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Re: Apple releases new... everything
« Reply #60 on: March 06, 2009, 02:51:39 AM »
I was hoping you'd have more than just "it works for me," honestly, because no matter what system I'm looking at, it's literally hundreds of dollars apart from a pre-built Windows machine with near the same specs.

The footprint difference is unimportant to me, I've got a 19" CRT dominating my desk at the moment, it'd be near impossible to not recapture my desk with a cheaper and better LCD nowadays.

Can you be more specific? What's several hundred dollars worth of better work flow actually represent?

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Re: Apple releases new... everything
« Reply #61 on: March 06, 2009, 03:00:18 AM »
It's all about exclusive apps.
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Re: Apple releases new... everything
« Reply #62 on: March 06, 2009, 03:02:08 AM »
Specifically...?

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Re: Apple releases new... everything
« Reply #63 on: March 06, 2009, 03:27:00 AM »
Mac has a ton more potential that everyone is giving it credit for. I'm a computer engineer and have dealt with all three operating systems, and I prefer Mac OSX because it just works. No having to fight configurations, viruses, or missing dll files. I was a hardcore Windows fan up until I used my first Mac in middle school for a film making class. I didn't end up buying one until the beginning of last year after doing a ton of research on why I should get a Mac. I'm a hardcore computer user and a casual gamer and Mac OSX is exactly what I needed. I bought Windows XP so I could dual boot and play my Windows games, but I removed XP off my hard drive after it rotted because Mac OSX is too awesome to boot out of. Now, I'm not saying it couldn't be better, but it is a HUGE step up from Windows.

I've found that around 50% of the people who outright don't like Macs have never used or seen one in their life. 20% can't get over their Windows bias to give Mac a valid chance when they do see it. 20% look at the upfront price and turn away, despite the fact that you are saving yourself a ton of money down the road (more on this below). 5% have been around rabid Mac addicts and have become sick of Macs (we Mac users hate these kind of people just like everybody else, but everyone groups us with them). 5% just want something that can check their email and won't upgrade anyways.

WINDOWS ADDICTS AND LINUX ADDICTS ARE JUST AS BIG OF SHITBAGS AS MAC ADDICTS

Anyways, here is a basic layout of what OS is used in what (computer using) industry. The more dominate OS is listed first, with the least listed last. Only major OSes are listed for each.
Engineering: Linux, Windows XP
Graphics/Web Design: Mac OSX, Windows XP
Finance: Windows XP
Game Programming: Windows XP, Mac OSX
Film: Avid OS, Mac OSX
Information Processing: Linux, Mac OSX
Small businesses: Mac OSX, Windows Vista, Windows XP
(Online) Freelance work: Mac OSX, Windows XP

Now here is why you cannot compare specs on Macs and PCs. Windows ≠ Mac OSX. Mac OSX is SIGNIFICANTLY more efficient in everything it does than Windows. The same specs will offer at least a 30-50% improvement over Windows. If you want to upgrade a PC to offer that much of a performance improvement, you will be paying much more than a Mac costs. Don't forget, when you boot into Windows, you will have an equivalent performance to a similar specced PC as you are using the same hardware. You don't have to run Windows to play your games, because OpenGL (Mac, some Windows) games don't need anywhere near as crazy powered graphics cards to run at full quality as DirectX (Windows) games.

I could talk all day about why Microsoft's model is setup for them to only produce the bare minimum and screw over the users so long as there isn't competition (see the Netscape vs IE wars, and why IE used to be the most awesome browser while it was fighting Netscape), but I won't get into that now.

Anyways, Mac OSX is all about the easy to use UI. There really isn't a good way to describe it that would sound appealing to a Windows user, but I recommend that you stop by an Apple store and try one of the many computers they have on display for you to try. Make sure you go with an open mind as a bias will not allow you to record accurate data. Also, the Apple store employees DON'T work on commission so they won't try to sell you anything you don't want, but they will be able to answer any basic questions you have.

Appwise, Mac OSX is by far the best media OS in existence. There really isn't anything (besides Blu-ray, but that will be fixed soon) that can't be done media-wise on a Mac. Also, because of all the included GUI libraries Mac OSX offers programmers, all your apps will have consistency in interface that is very intuitive. A few applications of note are GarageBand, iMovie, iPhoto, Plex, and much more. Adobe has all their creative suites for Mac OSX, and Microsoft Office is surprisingly much more stable on a Mac than on Windows (Also of note: the latest version for Macs is 2008, whereas Windows is 2007). iTunes is also really awesome in Mac OSX (the Windows version is fairly pathetic).

Using Mac OSX for the first time can be a slightly scary experience, but this can also be said about upgrading to a new version of Windows. You will have to get used to a few Mac OSX quirks that are different from Windows, but nearly everyone is capable of figuring anything out in the OS and it takes the most technologically declined less than a month to get used to it (I figured just about everything out in a day or two). I can post some links to some great guides about differences between Mac OSX and Windows and how easy it is to start using a Mac and doing everything you did before and more.

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Re: Apple releases new... everything
« Reply #64 on: March 06, 2009, 03:28:41 AM »
It may be just because I'm tired, but I'm really not sure about how I'd go into specifics.

I won't just parrot the whole "no malware!" bit, because it's usually not an issue on Windows if you're not stupid. It is a little comforting that the chance you'll be hit is lower anyway, though.

And if you ask me, the entire OS is just designed much, much more nicely than Windows is. Apple has spent a lot of time and money researching these things over the years, and while they aren't right about everything, some things just make sense - for example, one static menubar for the whole system vs. the pointless redundancy of attaching one to each application window.

There are also all kinds of little productivity-enhancing bits spread throughout the OS. A good example is the little icon found in the titlebars of windows that contain documents:




Hidden inside that little icon is a lot of functionality. Want to move or copy the file that's currently open, but don't have its folder open at the moment? Just drag the icon like as if it were a regular document. Hold down the alt key to turn that move into a copy. If you're wondering about the document's path, it can also do that. Hold down the Apple key and click to icon to open a menu revealing the document's path:



Of course, clicking any of the directories shown in the list will open them in the file browser.


• The UI is optimized for handling large numbers of windows that are all differently-sized to best accommodate their functions, which contrasts Windows which is designed around all program windows being maximized. It's much more friendly to multitasking.
• Drag and drop is not only widely supported throughout the system, but also in the vast majority of Mac applications.
• Mac applications, rather than sprawling out all over your system like some sort of octopus, are for the most part self-contained and are usually removed by simply deleting them.
• There is no central registry to grow massive and get corrupted; all programs store their preferences in separate files in the users' preferences folder.
• Text appears on the screen exactly how it will appear if printed.
• Nearly every Mac application gets to take advantage of the system-wide grammar and spell checker.
• The system never forces bizarre fake folder hierarchy like Windows does.
• OS X is sold as one package, one edition, one size fits all. Even the 32-bit and 64-bit versions are on the same DVD.
• 32-bit programs and drivers run perfectly on the 64-bit version of the OS.
• OS X requires no serial, activation, or registration and thus won't bitch at you when you swap out system components.

There are a lot of other differences, but I'm tired and thus my brain is dead...

So aside from major design differences, little things like that add up to really make a large difference once you're accustomed to the system.

Another distinct advantage is that you can perform pretty much any generic Unix or Linux command through the OS X terminal. You can also run a very large portion of Linux software in addition to your toolset of native Mac applications.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2009, 04:06:24 AM by iindigo »

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« Reply #65 on: March 06, 2009, 03:57:24 AM »
Mac has a ton more potential that everyone is giving it credit for. I'm a computer engineer and have dealt with all three operating systems, and I prefer Mac OSX because it just works. No having to fight configurations, viruses, or missing dll files. I was a hardcore Windows fan up until I used my first Mac in middle school for a film making class. I didn't end up buying one until the beginning of last year after doing a ton of research on why I should get a Mac. I'm a hardcore computer user and a casual gamer and Mac OSX is exactly what I needed. I bought Windows XP so I could dual boot and play my Windows games, but I removed XP off my hard drive after it rotted because Mac OSX is too awesome to boot out of. Now, I'm not saying it couldn't be better, but it is a HUGE step up from Windows.

I've found that around 50% of the people who outright don't like Macs have never used or seen one in their life. 20% can't get over their Windows bias to give Mac a valid chance when they do see it. 20% look at the upfront price and turn away, despite the fact that you are saving yourself a ton of money down the road (more on this below). 5% have been around rabid Mac addicts and have become sick of Macs (we Mac users hate these kind of people just like everybody else, but everyone groups us with them). 5% just want something that can check their email and won't upgrade anyways.

WINDOWS ADDICTS AND LINUX ADDICTS ARE JUST AS BIG OF SHITBAGS AS MAC ADDICTS

Anyways, here is a basic layout of what OS is used in what (computer using) industry. The more dominate OS is listed first, with the least listed last. Only major OSes are listed for each.
Engineering: Linux, Windows XP
Graphics/Web Design: Mac OSX, Windows XP
Finance: Windows XP
Game Programming: Windows XP, Mac OSX
Film: Avid OS, Mac OSX
Information Processing: Linux, Mac OSX
Small businesses: Mac OSX, Windows Vista, Windows XP
(Online) Freelance work: Mac OSX, Windows XP

Now here is why you cannot compare specs on Macs and PCs. Windows ≠ Mac OSX. Mac OSX is SIGNIFICANTLY more efficient in everything it does than Windows. The same specs will offer at least a 30-50% improvement over Windows. If you want to upgrade a PC to offer that much of a performance improvement, you will be paying much more than a Mac costs. Don't forget, when you boot into Windows, you will have an equivalent performance to a similar specced PC as you are using the same hardware. You don't have to run Windows to play your games, because OpenGL (Mac, some Windows) games don't need anywhere near as crazy powered graphics cards to run at full quality as DirectX (Windows) games.

I could talk all day about why Microsoft's model is setup for them to only produce the bare minimum and screw over the users so long as there isn't competition (see the Netscape vs IE wars, and why IE used to be the most awesome browser while it was fighting Netscape), but I won't get into that now.

Anyways, Mac OSX is all about the easy to use UI. There really isn't a good way to describe it that would sound appealing to a Windows user, but I recommend that you stop by an Apple store and try one of the many computers they have on display for you to try. Make sure you go with an open mind as a bias will not allow you to record accurate data. Also, the Apple store employees DON'T work on commission so they won't try to sell you anything you don't want, but they will be able to answer any basic questions you have.

Appwise, Mac OSX is by far the best media OS in existence. There really isn't anything (besides Blu-ray, but that will be fixed soon) that can't be done media-wise on a Mac. Also, because of all the included GUI libraries Mac OSX offers programmers, all your apps will have consistency in interface that is very intuitive. A few applications of note are GarageBand, iMovie, iPhoto, Plex, and much more. Adobe has all their creative suites for Mac OSX, and Microsoft Office is surprisingly much more stable on a Mac than on Windows (Also of note: the latest version for Macs is 2008, whereas Windows is 2007). iTunes is also really awesome in Mac OSX (the Windows version is fairly pathetic).

Using Mac OSX for the first time can be a slightly scary experience, but this can also be said about upgrading to a new version of Windows. You will have to get used to a few Mac OSX quirks that are different from Windows, but nearly everyone is capable of figuring anything out in the OS and it takes the most technologically declined less than a month to get used to it (I figured just about everything out in a day or two). I can post some links to some great guides about differences between Mac OSX and Windows and how easy it is to start using a Mac and doing everything you did before and more.
um windows addicts like myself enjoy playing video games on our significantly cheaper better performing computers and since its like 1/15 games that supports a mac well you can figure it out

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Re: Apple releases new... everything
« Reply #66 on: March 06, 2009, 03:59:55 AM »
Thanks iindigo. Your list does have some nice points. I'm not sure it's several hundred dollars worth, but they're concrete differences at least.

Honestly looking at PC prices, I think my next computer is still gonna be Windows, but it's something to consider when I've got more discretionary income at least.

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The same specs will offer at least a 30-50% improvement over Windows.
30-50% improvement over what, specifically?

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Microsoft Office is surprisingly much more stable on a Mac than on Windows (Also of note: the latest version for Macs is 2008, whereas Windows is 2007). iTunes is also really awesome in Mac OSX (the Windows version is fairly pathetic).
I don't think the year difference means what you're implying, it probably means that they simply took long enough on the Mac version that it'd have been silly to label it 2007. So far as I'm aware, there's some things missing in the Mac version, but they'd probably be unimportant to me, I use Open Office, and almost exclusively as a simple word processor anyway.

There was one thing I did like in iTunes (the windows version), and that was it's really simple search box, but yeah, other than that it's clunky and not very good. The Windows standard is pretty shitty too, but given the alternatives I'm not really seeing much reason to use either, at least for Windows.

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Re: Apple releases new... everything
« Reply #67 on: March 06, 2009, 04:20:02 AM »
I don't think I can add much (iindigo and geoffreak covered almost everything), but there are some small things that I value just as much.

I don't have a entire room just for my Computers, so I want them to make as little noise as possible. Apple's machines are nearly silent unless under a heavy load. My iMac G4 was practically silent. My Mac mini is also extremely quiet. There are some great PCs that make very little noise but the majority of them have loud fans that would keep me up all night.

As iindigo said, nearly every app takes advantage of built in spelling and grammar checking. This sounds like a small thing but its very important to me and my terrible spelling.

Also most programs support the built-in dictionary. Highlight and right click on any unknown word and choose "Look up in dictionary". Extremely useful and also links to the Wikipedia article if it has one.

I don't know if OS X gives a 30-50% performance improvement as geoffreak says, but even my now 4 year old iBook G4 seems just as fast as my brothers Core 2 based HP in basic everyday tasks. It will not play 1080p video like his will but for 95% of the things I do its still just as fast as his.




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Re: Apple releases new... everything
« Reply #68 on: March 06, 2009, 04:20:24 AM »
In the end all of this sounds fantastic, but Zherok's point is unfortunately the sticking one.

The Price tag.

I have dealt with Sony all my life and that's who I feel comfortable with. I have experimented with other brands and they have failed me every time. These brief stints with competitors have strengthened the "bond" that I and Sony share. This is the reason I bought my VAIO. I don't have money to waste on laptops that will make me look cool or unique yet break within the first year that I get it.

Basically my standards for electronics are ....if the device is being used in the business capacity, it is good enough for me. Unfortunately I don't see many Mac Advertisements targeting the small business man.

I will be honest and say Sony VAIO is similar to Apple in it's price premium and fancy smarmy act. However, Sony is about 2/3 the price and is known for it's superior tech in many other fields aside from laptop technology. So not only do they have brand awareness, but brand loyalty because of the integrity of their other electronic products. Sony can charge a premium price because their name is synonymous with electronics.

Aside from the iPhone, iPod and other minor iGay apps/devices, what has Apple done??? I need some reliability here and some history. Sony was founded in 1946, Apple was founded in 1976. That's a 30-year difference, and it shows...a lot.

So I suppose it'll be another 30 years before I can put my trust in Apple I guess. :(
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Re: Apple releases new... everything
« Reply #69 on: March 06, 2009, 04:30:51 AM »
WOW That's some powerful PR material, I'm completely sold!

*YES I'M GONNA BUY A MAC NEXT TIME I NEED A PERSONAL COMPUTER! ::)
« Last Edit: March 06, 2009, 04:33:15 AM by bloody000 »
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Re: Apple releases new... everything
« Reply #70 on: March 06, 2009, 04:48:44 AM »
I tried a hackintosh... no fun. Went and tried a real mac for 2 days (borrowed from a friend). Had no fun. It was useful and decent for basic stuff.... but not the type of thing I personally want.

So I bought a sony vaio. Dual booted vista//ubuntu. Vista sucked ass, lagged to hell and kept crashing on me. Dual booted XP home but that didn't last long till I went to dual booting Win 7 and ubuntu.

Ubuntu might not be as well set up as a mac, but I like it better cost wise and customization wise. Functionality, it's about the same as a mac (in the way I use it). There's less support... but it's not like I go to support anyways when I can't get my computer to work for me.

Windows 7 looks like vista, functions like vista, but has the speed of XP. I use it for the other programs I am unable to use in ubuntu.
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Re: Apple releases new... everything
« Reply #71 on: March 06, 2009, 04:49:35 AM »
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The same specs will offer at least a 30-50% improvement over Windows.
30-50% improvement over what, specifically?
Over a PC with similar specs

@mgz
The game selection for Macs isn't as good as Windows machines, yes, but who doesn't have an XBox 360/Wii/PS3 these days? Some people I know who are avid gamers will get one Windows rig for gaming, but will do everything else on a Mac. Most just double boot as Macs have more than enough power to play games on fairly high settings under Windows.
You may want to look into a Hackintosh as these use parts that are the same as what Apple uses, and runs Mac OSX. This is by far the cheapest way to get a super powered computer (don't forget that Mac OSX is more efficient than Windows), but you do sacrifice a bit of stability (not as much as Windows though) and don't get the absolutely stellar Apple customer support and repairs.

@furuoshiki
You obviously haven't tried a Mac, but you seem willing to see if it meets the hype. Just go to an Apple store, or ask a friend to show you their Mac (make sure it is a newer model for better representation).
Apple has absolutely awesome customer support and free repairs (for factory faults) for up to three years (1 for free, and the other two are cheap). Also, you can take your computer to an Apple store and have it fixed the same day, instead of shipping off somewhere to Sony HQ for weeks or months, as time is critical for business.
Apple is more than a brand name. Please actually look at what they offer and consider it instead of simply just brushing it off. Like all companies, sometimes they offer something that is right for you, and sometimes they don't, but you don't know until you check it out.
Price is always an issue with Macs, and you really don't realize how much you spend after the initial price of purchase on a Windows computer that you don't on a mac. All those antivirus subscriptions that you need to protect your business critical data would likely more than fill the gap between a Sony VAIO and a MacBook Pro, not to mention the hassle you don't have to go through to not need antivirus on a Mac (as long as you aren't being stupid, and really so).


I'm going to go off on a bit of a tangent here and explain some of the best brands in technology (for consumers) for certain computers and parts, and you may be surprised at some of these. These are considered by the best price to performance/quality ratio.
Best monitors: Dell
Best mice: Logitech/Microsoft
Best hard drives: Seagate/WD
Best power laptop: MacBook Pro (holds the crown of most powerful Vista laptop periodically too)
Best HTPC: Mac mini/WD TV
Best super computer: Mac Pro
Best wireless router: Linksys WRT54G

A few things to avoid:
A Dell computer - these things stop working after a year of casual use
An Apple TV - maximum 720p resolution is unacceptable these days
An Eee PC - cellphones are more powerful than these things (cheaper too)
A MacBook Air - ~$2k for a laptop which gives equivalent power of a low end notebook that can fit in an envelop is retarded

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Re: Apple releases new... everything
« Reply #72 on: March 06, 2009, 04:59:06 AM »
WINDOWS ADDICTS AND LINUX ADDICTS ARE JUST AS BIG OF SHITBAGS AS MAC ADDICTS

indeed! :D

Now here is why you cannot compare specs on Macs and PCs. Windows ≠ Mac OSX. Mac OSX is SIGNIFICANTLY more efficient in everything it does than Windows. The same specs will offer at least a 30-50% improvement over Windows.

you just said Windows ≠ Mac OSX. how were you able to say that there's a 30-50% improvement when you can't even compare them on some common ground? your claim would be invalid because it's a comparison between two very different things. i can understand if it's between xp and vista or between OSX and some old version of the macOS but you're like comparing apples to oranges. were the same benchmarks, hardware specs used in your claim? just wondering...
« Last Edit: March 06, 2009, 05:04:23 AM by Lupin »

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Re: Apple releases new... everything
« Reply #73 on: March 06, 2009, 05:08:51 AM »
Over a PC with similar specs
I mean what is it doing 30-50% better.

Also, is this considering XP? It's still a viable option, and it's less overhead than Vista. I don't think anyone would begrudge Mac offering a smoother user experience than Vista.

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Re: Apple releases new... everything
« Reply #74 on: March 06, 2009, 09:39:45 AM »
Over a PC with similar specs

@mgz
The game selection for Macs isn't as good as Windows machines, yes, but who doesn't have an XBox 360/Wii/PS3 these days? Some people I know who are avid gamers will get one Windows rig for gaming, but will do everything else on a Mac. Most just double boot as Macs have more than enough power to play games on fairly high settings under Windows.
You may want to look into a Hackintosh as these use parts that are the same as what Apple uses, and runs Mac OSX. This is by far the cheapest way to get a super powered computer (don't forget that Mac OSX is more efficient than Windows), but you do sacrifice a bit of stability (not as much as Windows though) and don't get the absolutely stellar Apple customer support and repairs.


I'm going to go off on a bit of a tangent here and explain some of the best brands in technology (for consumers) for certain computers and parts, and you may be surprised at some of these. These are considered by the best price to performance/quality ratio.

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One user doesn't represent the whole, but for what it's worth I've been using a dell XPS 700 since 2006 now. The only things I've had to spend on it are a couple of new hard drives to increase the amount of space I have and I upgraded my video card recently. Zero problems. Common sense can usually avoid needing to pay for a subscription anti-virus service.

I can agree on quite a few of those choices. Logitech, Dell Monitors, WD.

I have used a Mac before and I'll agree, it does have it's advantages. For a hardcore gamer that only plays computer games tho, I'll stick with Windows. I haven't had any problems.

Also.. I haven't owned a console since I had 3 PS2s and a GameCube go bad all within 2 months. I was a PC gamer before that, and always will be for sure.

I'm also interested in seeing the 30-50% improvement you're talking about out of curiosity. Benchmarks? What kinds of tests? I find that numbers that large to be pretty hard to believe.
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Re: Apple releases new... everything
« Reply #75 on: March 06, 2009, 12:20:22 PM »
While it isn't as much of an issue with Windows 7 coming out, something else worth noting is how OS X plain and simple doesn't require as many resources to run as Vista or maybe even Windows 7 (I can't compare since I haven't personally tried 7 yet). For example, its windowing system is modern and makes heavy use of effects and compositing, yet can run at full speed on a mere single-core 1Ghz machine with a now-puny nVidia Geforce4 MX 32MB (which is worse than even most integrated graphics). My sister uses that machine every day and as long as she isn't running a game, the windowing system shows no signs of lag or strain at all, despite running the absolute latest version of OS X.

And don't underestimate the power of the terminal. For the occasion that some badly-written application decides to freeze up, it's nice to just fire up a terminal session and superkill it with "sudo killall [FrozenAppNameHere]" instead of farting around with the task manager :P


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Re: Apple releases new... everything
« Reply #76 on: March 06, 2009, 01:53:13 PM »
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The same specs will offer at least a 30-50% improvement over Windows.
30-50% improvement over what, specifically?
Over a PC with similar specs

@mgz
The game selection for Macs isn't as good as Windows machines, yes, but who doesn't have an XBox 360/Wii/PS3 these days? Some people I know who are avid gamers will get one Windows rig for gaming, but will do everything else on a Mac. Most just double boot as Macs have more than enough power to play games on fairly high settings under Windows.
You may want to look into a Hackintosh as these use parts that are the same as what Apple uses, and runs Mac OSX. This is by far the cheapest way to get a super powered computer (don't forget that Mac OSX is more efficient than Windows), but you do sacrifice a bit of stability (not as much as Windows though) and don't get the absolutely stellar Apple customer support and repairs.


I'm going to go off on a bit of a tangent here and explain some of the best brands in technology (for consumers) for certain computers and parts, and you may be surprised at some of these. These are considered by the best price to performance/quality ratio.
Best monitors: Dell
Best mice: Logitech/Microsoft
Best hard drives: Seagate/WD
Best power laptop: MacBook Pro (holds the crown of most powerful Vista laptop periodically too)
Best HTPC: Mac mini/WD TV
Best super computer: Mac Pro
Best wireless router: Linksys WRT54G

A few things to avoid:
A Dell computer - these things stop working after a year of casual use
An Apple TV - maximum 720p resolution is unacceptable these days
An Eee PC - cellphones are more powerful than these things (cheaper too)
A MacBook Air - ~$2k for a laptop which gives equivalent power of a low end notebook that can fit in an envelop is retarded

im sorry but macs wont do shit for for wanting to play a game like farcry with cranked graphics, nor will they let me run high end videocards of my choice, on a mac pro i can choose between a singl 512mb ati 4870, or multiple shitty nvidia gt120s, for more performance you can choose 1 card instead of 4.

But god forbid i want 2 or 3 or 4 of the good card ...
and there really is no reason to use a mac other then personal preference. Its USELESS for gaming which is my computers primary function other then playing anime very easily via CCCP.

I have an xbox I DONT USE IT FOR MOST GAMING, i use it specifically for fighting games and a few action games other then that first person shooters 100% computer.
And i dont shut my computer off as it is, do you think i have the patient to fucking shutdown and load a seperate operating system every time im done gaming FUCK THAT GARBAGE

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Re: Apple releases new... everything
« Reply #77 on: March 06, 2009, 02:00:06 PM »
"better side of computing" my arse. Macs are for idiots.
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Re: Apple releases new... everything
« Reply #78 on: March 06, 2009, 02:15:49 PM »
"better side of computing" my arse. Macs are for idiots.

That's personal opinion. Ironically, I've found that OS X generally does less hand holding and expects the user to be more technically adept than Windows does, which is odd considering that Macs are supposedly better for computer noobs than Windows is.

Besides, going to Windows means giving up my commandline (cmd.exe is a poor excuse), which is something I'm not willing to do >_>

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Re: Apple releases new... everything
« Reply #79 on: March 06, 2009, 03:45:22 PM »
"better side of computing" my arse. Macs are for idiots.

That's personal opinion. Ironically, I've found that OS X generally does less hand holding and expects the user to be more technically adept than Windows does, which is odd considering that Macs are supposedly better for computer noobs than Windows is.

Besides, going to Windows means giving up my commandline (cmd.exe is a poor excuse), which is something I'm not willing to do >_>


more like "we make everything auto in Jobs' way and if you don't like it that way we won't make it easy for you to change so you either accept his way of doing things or do your own research and start using terminal"
You love terminal so much you use OS X. Yeah right.
All you have to do is study it out. Just study it out.