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Pirates on Trial
SeventyX7:
Pirate Bay is going to win on appeal, there's no doubt. You can't sue somebody for running a search engine of links to downloads of stuff that may or not be copyrighted. If you could, Youtube and Google would get shut down pretty fast.
As for the industry's response to all this, they just need to develop a model to make this profitable. What that model could be is beyond my expertise, but I'm sure it can and will be done.
Suing individuals just doesn't work, and why they do it is foolish. Historically, it's been shown that the frequency of a crime is only affected by the certainty of getting caught and punished for it (which is next to zero for the pirating we're talking about here) and not affected AT ALL by the harshness of a punishment (which is pretty steep in this case). Back in the old days when everything was punished with death, banishment, mutilation, and the like, crime was still much more frequent than it is today, because the offenders almost never got caught.
Lupin:
--- Quote from: SeventyX7 on May 03, 2009, 03:58:21 PM ---If you could, Youtube and Google would get shut down pretty fast.
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There's something wrong with your analogy. There's quite a big difference between Youtube and Piratebay: Youtube complies to takedown requests while Piratebay openly mocks these requests. They cannot be compared.
I do see your point in the statement, however. ;)
Aneroph:
--- Quote from: SeventyX7 on May 03, 2009, 03:58:21 PM ---Pirate Bay is going to win on appeal, there's no doubt. You can't sue somebody for running a search engine of links to downloads of stuff that may or not be copyrighted. If you could, Youtube and Google would get shut down pretty fast.
As for the industry's response to all this, they just need to develop a model to make this profitable. What that model could be is beyond my expertise, but I'm sure it can and will be done.
Suing individuals just doesn't work, and why they do it is foolish. Historically, it's been shown that the frequency of a crime is only affected by the certainty of getting caught and punished for it (which is next to zero for the pirating we're talking about here) and not affected AT ALL by the harshness of a punishment (which is pretty steep in this case). Back in the old days when everything was punished with death, banishment, mutilation, and the like, crime was still much more frequent than it is today, because the offenders almost never got caught.
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The harder and more painful the punishments are, the harder people will try, and succeed, in not getting caught.
mgz:
--- Quote from: SeventyX7 on May 03, 2009, 03:58:21 PM ---Pirate Bay is going to win on appeal, there's no doubt. You can't sue somebody for running a search engine of links to downloads of stuff that may or not be copyrighted. If you could, Youtube and Google would get shut down pretty fast.
As for the industry's response to all this, they just need to develop a model to make this profitable. What that model could be is beyond my expertise, but I'm sure it can and will be done.
Suing individuals just doesn't work, and why they do it is foolish. Historically, it's been shown that the frequency of a crime is only affected by the certainty of getting caught and punished for it (which is next to zero for the pirating we're talking about here) and not affected AT ALL by the harshness of a punishment (which is pretty steep in this case). Back in the old days when everything was punished with death, banishment, mutilation, and the like, crime was still much more frequent than it is today, because the offenders almost never got caught.
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by going after pirate bay they arent suing individuals, they are going after what they view as a source.
However the source is individuals not the sites like pirate bay, so no matter how many torrent sites they shut down. Other ones will just get bigger with the same exact people that are using pirate bay. Its wonderful how that works .
And as for the industry trying to fix the issue, its real simple. They either put out quality products(yay more american idol singer releases), and change their business model because the 10-20$ a cd model isnt working and wont work anymore. Its to easy for people to steal it illegally and never be caught, vs spending tens of thousands to build the same song library 85% of which you listen to less then once a month.
And for the movie industry start allowing simultaneous movie/dvd/pay per view release so that when transformers 2 comes out its dvd comes out same time or within a week, and is on payper view style thing in about the same time.
Home theater systems are cheap and nice enough now that MANY people have some sort of setup and it works out being nicer then going and spending 12 bucks a person or w/e at the theater
vuzedome:
yes! cheaper audio cds is definitely what I want, but till then, I'm only paying for classics and oldies, as for new stuff, I rip my friends' audio cds :P.
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