reply #185 on: April 17, 2009, 09:37:19 PM »
This is just the beginning of greater things to come!! Go TPB go!!!
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Re: Pirates on Trial
« Reply #186 on: April 18, 2009, 02:37:45 AM »
If TPB goes down, something else will rise up to take it's place. My dad has told me stories of his piracy days back in the Eighties, of glorious networks of VCRs and copied movies on VHS. My older cousins still have old pirated computer games from the early Nineties on floppy. I remember my time in middle school, downloading music off of Napster. People will always find ways to copy stuff that they want.
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Re: Pirates on Trial
« Reply #187 on: April 18, 2009, 05:31:06 AM »
If TPB goes down, something else will rise up to take it's place. My dad has told me stories of his piracy days back in the Eighties, of glorious networks of VCRs and copied movies on VHS. My older cousins still have old pirated computer games from the early Nineties on floppy. I remember my time in middle school, downloading music off of Napster. People will always find ways to copy stuff that they want.


They can't really stop piracy but they can reduce the number of people pirating and force it underground.

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Re: Pirates on Trial
« Reply #188 on: April 18, 2009, 07:09:10 AM »
well obviously they assist in copyright infringement but does that mean every ISP, in the world is guilty of doing so as well ? Google, yahoo, msn.

Every HDD manufacturer, well its gotta get stored on something so it can be copied illegally.

Curious to see how long this will take to go through appeal process and actual see a final verdict

Reading up about it on Ars, it seems that since Google (and various other internet search algorithm and results providers) take down offending links as soon as there are 'people' contacting them about it (child porn, copyrighted material, links to other illegal stuffthingies etc.),  they are considered 'compliant' (not a quote), which seems to be the way to go if you want to avoid conflict. That's why the Google/TPB comparison does not work.

HDD manufacturers cannot be held liable for the use people make of their hardware because they have no way of controlling who has access to the contents on the disks they sell, much like car manufacturers cannot avoid people using their cars as means of a getaway vehicle whe robbing a bank. The TPB admins were in a position to moderate the content linked to on their site and deliberately ostensibly explicitly did not do so.

That said, I'm not against P2P sharing and any of its exponents (it would be fairly hypocritical of me). I'm aware that I'm in a grey zone of the law if I use it, though. I'm also hoping TPB will win an appeal, though I'm not too optimistic.

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Re: Pirates on Trial
« Reply #189 on: April 18, 2009, 10:10:48 AM »
The TPB admins were in a position to moderate the content linked to on their site and deliberately ostensibly explicitly did not do so.

Not really. Not unless they hire 500 moderators to do the job. Even then it will take months, so their excuse is that they don't have resources for that. Besides torrent files are not copyright material.
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Re: Pirates on Trial
« Reply #190 on: April 18, 2009, 10:41:07 AM »
well obviously they assist in copyright infringement but does that mean every ISP, in the world is guilty of doing so as well ? Google, yahoo, msn.
My ISP is being sued by AFACT for exactly that reason.

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Re: Pirates on Trial
« Reply #191 on: April 23, 2009, 06:56:37 AM »
As time has shown, hope exists only in name. It´s actual meaning is despair.

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Re: Pirates on Trial
« Reply #193 on: April 23, 2009, 01:31:14 PM »
well obviously they assist in copyright infringement but does that mean every ISP, in the world is guilty of doing so as well ? Google, yahoo, msn.
My ISP is being sued by AFACT for exactly that reason.
watch how quickly the shit hits the fan when they start going after multi billion dollar corporations for the same thing and how quickly their shenanigans get put to a halt.
If they have the balls to chase after the likes of comcast, cox, verizon, google, microsoft etc etc

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Re: Pirates on Trial
« Reply #194 on: April 23, 2009, 02:50:24 PM »
well obviously they assist in copyright infringement but does that mean every ISP, in the world is guilty of doing so as well ? Google, yahoo, msn.
My ISP is being sued by AFACT for exactly that reason.
watch how quickly the shit hits the fan when they start going after multi billion dollar corporations for the same thing and how quickly their shenanigans get put to a halt.
If they have the balls to chase after the likes of comcast, cox, verizon, google, microsoft etc etc

They don't. That's why they're attacking the little people and now torrent hosts. (I bet they think that these hosts have no money to battle this legal issue because they are "free")
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« Reply #195 on: April 23, 2009, 03:03:36 PM »
As time has shown, hope exists only in name. It´s actual meaning is despair.

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Re: Pirates on Trial
« Reply #196 on: April 23, 2009, 03:50:35 PM »
I wonder what would happen if every package sendt by P2P traffic had a codekey encryption.
Like for instance if i wanted to share something with a person on the net, i could encode the package and to unpack it the reciver needed the key.
Would be a horrible pain in the ass to unpack without the key. With no evidence there would be no foul right?
If it would work..i dont know.

Anyways, think its time to start a small revolution in europe. The whole copyright thing is obsolete and have to go.
If i knew where to start..id try to do something. Guess its a matter of numbers and public outcry.

For the us..i fear capitalism will chain the population for a good while.

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« Reply #197 on: April 23, 2009, 03:57:34 PM »
Viva le Revolution!  ;D

But seriously if TPB are judged by the corrupt judges then there is only one person who can help now. The only guy in Sweden who stands above the law: the King. I mean, it's worth a try, King pardons people each year and I think that if TPB fail at the supreme court, then they could be pardoned by the King if the popular demand is high enough.
For one thing, Tiff is not on any level what I would call a typical American.  She's not what I would consider a typical person.  I don't know any other genius geneticist anime-fan martial artist marksman model-level beauties, do you?

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Re: Pirates on Trial
« Reply #198 on: April 23, 2009, 04:16:52 PM »
I wonder what would happen if every package sendt by P2P traffic had a codekey encryption.
Like for instance if i wanted to share something with a person on the net, i could encode the package and to unpack it the reciver needed the key.
Would be a horrible pain in the ass to unpack without the key. With no evidence there would be no foul right?
If it would work..i dont know.

Anyways, think its time to start a small revolution in europe. The whole copyright thing is obsolete and have to go.
If i knew where to start..id try to do something. Guess its a matter of numbers and public outcry.

For the us..i fear capitalism will chain the population for a good while.

in the US they still havent won much, the got torrentspy or w/e cuz they destroyed evidence defying court orders.

the RIAA and MPAA has won nothing except the one case that was appealed and is being redone on the woman in minnesota or w/e who used napster or something.
They have more or less given up on chasing individuals, and in the US most of the people they would want to go after outside of the site operators like TPB are much larger corporations

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Re: Pirates on Trial
« Reply #199 on: April 23, 2009, 04:53:02 PM »
It doesn't matter how many individual downloaders you sue, people are still going to be around to download. Since they overlooked this fact at first they are now trying step 2: take down the sites hosting and offering the torrents.

I just can't comprehend a solution to this problem. We are in a generation where it is dang near impossible to have an original idea without it already being copyrighted somewhere by someone. There are even people out there that think every time you draw an anime picture and post it online you should have to add sources to the original artists of the style of anime. I guess, on one hand I think it's only fair to the original creators of something to get credit, but on the other hand you can't do anything anymore without citing sources or giving credit or asking for copyright permissions. I don't really know where I was going with this. I just want to see people working on solutions to the problems rather than just taking sides.