Author Topic: Bad Seed (Read 4593 times)

ombada69 · « **on:** March 08, 2009, 11:33:22 AM »

Hey guys, im new... like fresh meat new...

Anyway, i have been seeding two torrents for a day and a half, and have only uploaded 38 mb's. One of the torrents is School Rumble which has had a couple leechers at the same time, the other is FLCL manga. My tracker shows im uploading at around 20-30 kb/s, but im only getting around 1.5 kb's to seed every now and again, then it drops back down to 0. I tried seeding to a torrent from a different site, with good results... so does anyone know what the problem is?

If i could just get a few kb's/s, even that pultry 1.5, to run p/s then i would be fine... but it drops down to 0 very frequently.

Also just some extra info:

-DSL modem (They cant connect cable modem where i live)
-I have uploading set at unlimited
-I am using Azureus Vuze

Any help would be very appreciated. my ratio makes me sad :'(

Chiyachan · « **Reply #1 on:** March 08, 2009, 11:38:36 AM »

ombada69 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 08, 2009, 11:45:51 AM »

Quote from: Chiyachan on March 08, 2009, 11:38:36 AM

DHT?

OK i saw that you posted this on another thread

http://forums.boxtorrents.com/index.php?topic=41.0

But in terms of the DHT i didnt really see what i was supposed to do, or how to access it.

I made sure that this was OK:

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1) In Options -> Plugins -> Distributed tracker check "Only track normal torrents when their tracker is unavailable". In this way, even if distributed tracking is enabled azureus uses the "centralized" tracker (if it's alive).
2) You can selectively disable DT: right click on the torrent, then go to Advanced -> Peer Sources and uncheck everything but "from a tracker".

I've been running with azureus + DT with configuration (1) and I never had any problem..

But i didnt really understand the DHT part.

Lupin · « **Reply #3 on:** March 08, 2009, 11:57:55 AM »

the torrents your trying to seed both have a single leecher.

my suggestion is that you just continue to seed it. you'll eventually seed both torrents back to 1:1

i also suggest that you try seeding torrents with more leechers.

ombada69 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 08, 2009, 12:05:03 PM »

Quote from: Lupin on March 08, 2009, 11:57:55 AM

the torrents your trying to seed both have a single leecher.

my suggestion is that you just continue to seed it. you'll eventually seed both torrents back to 1:1

i also suggest that you try seeding torrents with more leechers.

I see what your saying, but theres still concern from my end... I have had it up for almost two days now minus maybe 6 hours, the problem is that i cant do much on any of my computers connected to this connection when using Vuze, so i cant afford to have it on for 6 days straight trying to get to 1:1.

Also that doesnt explain why im seeding so low. not to mention if i download something new, and the problem isnt fixed, my ratio might be really hard to recover from as ive already DL'd close to 800 mb, and seeded only 40.

EDIT: I forgot to add that i am strongly considering entering Bxtidol just to get my ratio up

(i know you all want to hear my fantastik voice

but please help me anyway)

Duki3003 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 08, 2009, 04:13:27 PM »

There is always donation.....
That aside not much we can do to help you - seed a torrent with more leechers like Lupin said.

In my case it sometimes helps to stop the torrent then force start it when there are only a few leechers - that way you stop and initiate the connection and it will be connected to peers for a while (wont help it a lot but it can be somewhat usefull - at least it seems that way to me) but the faster seeder will always win..... And there are a lot of faster seeders.....

Or 3. option simply take the Box Idol title and get some bonus points.....

Lupin · « **Reply #6 on:** March 08, 2009, 04:23:25 PM »

Quote from: ombada69 on March 08, 2009, 12:05:03 PM

Also that doesnt explain why im seeding so low. not to mention if i download something new, and the problem isnt fixed, my ratio might be really hard to recover from as ive already DL'd close to 800 mb, and seeded only 40.

chances are you're getting snubbed by the lone leecher. there's nothing you can really do about it. getting snubbed is less of a problem if there are more leechers.

Duki3003 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 08, 2009, 04:32:21 PM »

There is also another option - download a series with a lot of leechers elsewhere and then help seed it here - That's how I upped some of my ratio.
That could be a series thats yet to be granted or some more popular ones.... (but be carefull not to get burned if it's rejected perhaps)

Only thing you have to worry about is to get the right files....

ombada69 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 08, 2009, 05:10:58 PM »

These are all good suggestions, i guess ill just have to wait a few days til my newness wares off and i can see torrents from the last six months... by then i hope i will be close to 1:1 so i can download something with a bunch of Leechers and try to get that ratio up...

It has been going up a little more now, because school rumble has 3 leechers now. Should i shut down the FLCL manga torrent and focus all my available seeding bandwith on School Rumble?

EDIT: Bxt idol... looking mighty fine right now

Another quick question seeding files from another site.... how would i go about doing that?

Duki3003 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 08, 2009, 08:02:22 PM »

Keep it on, I don't think it will matter, as for the other question - it's basicly when you download a series or episodes of a specific torrent that is already up on Box you can seed it like this

1. Put the files in a folder layout as it is on the Box
2. Keep the filenames the same as the group named them or rename them if they have been manually renamed to match the file names on Box
3. Download the torrent from Box and point to folder with your files (add stopped)
4. Force a re-check (if it's the same file it will show 100% or at least 99.9% for some)
5. Start seeding

Just be carefull to download the same group release and same version (v2 or v3) as it is on the Box - easiest way is to see this is by filename and size if they are the same - otherwise it will redownload it over your files

That way you will get an Inf. ratio on this file and don't have to worry over files that are almost impossible to seed.....

ombada69 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 08, 2009, 09:16:15 PM »

Quote from: duki3003 on March 08, 2009, 08:02:22 PM

Keep it on, I don't think it will matter, as for the other question - it's basicly when you download a series or episodes of a specific torrent that is already up on Box you can seed it like this

1. Put the files in a folder layout as it is on the Box
2. Keep the filenames the same as the group named them or rename them if they have been manually renamed to match the file names on Box
3. Download the torrent from Box and point to folder with your files (add stopped)
4. Force a re-check (if it's the same file it will show 100% or at least 99.9% for some)
5. Start seeding

Just be carefull to download the same group release and same version (v2 or v3) as it is on the Box - easiest way is to see this is by filename and size if they are the same - otherwise it will redownload it over your files

That way you will get an Inf. ratio on this file and don't have to worry over files that are almost impossible to seed.....

Ok for some reason im a bit confused by this... correct me step by step.

1. Put the files ive downloaded from another site in a folder that has the same format as one i would download from box.
2. Im a bit confused on this step, i am renaming the folder, but im dont know to what.
3. Again im confused... this is what you wrote

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Download the torrent from Box and point to folder with your files (add stopped)

Bolded is what i dont understand.
4. Force Re-check
5. Seed

could you give me an example by chance? Perhaps something a bit more visual. That would be a lot of help.

vuzedome · « **Reply #11 on:** March 08, 2009, 09:27:52 PM »

remember this. Seeding is a very slow process, so please be patient.

ombada69 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 08, 2009, 09:41:06 PM »

Quote from: vuzedome on March 08, 2009, 09:27:52 PM

remember this. Seeding is a very slow process, so please be patient.

I completely understand, but only being able to seed 150 megs in 2 days and 7 hours is painfully slow. :'( Not only that, but i want to seed to people, i want them to be able to get their files, especially since its stuff that is ombada approved

Lupin · « **Reply #13 on:** March 08, 2009, 11:25:09 PM »

just wondering, do also seed some other torrents? maybe those torrents get all the upload bandwidth you have.

vuzedome · « **Reply #14 on:** March 09, 2009, 06:30:10 AM »

try seeding torrents with a 5:1 or 4:1 seed ratio. You'll have to wait for a while but results are satisfactory.

ombada69 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 09, 2009, 12:23:21 PM »

Quote from: vuzedome on March 09, 2009, 06:30:10 AM

try seeding torrents with a 5:1 or 4:1 seed ratio. You'll have to wait for a while but results are satisfactory.

Yeah, thats the plan, i figure i should wait another 3 days because then i will be able to see torrents from the last 6 months, and maybe my ratio will get closer to one.

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just wondering, do also seed some other torrents? maybe those torrents get all the upload bandwidth you have.

not since i downloaded the two i got from here. i figured the same thing and shut all my other seeds down.

I really wish i could understand what duki wrote, cause every little bit helps right now. $:-\$

Blanchimont · « **Reply #16 on:** March 09, 2009, 03:39:01 PM »

Quote from: ombada69 on March 09, 2009, 12:23:21 PM

I really wish i could understand what duki wrote, cause every little bit helps right now. $:-\$

When you download a .torrent (metafile, from Box etc) and open it in your client directly (unless you save it somewhere first) it should give a prompt which shows all files included (at least if you have uTorrent/Vuze).
That prompt should have these two options at least;
1. A choice of deciding/navigating to the desired download location instead of the default folder.
Navigate here to the folder where you have the files in question
2. (in uTorrent at least) a checkbox somewhere which asks if you want to start/activate the torrent right away.
Uncheck that. If there's differences in filenames it will start downloading instead of picking up the existing files. Also, with some clients, there's a chance you'll end up destroying the files by means of overwriting when torrent is run and not checked for existing files properly first. Ie make sure the files are properly checked first (force recheck) BEFORE starting it...

ombada69 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 09, 2009, 04:07:52 PM »

Quote from: Blanchimont on March 09, 2009, 03:39:01 PM

Quote from: ombada69 on March 09, 2009, 12:23:21 PM
I really wish i could understand what duki wrote, cause every little bit helps right now. $:-\$
When you download a .torrent (metafile, from Box etc) and open it in your client directly (unless you save it somewhere first) it should give a prompt which shows all files included (at least if you have uTorrent/Vuze).
That prompt should have these two options at least;
1. A choice of deciding/navigating to the desired download location instead of the default folder.
Navigate here to the folder where you have the files in question
2. (in uTorrent at least) a checkbox somewhere which asks if you want to start/activate the torrent right away.
Uncheck that. If there's differences in filenames it will start downloading instead of picking up the existing files. Also, with some clients, there's a chance you'll end up destroying the files by means of overwriting when torrent is run and not checked for existing files properly first. Ie make sure the files are properly checked first (force recheck) BEFORE starting it...

OK i understand it now, but i still have a couple questions.

Question #1: So this means that i have to have the same files in the same format with the same names? and do they have to be the same size? IE: if have a movie in AVI, but the torrent from bxt is in .mkv my file size might be 700mb while the mkv might be over a 1gb.

Question #2: I used to have the old azureus forever ago, and it let me use that prompt... since the numerous updates and the "addition" of Vuze, i have not recieved that prompt, how would i go about activating that?

Question #3: If Question #1 is the case, where would i be able to find the files, i really only frequent piratebay.org and isohunt.com.

Thank you all for the help you have been giving me

. I was about to commit ratio suicide by downloading bleach (I figure there would never be a lack of leechers, even though its not really my thing) But i would like to try this out first and see how it goes.

Duki3003 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 09, 2009, 04:38:18 PM »

Sorry, I didn't go to much into the detail - I sort of explained it in shortest steps

1. Yes it has to be the exact same file (if the filename was only renamed it's not a problem 'couse the structure of the file is the unchanged - and by that I mean you have to have the same size file in order to seed it) and if it's an avi you just can't seed it if the bxt has a different type like a mkv or a different size avi

2.I'm not so sure 'couse I use uTorrent and I used to use Vuze so I don't know where it's been moved - in that case just stop the torrent immidietly after it starts - don't worry it won't do no harm

3. You can use Btjunkie.org too - use anidb to find out the sites of the groups that subbed the anime that is up on box - if you find it (if they have one that is) use their bt tracker to download the batch or 1 ep. at a time or if they don't have bt learn to use irc (can't help you there).
The filenames will be the same as they are on bxt....

EDIT: Sometimes use BxT only as a reference to see which is the best version available and try to find it somewhere else. Othertimes it's a great way to max out your download speed 'couse most of the torrents here are seeded with good seed:peer ratio. Don't sweat it if you leech a few torrents 'couse some are just impossible to seed - but keep all fast seedin' one to better your overal ratio - that's why I previously sudgested what I did

Blanchimont · « **Reply #19 on:** March 09, 2009, 04:39:50 PM »

1. Well, if you plan on using existing files to seed, of course they must be EXACTLY the same $:-\$ (size, name, format etc, but easiest to check crc first (google rapidcrc) and learn to search AniDB...
2. Don't know, using uTorrent... And why the heck would Vuze omit THAT? A bit too oversimplified... Perhaps someone familiar with Vuze/Azureus could help...
3. Well, I get rips mostly from irc as well as a lot of other stuff, but that's a completely different ordeal to learn. You could try scarywater, animesuki, tokyotosho, and make a note of the places the links/torrents in those places lead, that's a start...