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Offline AoG

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Re: Demon's Souls -- ORDER IT NOW!
« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2010, 02:11:03 AM »
On NG you can tank the flamelurker easy. On my melee characters i hide behind a purple flame shield a ring of fire resistance and water veil or second chance. Then i just poke it with whatever spear i have lol. On my most recent mage i just rolled and dodged with my +4 crescent uchi he went down pretty fast.

With second chance though all bosses are pretty much easy mode except the maneater because he just rages and knocks you off the edge but then i rage harder and firestorm his ass lol.
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Re: Demon's Souls -- ORDER IT NOW!
« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2010, 03:26:47 AM »
120 is ok damage... not great... But that's what a winged spear does at like +3 and I'm pretty sure it's faster than the bastard sword.

I didn't go all out res when I first beat flamelurker. I got ganked like 50 times by maneater, got pissed as hell and stopped playing. Decided to look up how to beat him and realized I was using protect instead of ward. Decided to go finish world 2 to get my fully body back instead of soul form and destroyed him the first time I fought him. I use the standard temple knight stuff, halberd +6 (standard temple knight), silver catalyst and adjudicator's shield. Rings... I think I used Avarice and thief's ring lol.

I have not unlocked second chance on any of my chars yet. I might unlock miracles when I make a bow char, but all current chars went to unlock spells first. I need to beat it the second time around to get the rest of the spells and I need to beat the yellow ribbon crazy mage 1 more time. (Didn't opt for an insanity catalyst on melee char since it halves your MP and I only use magic on melee char for ward)
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Re: Demon's Souls -- ORDER IT NOW!
« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2010, 04:00:38 AM »
120 is ok damage... not great... But that's what a winged spear does at like +3 and I'm pretty sure it's faster than the bastard sword.

I didn't go all out res when I first beat flamelurker. I got ganked like 50 times by maneater, got pissed as hell and stopped playing. Decided to look up how to beat him and realized I was using protect instead of ward. Decided to go finish world 2 to get my fully body back instead of soul form and destroyed him the first time I fought him. I use the standard temple knight stuff, halberd +6 (standard temple knight), silver catalyst and adjudicator's shield. Rings... I think I used Avarice and thief's ring lol.

I have not unlocked second chance on any of my chars yet. I might unlock miracles when I make a bow char, but all current chars went to unlock spells first. I need to beat it the second time around to get the rest of the spells and I need to beat the yellow ribbon crazy mage 1 more time. (Didn't opt for an insanity catalyst on melee char since it halves your MP and I only use magic on melee char for ward)

Yeah second chance is great i think the soul it uses(old heros) is only used for 2nd chance and the large sword of searching. It takes 2 miracle slots so you need 16 faith and it costs 100mp so you need 15 intelligence. But its so good i use it on every character and i do world 4-2 as soon as i can. A tip for doing it at a low level is to just run through it. i used to take 5 or 6 tries to do it on new characters that were around soul lvl 10 but i realized i could just run through the whole thing and get hit once or twice lol. The old hero is simple to beat to and it makes the rest of the game and pvp so much better with second chance.

Also try to specialize your characters so you can make use of the special upgrade paths. I would say dragon is the way to go if you don't it will make anything in NG simple. Also if your making a mage go for the crescent route for your weapons if you are going to get over 40 magic otherwise go moon. It works out that at 40 mage you get more attack power with crescent but before that you get more with moon.

Also i don't know how much pvp anyone does here but i am making a mage/melee build and i going to use a crescent uchi and a moon great sword and i was wondering if i should get 30 endurance instead of 40 since i will not be relying on my melee to deal all my damage
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Re: Demon's Souls -- ORDER IT NOW!
« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2010, 06:32:37 AM »
It's hard to say. With less endurance, you have less resistance. So you better have a nice health bar to cover that. Mages still get hurt by magic. :P

Some guy invaded my world so I decided to pretend I was weak (on my mage) and use firestorm on him. (You know, the weak fireball thing that's great to chip away at small weaker guys and uses far less MP). Finally lured him out, and killed him in 3 shots with soul arrow. So yeah... be wary that just because you're a mage, some guy's PvM build can still surprise you. But even with his magic, I rarely took a lot of damage I'd let him chip me down to 1/3 and run away and heal. But it'd take him like 5-6 hits to bring me down that far. His build was just flawed, he was using "claw" to try and fight. Short range, + homing, + ward + soul arrow I think. I could have beaten him with my uchigatana if I wanted too. That and he kept hiding on the other side of a wall and waiting for me to go back so he could "ambush me". Not the brightest player.

Moon isn't that good for pvp. It's quite a bit slower. I dodge in pvp, I don't really block. Except for certain spells. Dark metal shield is great vs spells.
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« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2010, 01:12:39 AM »
I am not worrying about the extra 10 resistance points more about the extra stamina.

The spell you were talking about is fire spray and it is good for harassing opponents into doing something stupid. I have that and soul ray equipped and i hit them with fire spray till they run in and then i hit them with a soul ray which does about 400 damage for me i am soul lvl 50.

the moon upgrade doesn't slow your weapon down any. But i don't know if the greatsword is the way to go because it is slow but i want something big to keep people at bay while i switch between spells and eat spices and grass. But i have never used a greatsword so i don't know how people respond to it in pvp.
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Re: Demon's Souls -- ORDER IT NOW!
« Reply #45 on: February 25, 2010, 03:18:16 AM »
If you want something long to keep people at bay and is fast, I recommend either penetrator, or the winged spear. Both are pretty decent 1 handed too and aren't bad choices to use two handed.

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« Reply #46 on: February 25, 2010, 07:57:14 AM »
people who know what there doing will dodge a greatswords running R1 attack (The best attack on a great sword) or wait for u to swing and get behind and backstab. Still a good weapon, but I'd always pair it with another weapon to make up for it's weakness's.

if your a mage char my personal weapon picks would be......Moon mirdan hammer with it's hard to dodge swings and increadbly cheap R1 spam. Or a Crescent flamberge which has nice large radius swings. Lastly a Uchigatana (Either moon or Crescent).

Sorry but the Penetrating Sword is garbage. It requires colourless demons souls to upgrade, but it's attack of 90 doesn't improve all the way up to +5. it's modifiers are an E in strength and an A in dex at +5 (not useless but only a dex build could make an use of it). And ofc it's only good attack is the R2 stab which would be pretty easy to dodge in pvp, not to mention the fact that everyone would know thats the only attack someone weilding one is going to use all the time.

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« Reply #47 on: February 25, 2010, 08:56:32 AM »
people who know what there doing will dodge a greatswords running R1 attack (The best attack on a great sword) or wait for u to swing and get behind and backstab. Still a good weapon, but I'd always pair it with another weapon to make up for it's weakness's.

if your a mage char my personal weapon picks would be......Moon mirdan hammer with it's hard to dodge swings and increadbly cheap R1 spam. Or a Crescent flamberge which has nice large radius swings. Lastly a Uchigatana (Either moon or Crescent).

Sorry but the Penetrating Sword is garbage. It requires colourless demons souls to upgrade, but it's attack of 90 doesn't improve all the way up to +5. it's modifiers are an E in strength and an A in dex at +5 (not useless but only a dex build could make an use of it). And ofc it's only good attack is the R2 stab which would be pretty easy to dodge in pvp, not to mention the fact that everyone would know thats the only attack someone weilding one is going to use all the time.

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But i don't know if the greatsword is the way to go because it is slow but i want something big to keep people at bay while i switch between spells and eat spices and grass. But i have never used a greatsword so i don't know how people respond to it in pvp.


Have you actually used the penetrator? You don't have to upgrade it, just use it stock. Unlike the super stupid swings of the penetrator boss, the swings while you use it are not as wide inaccurate. Not to mention, you can swing the sword a hell of a lot faster than what the boss actually does. R1 will make a low sweep which afaik, you can't roll forward to get to me the user. Tapping multiple R1s quickly while using it, your char will make 1 sweep then do a quick slice that goes from the feet to the chest (which reminds me of the katana to a certain extent) but it knocks the person back.

I will agree that this sword is not very useful for killing people. But the way that the mechanics work, it's a good sword with long range and fast speed that's useful in holding people back while you pop a quick spice or grass.

I considered that point as well. My mage uses both uchigatana and penetrator (main reason for penetrator is for the increased points which allow me not to require fixing my weapon frequently like the uchigatana) for PVM. But I have used it for PVP before. Not much damage, but it does hold most non-melee chars back. Mainly, those who don't want to get hit by any weapon of sorts. You're not going to kill really anyone with the penetrator, but it is decent deterrent.

I recommend the spear for approximately the same reason. But I will have to disagree on the halberd. When held 1 handed, it's somewhat slow and clumsy. Not to mention you get "stunned" longer if you smack a wall with that thing. Halberd is amazing 2 handed, but when used 1 handed, it does have some flaws that can be your downfall. (Not to mention I feel it's not fast enough even with superior sweep). It's about balance. If I wanted speed and distance, I could always say Epee. Speed? The daggers are fast and you can roll and attack with no delay. Wide sweep? There's a lot, many are slow, not many are fast. etc.

People are always going to dodge. Whether it's dodging backwards to stay away from sweeps, to rolling around in circles for whatever reason. But the point of having a weapon like this (based on what AoG was asking) is mainly to keep the enemy at bay. You shouldn't really be slapping R1 continually to kill them. R1 once and roll away if they try to roll AT you. Otherwise, just quickly attack and get away.
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