Apple releases new... everything

[iindigo]

Xeons have hyperthreading? Because you know... the main point of i7 is hyperthreading.

Yes, Xeons have hyperthreading. They're basically Core i7s for servers and workstations.

[mgz]

Example, my cowon S9 touch screen mp3 player. 32 gig flash memory, capacitative touch screen, and an AMOLED screen that rapes your eyes with pure beauty. And the adjustability and sound quality it puts out is 2nd to none.
Oh and did i forget to mention its 100 dollars less then the ipod touch 32gig

No third-party application support (hence no API to develop). No Wi-Fi. Et cetera.

I have no doubt that the S9 is a very capable player, but you're comparing apples to oranges. The iPod touch is basically a PDA that happens to play media; the Cowon is a media player that happens to have some PDA features.

cowon S9 has flash support so it has access to TONS of applications. And i buy an mp3 player to listen to music and some video, not to go on the internet. I have a computer, i dont need a 3 inch screen for the internet.

And until they make productivity packs for ipod touch or iphones and give them a keyboard they arent PDA with media support, and a PDA probably has wider codec support then apple products

[flaresignal]

cowon S9 has flash support so it has access to TONS of applications.

You're not seriously suggesting that Flash is equivalent to Objective-C and Cocoa, are you? (Or, for that matter, C++ and Win32, or the various Unix desktop APIs....) Apple already went through a huge backlash when the iPhone was originally released for only allowing Web widgets prior to the release of the official SDK.

And i buy an mp3 player to listen to music and some video, not to go on the internet. I have a computer, i dont need a 3 inch screen for the internet.

Then you personally don't need to consider an iPod touch. That doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of people who would gladly fork over the requisite amount to browse the Internet on a 3-inch screen. "I don't need it" ≠ "nobody needs it".

[mgz]

cowon S9 has flash support so it has access to TONS of applications.

You're not seriously suggesting that Flash is equivalent to Objective-C and Cocoa, are you? (Or, for that matter, C++ and Win32, or the various Unix desktop APIs....) Apple already went through a huge backlash when the iPhone was originally released for only allowing Web widgets prior to the release of the official SDK.

And i buy an mp3 player to listen to music and some video, not to go on the internet. I have a computer, i dont need a 3 inch screen for the internet.

Then you personally don't need to consider an iPod touch. That doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of people who would gladly fork over the requisite amount to browse the Internet on a 3-inch screen. "I don't need it" ≠ "nobody needs it".

no i didnt say flash support was = to supporting half the bullshit software ipod touch can support and iphone can.

But then again 90% of the Apps people get are stupid bullshit games and sound effect based bullshit

[flaresignal]

no i didnt say flash support was = to supporting half the bullshit software ipod touch can support and iphone can.

But then again 90% of the Apps people get are stupid bullshit games and sound effect based bullshit

Sturgeon's Law. Ninety percent of software on any system is going to be crap. You can't just compare the lowest common denominator.

[mgz]

sure you can, because 90% of the people who use 90% of the apps = stupid little games, people who want things like an iphone for the functionality of a PDA get a blackberry plain and simple.
Because apps arent that big of a deal in reality

[flaresignal]

sure you can, because 90% of the people who use 90% of the apps = stupid little games, people who want things like an iphone for the functionality of a PDA get a blackberry plain and simple.
Because apps arent that big of a deal in reality

... which is why Palm, the Open Handset Alliance, Microsoft, and RIM are all launching their own "App Stores".

[iindigo]

A large portion of iPhone/iPod Touch apps may be games, but that doesn't mean that there aren't useful apps. Take a look at the iTunes store some time... there's a reason there's 19 application categories that aren't games.

[mgz]

sure you can, because 90% of the people who use 90% of the apps = stupid little games, people who want things like an iphone for the functionality of a PDA get a blackberry plain and simple.
Because apps arent that big of a deal in reality

... which is why Palm, the Open Handset Alliance, Microsoft, and RIM are all launching their own "App Stores".

Well you would be stupid to not wanna take 30% of the sale of a 1-5$ app that is the same rehashed games and the occasional useful app.

Lets be honest look at the business model for an App store type thing its fucking retarded to not have one if you have  a large user base.

And just because 19 categories exist doesnt mean even 17 of them have a useful program.
Wasnt there that 5000$ program called something like Im Rich or something stupid and it was just a picture of a diamond.

[raylu]

What makes the Mac so easy to do is the option of dropping an entire extra processor into the thing, and their insane RAM costs. Adding a second processor isn't really an option with most PCs I imagine.

Another processor ≠ another core.

no i didnt say flash support was = to supporting half the bullshit software ipod touch can support and iphone can.

But then again 90% of the Apps people get are stupid bullshit games and sound effect based bullshit

Sturgeon's Law. Ninety percent of software on any system is going to be crap. You can't just compare the lowest common denominator.

Defeat Sturgeon's Law by choosing the software you want on your system.

Now, for fun (profanity involved, but SFW otherwise): http://gizmodo.com/5245003/the-most-useful-iphone-app-that-might-never-exist

[zherok]

What makes the Mac so easy to do is the option of dropping an entire extra processor into the thing, and their insane RAM costs. Adding a second processor isn't really an option with most PCs I imagine.

Another processor ≠ another core.

The cost of the higher end Mac Pro is nearly $1000 more than the base model, and most of it comes from the addition of a second processor (the rest is RAM.) Upgrading both processors at the same time adds a substantial amount to the cost (going from 2.26ghz to 2.93ghz adds $2600 to the cost.)

[bloody000]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117185
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226066
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=dual+xeon+1366&x=0&y=0
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150352

2xE5520= $800
MB: $400-500
Ram: 2x3x2GB= $200
GFX: $200

[zherok]

You'd only need to factor the difference, 3 more 1gb sticks, a single extra processor, and a new motherboard (minus the cost of the existing one). They both use the same video card. It comes pretty close, although their RAM is still expensive.

I assume the upgraded model processor is this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117180

So you do save some money upgrading to those, although it still leaves you with a $5000 machine with no monitor. =)

[bloody000]

Apple is asking $3299.00 for the basic dual Xeon mac pro.
A machine that have twice the ram and a much, much better video card is roughly $2000 unless you want a fancy Lian-li aluminum case.

[zherok]

Ah, I see where you're coming from now. As for a fancy aluminum case, I suspect that's part of the reason they cost so much. It helps explain how they manage to put so little into a Mac Mini and charge $600 for it anyway.

[bloody000]

the Apple logo and Apple design are priceless, some people even get orgasms when they saw a mac, so the price is justified(as a mental vibrator).

[zherok]

I had a classmate recently say she was going to have her dad buy her a new computer. She was thinking Apple, and she mentioned she was getting the Air. Now I've never used a Mac Laptop, but I do know that for a $1700 machine, the Air's best quality is that it's really thin. But it was shiny, and she wasn't paying for it, so...

[quekmeister]

I had a classmate recently say she was going to have her dad buy her a new computer. She was thinking Apple, and she mentioned she was getting the Air. Now I've never used a Mac Laptop, but I do know that for a $1700 machine, the Air's best quality is that it's really thin. But it was shiny, and she wasn't paying for it, so...

The Air is a flimsy piece of junk. I'd rather lug around a five year old Toshiba than that thing (the Toshiba would probably have better specs too). My dad got a top of the range Air 6 months ago, 80GB HDD, ONE USB port, no disc drive of any sort, all other peripherals have to be bought separately. It's a complete waste of money.

[zherok]

The Air competes with the $999 Macbook model for specs, so I'm not really sure who it's designed for. People who really care about their laptop being thin I guess. An $800 premium on a laptop with a lower end processor, fewer USB ports, and no optical drive. They even have the same screen size.

[sdedalus83]

The mac pro uses a modular mb. If you get a single cpu version, there is no 'drop a second cpu in' since there isn't a second socket.  You have to buy it with two cpus to get the add on board with the second socket and 4 more dimms.
They did it because good dual socket workstation boards cost a shitload and cutting out the triple channel memory option and second socket wod cut their costs dramatically without necessitating a price drop since they still can claim the use of Xeon cpus.
A real dual socket Xeon i7 workstation would absolutely rape the shit mac pro.