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iindigo:
Still, it's not a very smart choice. It's like choosing to live off of 99¢ McDonalds burgers for the next 10 years because they're cheaper than healthy food. You might save money and effort now, but it's gonna catch up to you at one point or another.
sdedalus83:
These are small companies desperately trying to keep up. Most of them can't afford experienced programmers, let alone software architects and business model analysts. When the current system can no longer handle the workload, they do everything possible to keep the old system useful while adding the needed functionality. Attempting to see ten years into the future and hiring a development team to move everything to portable, self developed software would be suicidal. That's why there are thousands of companies out there which are contracted to design specialized software. Do you really think those companies have any interest in portability, accurate documentation, and clean code? Hell no! They do what they have to do to keep their customers coming back, rather than trying to go it alone or moving to the competition.
furuoshiki:
--- Quote from: iindigo on May 27, 2009, 05:49:14 PM ---Still, it's not a very smart choice. It's like choosing to live off of 99¢ McDonalds burgers for the next 10 years because they're cheaper than healthy food. You might save money and effort now, but it's gonna catch up to you at one point or another.
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Exactly.
--- Quote from: sdedalus83 on May 27, 2009, 07:40:44 PM ---These are small companies desperately trying to keep up. Most of them can't afford experienced programmers, let alone software architects and business model analysts.
PLAY HARD OR GO HOME. If you can't play the entire game there is no point in playing to begin with because your weaknesses will just become a problem later on. When taking out business loans this cost is supposed to be factored in. If the bank won't give you a loan that is large enough to buffer the impact of having to upgrade software that is necessary, maybe it's time to re-think your business plan.
When the current system can no longer handle the workload, they do everything possible to keep the old system useful while adding the needed functionality. Attempting to see ten years into the future and hiring a development team to move everything to portable, self developed software would be suicidal.
Yet for an emerging company that seeks to be competitive...IT ACTUALLY IS VITAL. Many economic theorists say this is the weakest point in capitalism, planning for the long-term. YET FIRMS DO IT ALL THE TIME. It can be done but SACRIFICES must be made. If you can't make those sacrifices then why start a business to begin with when it will clearly fail later on due to this inability to look towards the future? If the solution cannot be provided by the market then government has no choice but to intervene.
That's why there are thousands of companies out there which are contracted to design specialized software.
AKA fly-by-night firms. Here today gone tomorrow. That isn't very re-assuring to me as a small business owner. I need accountability.
Do you really think those companies have any interest in portability, accurate documentation, and clean code? Hell no! They do what they have to do to keep their customers coming back, rather than trying to go it alone or moving to the competition.
If business consumers are dumb enough to agree with a company who takes the cheapest option and not the SUREST option this degrades consumer confidence in that sector in the long-run. In the B2B sector loss of confidence is potentially FATAL. B2B sector relies almost EXCLUSIVELY on long-term relationships and constant renegotiation of terms. Many IT developments assist the B2B sector, enable it's growth and growing confidence. With no IT support, the B2B sector becomes an epic fail, costs rise again and logistics innovations we consider the status quo becomes a problem again, similar to the days before automated sourcing and telecommunications advancement. This is a key problem with American firms today. Take away confidence in the market and you are fucked. When the B2B sector fails, the end-consumer (us) gets to hear the fat lady sing and we get fucked in our own pockets. Just look around us right now. Banks are just now regaining confidence IN EACH OTHER. Miraculously. Maybe it's because I guess if they don't loosen up credit, no one will be able to buy anything that they want or NEED.
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mgz:
--- Quote from: furuoshiki on May 28, 2009, 08:49:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: iindigo on May 27, 2009, 05:49:14 PM ---Still, it's not a very smart choice. It's like choosing to live off of 99¢ McDonalds burgers for the next 10 years because they're cheaper than healthy food. You might save money and effort now, but it's gonna catch up to you at one point or another.
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Exactly.
--- Quote from: sdedalus83 on May 27, 2009, 07:40:44 PM ---These are small companies desperately trying to keep up. Most of them can't afford experienced programmers, let alone software architects and business model analysts.
PLAY HARD OR GO HOME. If you can't play the entire game there is no point in playing to begin with because your weaknesses will just become a problem later on. When taking out business loans this cost is supposed to be factored in. If the bank won't give you a loan that is large enough to buffer the impact of having to upgrade software that is necessary, maybe it's time to re-think your business plan.
When the current system can no longer handle the workload, they do everything possible to keep the old system useful while adding the needed functionality. Attempting to see ten years into the future and hiring a development team to move everything to portable, self developed software would be suicidal.
Yet for an emerging company that seeks to be competitive...IT ACTUALLY IS VITAL. Many economic theorists say this is the weakest point in capitalism, planning for the long-term. YET FIRMS DO IT ALL THE TIME. It can be done but SACRIFICES must be made. If you can't make those sacrifices then why start a business to begin with when it will clearly fail later on due to this inability to look towards the future? If the solution cannot be provided by the market then government has no choice but to intervene.
That's why there are thousands of companies out there which are contracted to design specialized software.
AKA fly-by-night firms. Here today gone tomorrow. That isn't very re-assuring to me as a small business owner. I need accountability.
Do you really think those companies have any interest in portability, accurate documentation, and clean code? Hell no! They do what they have to do to keep their customers coming back, rather than trying to go it alone or moving to the competition.
If customers are dumb enough to agree with a company who takes the cheapest option and not the SUREST option this degrades consumer confidence. This is a key problem with American firms today. Take away confidence in the market and you are fucked. Just look around us right now. Banks are just now regaining confidence. Miraculously. Maybe it's because I guess if they don't loosen up credit, no one will be able to buy anything.
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Most of those answers and good and fine to say and "believe in" but when you are talking about the difference of tens of thousands of dollars for one piece of software, lets say it costs 10k for your 1 software that does what you want for 4 or 5 years.
You pay 2 or 3 times as much but it works on 8 different operating systems for 7 or 8 years. Do you really care if it does what you need it to for as long as you need it to.
Its like saying HEY LETS GO SPEND 50K ON A NICE BMW OR LEXUS, when all you can afford is a 2001 toyota corolla that costs a fraction of the price and might have 3k worth of problems over then next 4 years but you know what it still = less then the brand new car that had zero problems
sdedalus83:
Try more along the lines of 10k for a custom access application vs 200k a year on labor costs for the same app, vs 2 million a year on labor to build it from the ground up. Both Gallup and UPS used a lot of custom software for which they contracted out to specialty development houses. Small companies rarely even have that luxury.
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