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fohfoh:
When you figure out how to use something, OF COURSE it's going to be damned easy.
Know how to use photoshop.... it becomes damned easy.
But if you're like me and you don't know how to use it... you stare at it like a fucking retard then go back to your alternative. (For me, it's mspaint)
But just because you feel something is easy doesn't mean other people feel the same.
iindigo:
--- Quote from: molbjerg on March 09, 2009, 01:17:51 PM ---As for the confusion of multiple open projects, I don't mean in the interface builder, I mean that you have one instance of xcode in your mac bar, whatever it's called. Click on that, and you're given a load of crap, especially if both project names are the same you're screwed.
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That's not just Xcode - it's how applications behave under Mac OS, period. All windows of an application are contained by a single instance of the program unless you actually duplicate the program you want a totally separate instance of and launch it. I can't say I've had trouble with that, either - I just name projects differently, even if they're both the same or very similar; for example, I might have MplayerStable.xcode proj and MplayerSVN.xcodepro j.
--- Quote from: molbjerg on March 09, 2009, 01:17:51 PM ---And for misdragging files and ruining a project? Yes, it would be nice if undo actually worked in those instances. Unfortunately though, all undo ever really helps is editing text...
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Maybe I'm just naive, but I still don't understand how a single drag could ruin a project. Care to explain?
--- Quote from: molbjerg on March 09, 2009, 01:17:51 PM ---Like I say, I've not messed with xCode much, my opinion is pretty much stolen from a programmer, far, far superior to you or I.
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Like fohfoh said, it really depends on what you're used to, e.g. Photoshop people tend to hate Gimp's interface and vice versa.
dankles:
--- Quote from: iindigo on March 09, 2009, 12:59:57 PM ---
--- Quote from: molbjerg on March 09, 2009, 09:15:43 AM ---Well, I had a little look into xCode and programming on a Mac, and it all seems retarded. Not to mention that the GUI of the Mac's main coding program is awful, far worse than Microsoft visual studio for example, with too many retarded floating windows that it's impossible to keep track of what's going on, if you have multiple projects open there is no easy way to distinguish between them, and one accidental drag and drop can ruin your project. Seriously, when you get to complicated structures, you don't want to be able to drag and drop anything to anything. At least a "You have chosen to drag essential file 'x' into useless directory 'y', which will break your application. Are you sure you weren't trying to just click on file 'x' instead?
All of the above spells retarded to me.
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While I'm no expert, I've programmed some with Xcode (have coded a webkit-based browser and a couple other random doodads), and honestly, I have no idea what you're talking about. Xcode only has a single floating palette, and it's only open when the user invokes it. Each project is contained in a single window.
Now if you're speaking about Interface Builder, which is separate from Xcode and does nothing but what its name implies, yes it does have a few more palettes. However, to prevent confusion between windows you're working on between separate projects, windows that belong to projects other than the currently active one are dimmed.
As for drag and drop in the file browser "ruining" projects, umm, I don't believe I've ever had that problem happen in my 12+ years of using Macs (which even includes pre-OS X classic Mac OS), despite the fact that I often multitask like a madman. A single glance at the file browser window's path bar tells me exactly where the directory is, and even if a misdrag DOES occur, whoopitee-freakin'-do - Hit command-z (undo) in the Finder (Mac file browser), and that fatal relocation is completely undone. Also, maybe I'm just unnaturally good with my mouse cursor, but accidentally dragging when I intend to click is a rarity - once a month or less.
I tried MS Visual Studio several times, and honestly, I found it confusing and not straightforward at all. Perhaps that's a side-effect of using Xcode, but that's how I feel about it. Xcode/Interface Builder is simple - Create your project, design the interface, write the code, and compile.
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As a programmer, I'll say that Xcode is really nice. Great IDE , very integrated, easy to understand, fast.... Lots of great things about it.
Personally I stick with my trusted emacs for all programing. but thats just because It's like so nerdy it's cool. lol
chubbysumo:
--- Quote from: molbjerg on March 09, 2009, 09:15:43 AM ---
--- Quote from: iindigo on March 06, 2009, 02:15:49 PM ---"better side of computing" my arse. Macs are for idiots.
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That's personal opinion. Ironically, I've found that OS X generally does less hand holding and expects the user to be more technically adept than Windows does, which is odd considering that Macs are supposedly better for computer noobs than Windows is.
Besides, going to Windows means giving up my commandline (cmd.exe is a poor excuse), which is something I'm not willing to do >_>
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What?? i use windows and i have all the commandline i want. CMD.EXE is still in windows, and its a handy thing too. Windows comandline tools are the same as in macs, basically, they just run stuff from a specified set of paramiters. All are the same, windows command line tools just mean you have to be a bit more experienced in how to use them.
geoffreak:
--- Quote from: chubbysumo on March 09, 2009, 06:11:34 PM ---What?? i use windows and i have all the commandline i want. CMD.EXE is still in windows, and its a handy thing too. Windows comandline tools are the same as in macs, basically, they just run stuff from a specified set of paramiters. All are the same, windows command line tools just mean you have to be a bit more experienced in how to use them.
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Command prompt is just a joke addon. Terminal is an actual part of the OS.
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