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fohfoh:
I tried a hackintosh... no fun. Went and tried a real mac for 2 days (borrowed from a friend). Had no fun. It was useful and decent for basic stuff.... but not the type of thing I personally want.
So I bought a sony vaio. Dual booted vista//ubuntu. Vista sucked ass, lagged to hell and kept crashing on me. Dual booted XP home but that didn't last long till I went to dual booting Win 7 and ubuntu.
Ubuntu might not be as well set up as a mac, but I like it better cost wise and customization wise. Functionality, it's about the same as a mac (in the way I use it). There's less support... but it's not like I go to support anyways when I can't get my computer to work for me.
Windows 7 looks like vista, functions like vista, but has the speed of XP. I use it for the other programs I am unable to use in ubuntu.
geoffreak:
--- Quote from: zherok on March 06, 2009, 03:59:55 AM ---
--- Quote ---The same specs will offer at least a 30-50% improvement over Windows.
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30-50% improvement over what, specifically?
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Over a PC with similar specs
@mgz
The game selection for Macs isn't as good as Windows machines, yes, but who doesn't have an XBox 360/Wii/PS3 these days? Some people I know who are avid gamers will get one Windows rig for gaming, but will do everything else on a Mac. Most just double boot as Macs have more than enough power to play games on fairly high settings under Windows.
You may want to look into a Hackintosh as these use parts that are the same as what Apple uses, and runs Mac OSX. This is by far the cheapest way to get a super powered computer (don't forget that Mac OSX is more efficient than Windows), but you do sacrifice a bit of stability (not as much as Windows though) and don't get the absolutely stellar Apple customer support and repairs.
@furuoshiki
You obviously haven't tried a Mac, but you seem willing to see if it meets the hype. Just go to an Apple store, or ask a friend to show you their Mac (make sure it is a newer model for better representation).
Apple has absolutely awesome customer support and free repairs (for factory faults) for up to three years (1 for free, and the other two are cheap). Also, you can take your computer to an Apple store and have it fixed the same day, instead of shipping off somewhere to Sony HQ for weeks or months, as time is critical for business.
Apple is more than a brand name. Please actually look at what they offer and consider it instead of simply just brushing it off. Like all companies, sometimes they offer something that is right for you, and sometimes they don't, but you don't know until you check it out.
Price is always an issue with Macs, and you really don't realize how much you spend after the initial price of purchase on a Windows computer that you don't on a mac. All those antivirus subscriptions that you need to protect your business critical data would likely more than fill the gap between a Sony VAIO and a MacBook Pro, not to mention the hassle you don't have to go through to not need antivirus on a Mac (as long as you aren't being stupid, and really so).
I'm going to go off on a bit of a tangent here and explain some of the best brands in technology (for consumers) for certain computers and parts, and you may be surprised at some of these. These are considered by the best price to performance/quality ratio.
Best monitors: Dell
Best mice: Logitech/Microsoft
Best hard drives: Seagate/WD
Best power laptop: MacBook Pro (holds the crown of most powerful Vista laptop periodically too)
Best HTPC: Mac mini/WD TV
Best super computer: Mac Pro
Best wireless router: Linksys WRT54G
A few things to avoid:
A Dell computer - these things stop working after a year of casual use
An Apple TV - maximum 720p resolution is unacceptable these days
An Eee PC - cellphones are more powerful than these things (cheaper too)
A MacBook Air - ~$2k for a laptop which gives equivalent power of a low end notebook that can fit in an envelop is retarded
Lupin:
--- Quote from: geoffreak on March 06, 2009, 03:27:00 AM ---WINDOWS ADDICTS AND LINUX ADDICTS ARE JUST AS BIG OF SHITBAGS AS MAC ADDICTS
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indeed! :D
--- Quote from: geoffreak on March 06, 2009, 03:27:00 AM ---Now here is why you cannot compare specs on Macs and PCs. Windows ≠ Mac OSX. Mac OSX is SIGNIFICANTLY more efficient in everything it does than Windows. The same specs will offer at least a 30-50% improvement over Windows.
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you just said Windows ≠ Mac OSX. how were you able to say that there's a 30-50% improvement when you can't even compare them on some common ground? your claim would be invalid because it's a comparison between two very different things. i can understand if it's between xp and vista or between OSX and some old version of the macOS but you're like comparing apples to oranges. were the same benchmarks, hardware specs used in your claim? just wondering...
zherok:
--- Quote from: geoffreak on March 06, 2009, 04:49:35 AM ---Over a PC with similar specs
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I mean what is it doing 30-50% better.
Also, is this considering XP? It's still a viable option, and it's less overhead than Vista. I don't think anyone would begrudge Mac offering a smoother user experience than Vista.
Arveene:
--- Quote from: geoffreak on March 06, 2009, 04:49:35 AM ---Over a PC with similar specs
@mgz
The game selection for Macs isn't as good as Windows machines, yes, but who doesn't have an XBox 360/Wii/PS3 these days? Some people I know who are avid gamers will get one Windows rig for gaming, but will do everything else on a Mac. Most just double boot as Macs have more than enough power to play games on fairly high settings under Windows.
You may want to look into a Hackintosh as these use parts that are the same as what Apple uses, and runs Mac OSX. This is by far the cheapest way to get a super powered computer (don't forget that Mac OSX is more efficient than Windows), but you do sacrifice a bit of stability (not as much as Windows though) and don't get the absolutely stellar Apple customer support and repairs.
I'm going to go off on a bit of a tangent here and explain some of the best brands in technology (for consumers) for certain computers and parts, and you may be surprised at some of these. These are considered by the best price to performance/quality ratio.
edited out some to save space
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One user doesn't represent the whole, but for what it's worth I've been using a dell XPS 700 since 2006 now. The only things I've had to spend on it are a couple of new hard drives to increase the amount of space I have and I upgraded my video card recently. Zero problems. Common sense can usually avoid needing to pay for a subscription anti-virus service.
I can agree on quite a few of those choices. Logitech, Dell Monitors, WD.
I have used a Mac before and I'll agree, it does have it's advantages. For a hardcore gamer that only plays computer games tho, I'll stick with Windows. I haven't had any problems.
Also.. I haven't owned a console since I had 3 PS2s and a GameCube go bad all within 2 months. I was a PC gamer before that, and always will be for sure.
I'm also interested in seeing the 30-50% improvement you're talking about out of curiosity. Benchmarks? What kinds of tests? I find that numbers that large to be pretty hard to believe.
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