Apple releases new... everything

[iindigo]

Well it's your choice entirely if you want to believe me or not, but the terminal is indeed a factor in the equation. I have at least three terminal windows open at any given time doing one thing or another, whether it be retrieving the latest revision of a program from an SVN repository, backing stuff up with rsync, or something as simple as FTP (yes, I prefer the included commandline FTP program to a GUI client).

And what specifically are you talking about as far as customization? If it's themes, you can just as easily theme the system as you could any Windows box. The Dock is totally changeable too and has hundreds of user-made themes to choose from. The level of customizability is quite reasonable if you ask me. It's just as much as Windows.

Now if you're looking for something along the lines of KDE where many toolbars have more buttons than most people have hair, forget it. Apple is wanting to attract customers, not scare them away.

[furuoshiki]

Best super computer: Mac Pro

This, I agree on wholeheartedly. I believe Mac is superior and worthwhile for these purposes: Web design, Marketing firms and those needing a good innovative look to WOW their customers and business partners.

[mgz]

Best super computer: Mac Pro

This, I agree on wholeheartedly. I believe Mac is superior and worthwhile for these purposes: Web design, Marketing firms and those needing a good innovative look to WOW their customers and business partners.

you can get software that functions nearly identically for both windows and mac and have a much wider selection of products within certain areas for most of the things youve stated

Not to say mac isnt better or worse then PCs can be at the same functions

[PowerMac]

Best super computer: Mac Pro

This, I agree on wholeheartedly. I believe Mac is superior and worthwhile for these purposes: Web design, Marketing firms and those needing a good innovative look to WOW their customers and business partners.

you can get software that functions nearly identically for both windows and mac and have a much wider selection of products within certain areas for most of the things youve stated

Not to say mac isnt better or worse then PCs can be at the same functions

Anything you can do on a Mac you can do on Windows. You can also do the same tasks on Linux. Its a matter of personal preference and experience.

[fohfoh]

Repeat after me...

"All BASIC things a mac can do, windows can do."
"All BASIC things windows can do, Mac can do."

Seriously don't fuck it up. A corporation is not going to be happy if all macs are not compatible with their software and they have to buy more stuff to dual boot. A nit picky person is going to flip out when he/she realizes he/she cannot scroll with two fingers, change pages with a swipe etc.

[Lupin]

"All BASIC things a mac can do, windows can do."
"All BASIC things windows can do, Mac can do."

is there really a difference between a mac and a pc?

[iindigo]

"All BASIC things a mac can do, windows can do."
"All BASIC things windows can do, Mac can do."

is there really a difference between a mac and a pc?

In capabilities, no - both platforms are equally capable, it just depends on whether any developers have taken advantage of it or not. In GUI conventions and workflow, yes.
 

[chubbysumo]

it mak you feel ripped off when you cant eve bring it back and get the same that you paid for it, dosent it?

[PowerMac]

Repeat after me...

"All BASIC things a mac can do, windows can do."
"All BASIC things windows can do, Mac can do."

Seriously don't fuck it up. A corporation is not going to be happy if all macs are not compatible with their software and they have to buy more stuff to dual boot. A nit picky person is going to flip out when he/she realizes he/she cannot scroll with two fingers, change pages with a swipe etc.

Apple laptops have had two finger scrolling for years (My 2005 iBook has it). And the new laptops have multi finger gestures like swiping to change pages.

[geoffreak]

Once I got multi-finger gestures, I was no longer able to go without them. You really don't realize how much time you save until you start using them. The only gesture I use frequently is scrolling, but I sometimes use pinch zoom.

[fohfoh]

Repeat after me...

"All BASIC things a mac can do, windows can do."
"All BASIC things windows can do, Mac can do."

Seriously don't fuck it up. A corporation is not going to be happy if all macs are not compatible with their software and they have to buy more stuff to dual boot. A nit picky person is going to flip out when he/she realizes he/she cannot scroll with two fingers, change pages with a swipe etc.

Apple laptops have had two finger scrolling for years (My 2005 iBook has it). And the new laptops have multi finger gestures like swiping to change pages.

I mean't an apple user on a pc won't be able to do the double swipe etc stuff on a windows pc laptop.

[mgz]

whats so great about scrolling with 2 fingers it takes half as many on most laptops (my asus netbook had a bunch of goofy little gestures on the touchpad i didnt bother with)

[molbjerg]

"better side of computing" my arse. Macs are for idiots.

That's personal opinion. Ironically, I've found that OS X generally does less hand holding and expects the user to be more technically adept than Windows does, which is odd considering that Macs are supposedly better for computer noobs than Windows is.

Besides, going to Windows means giving up my commandline (cmd.exe is a poor excuse), which is something I'm not willing to do >_>

Well, I had a little look into xCode and programming on a Mac, and it all seems retarded. Not to mention that the GUI of the Mac's main coding program is awful, far worse than Microsoft visual studio for example, with too many retarded floating windows that it's impossible to keep track of what's going on, if you have multiple projects open there is no easy way to distinguish between them, and one accidental drag and drop can ruin your project. Seriously, when you get to complicated structures, you don't want to be able to drag and drop anything to anything. At least a "You have chosen to drag essential file 'x' into useless directory 'y', which will break your application. Are you sure you weren't trying to just click on file 'x' instead?

All of the above spells retarded to me.

[iindigo]

Well, I had a little look into xCode and programming on a Mac, and it all seems retarded. Not to mention that the GUI of the Mac's main coding program is awful, far worse than Microsoft visual studio for example, with too many retarded floating windows that it's impossible to keep track of what's going on, if you have multiple projects open there is no easy way to distinguish between them, and one accidental drag and drop can ruin your project. Seriously, when you get to complicated structures, you don't want to be able to drag and drop anything to anything. At least a "You have chosen to drag essential file 'x' into useless directory 'y', which will break your application. Are you sure you weren't trying to just click on file 'x' instead?

All of the above spells retarded to me.

While I'm no expert, I've programmed some with Xcode (have coded a webkit-based browser and a couple other random doodads), and honestly, I have no idea what you're talking about. Xcode only has a single floating palette, and it's only open when the user invokes it. Each project is contained in a single window.




Now if you're speaking about Interface Builder, which is separate from Xcode and does nothing but what its name implies, yes it does have a few more palettes. However, to prevent confusion between windows you're working on between separate projects, windows that belong to projects other than the currently active one are dimmed.




As for drag and drop in the file browser "ruining" projects, umm, I don't believe I've ever had that problem happen in my 12+ years of using Macs (which even includes pre-OS X classic Mac OS), despite the fact that I often multitask like a madman. A single glance at the file browser window's path bar tells me exactly where the directory is, and even if a misdrag DOES occur, whoopitee-freakin'-do - Hit command-z (undo) in the Finder (Mac file browser), and that fatal relocation is completely undone. Also, maybe I'm just unnaturally good with my mouse cursor, but accidentally dragging when I intend to click is a rarity - once a month or less.

I tried MS Visual Studio several times, and honestly, I found it confusing and not straightforward at all. Perhaps that's a side-effect of using Xcode, but that's how I feel about it. Xcode/Interface Builder is simple - Create your project, design the interface, write the code, and compile.

[molbjerg]

I haven't used xCode a huge amount, mainly watched and heard the frustrations of a fellow programmer who is mac porting a project we're working on, and have seen it's issues shown to me... Suffice to say that an excellent programmer I know detests xCode, with the reason that the simpler you try to make it the more ridiculous it becomes.

As for the confusion of multiple open projects, I don't mean in the interface builder, I mean that you have one instance of xcode in your mac bar, whatever it's called. Click on that, and you're given a load of crap, especially if both project names are the same you're screwed.

And for misdragging files and ruining a project? Yes, it would be nice if undo actually worked in those instances. Unfortunately though, all undo ever really helps is editing text...

Like I say, I've not messed with xCode much, my opinion is pretty much stolen from a programmer, far, far superior to you or I.

[fohfoh]

When you figure out how to use something, OF COURSE it's going to be damned easy.

Know how to use photoshop.... it becomes damned easy.
But if you're like me and you don't know how to use it... you stare at it like a fucking retard then go back to your alternative. (For me, it's mspaint)

But just because you feel something is easy doesn't mean other people feel the same.

[iindigo]

As for the confusion of multiple open projects, I don't mean in the interface builder, I mean that you have one instance of xcode in your mac bar, whatever it's called. Click on that, and you're given a load of crap, especially if both project names are the same you're screwed.

That's not just Xcode - it's how applications behave under Mac OS, period. All windows of an application are contained by a single instance of the program unless you actually duplicate the program you want a totally separate instance of and launch it. I can't say I've had trouble with that, either - I just name projects differently, even if they're both the same or very similar; for example, I might have MplayerStable.xcode proj and MplayerSVN.xcodepro j.

And for misdragging files and ruining a project? Yes, it would be nice if undo actually worked in those instances. Unfortunately though, all undo ever really helps is editing text...

Maybe I'm just naive, but I still don't understand how a single drag could ruin a project. Care to explain?

Like I say, I've not messed with xCode much, my opinion is pretty much stolen from a programmer, far, far superior to you or I.

Like fohfoh said, it really depends on what you're used to, e.g. Photoshop people tend to hate Gimp's interface and vice versa.

[dankles]

Well, I had a little look into xCode and programming on a Mac, and it all seems retarded. Not to mention that the GUI of the Mac's main coding program is awful, far worse than Microsoft visual studio for example, with too many retarded floating windows that it's impossible to keep track of what's going on, if you have multiple projects open there is no easy way to distinguish between them, and one accidental drag and drop can ruin your project. Seriously, when you get to complicated structures, you don't want to be able to drag and drop anything to anything. At least a "You have chosen to drag essential file 'x' into useless directory 'y', which will break your application. Are you sure you weren't trying to just click on file 'x' instead?

All of the above spells retarded to me.

While I'm no expert, I've programmed some with Xcode (have coded a webkit-based browser and a couple other random doodads), and honestly, I have no idea what you're talking about. Xcode only has a single floating palette, and it's only open when the user invokes it. Each project is contained in a single window.




Now if you're speaking about Interface Builder, which is separate from Xcode and does nothing but what its name implies, yes it does have a few more palettes. However, to prevent confusion between windows you're working on between separate projects, windows that belong to projects other than the currently active one are dimmed.




As for drag and drop in the file browser "ruining" projects, umm, I don't believe I've ever had that problem happen in my 12+ years of using Macs (which even includes pre-OS X classic Mac OS), despite the fact that I often multitask like a madman. A single glance at the file browser window's path bar tells me exactly where the directory is, and even if a misdrag DOES occur, whoopitee-freakin'-do - Hit command-z (undo) in the Finder (Mac file browser), and that fatal relocation is completely undone. Also, maybe I'm just unnaturally good with my mouse cursor, but accidentally dragging when I intend to click is a rarity - once a month or less.

I tried MS Visual Studio several times, and honestly, I found it confusing and not straightforward at all. Perhaps that's a side-effect of using Xcode, but that's how I feel about it. Xcode/Interface Builder is simple - Create your project, design the interface, write the code, and compile.

As a programmer, I'll say that Xcode is really nice. Great IDE , very integrated, easy to understand, fast.... Lots of great things about it.
Personally I stick with my trusted emacs for all programing. but thats just because It's like so nerdy it's cool. lol

[chubbysumo]

"better side of computing" my arse. Macs are for idiots.

That's personal opinion. Ironically, I've found that OS X generally does less hand holding and expects the user to be more technically adept than Windows does, which is odd considering that Macs are supposedly better for computer noobs than Windows is.

Besides, going to Windows means giving up my commandline (cmd.exe is a poor excuse), which is something I'm not willing to do >_>

What?? i use windows and i have all the commandline i want.  CMD.EXE is still in windows, and its a handy thing too. Windows comandline tools are the same as in macs, basically, they just run stuff from a specified set of paramiters.  All are the same, windows command line tools just mean you have to be a bit more experienced in how to use them.

[geoffreak]

What?? i use windows and i have all the commandline i want.  CMD.EXE is still in windows, and its a handy thing too. Windows comandline tools are the same as in macs, basically, they just run stuff from a specified set of paramiters.  All are the same, windows command line tools just mean you have to be a bit more experienced in how to use them.

Command prompt is just a joke addon. Terminal is an actual part of the OS.