Author Topic: Final Ep of Clannad After Story (Read 4928 times)

Nikran · « **on:** March 13, 2009, 11:38:53 AM »

Ok, someone with greater comprehension skills and mental power explain the ending to me.

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Southrop · « **Reply #1 on:** March 13, 2009, 01:04:02 PM »

First of all, it's Tomoya not Tomoyo.

Basically, this is what I understand it as. Do note that I haven't played the visual novel, so my understanding could be wrong.

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azn1189 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 13, 2009, 03:04:35 PM »

Well it could be that when Nagisa was giving birth to Ushio, Tomoya thought that Nagisa died, adn in doing so created a series of events that he thought might've happened without Nagisa in his life. It became a series of events that would lead to his life being a big tragedy. The trigger was probably when Nagisa passed out and Tomoya started doubting himself and wondering if it was better that he didn't meet Nagisa.

But right after that Tomoya recollected his thoughts, and came to the realization that he couldn't have not met Nagisa in his life, because she completed him as a person. When Tomoya realized that, he came back to the real world, where Nagisa wasn't really dead, and woke up when Tomoya called out to her. This is me trying to interpret it in a realistic point of view.

Then there's the miracle interpretation, where Tomoya in given another chance thanks to Ushio from the other world. I like how they gave the series a happy ending, and I'm completely satisfied with how they did it.

I hope this helped you in some way.

Nikran · « **Reply #3 on:** March 13, 2009, 03:19:09 PM »

The miracle one is what i'd put my money on. Theres enough supernatural stuff in clanned for it to be that one. The very idea that Tomoya (I got it right for once =P) actually imaged the whole thing is a bit sad (And makes me worry about him; we all heard of 'my life flashed before my eyes,' but he's gone and done a 'My future flashed before my eyes.' messed up stuff =P) and imo makes the events within it a bit meaningless. If u go by the miracle version, the events that occured helped bring about the miracle in the frist place and so nothing was without meaning or value.

Overall i couldn't be more pleased. I fully expected Ushio to be saved, but always assumed that resurrecting Nagisa would be more then we'd ever get. And yet now we have a whole new reality where she survived, Tomoya doesn't go through a fucked up 5 years afterward and Ushio never had to suffer not having her mum or living without her dad (For those 5 yrs).

azn1189 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 13, 2009, 03:22:37 PM »

Quote from: Nikran on March 13, 2009, 03:19:09 PM

The miracle one is what i'd put my money on. Theres enough supernatural stuff in clanned for it to be that one. The very idea that Tomoya (I got it right for once =P) actually imaged the whole thing is a bit sad (And makes me worry about him; we all heard of 'my life flashed before my eyes,' but he's gone and done a 'My future flashed before my eyes.' messed up stuff =P) and imo makes the events within it a bit meaningless. If u go by the miracle version, the events that occured helped bring about the miracle in the frist place and so nothing was without meaning or value.

Overall i couldn't be more pleased. I fully expected Ushio to be saved, but always assumed that resurrecting Nagisa would be more then we'd ever get. And yet now we have a whole new reality where she survived, Tomoya doesn't go through a fucked up 5 years afterward and Ushio never had to suffer not having her mum or living without her dad (For those 5 yrs).

Yupp yupp totally agree with you. I hope someone can follow up with such a great series.

Nikran · « **Reply #5 on:** March 13, 2009, 03:44:10 PM »

A thought occured to me -not that it's very revealing- but i thought i'd share it anyway. When the mysterious girl was on the verge of death (Not really death; since she was that world, but losing the physical body within it) she was at that point able to become aware of herself as Ushio through her dreams. She was able to experience being Ushio for the duration of the dream until the point where Ushio died and she regained conciousness in the world that had ended.

I still wonder why the moment Tomoya closed his conciouness off from the world that ended (More like got forcefully booted out of there by a nuke that went off in his face. I wouldn't call that doing it of his own free will.) decided that he actually WANTED to call out to Nagisa. Did he remember the conversation between him and the mysterious girl/Ushio or by leaving that world did it do something to Tomoya (He did looked kinda shocked after his robot self got booted out and color had returned to that sceane).

relic2279 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 13, 2009, 08:02:55 PM »

Dango, dango, dango, dango...

Best anime I've seen in years.

I did spot an error in the final ep. Wonder if anyone else noticed. After the middle when they were showing everyone going on with their daily lives, they showed Kotomi (who is supposed to be in America) driving. They showed her driving on the right side of the road to imply that, but put her driving on the wrong side of the car. Our steering wheels are on the left!

Gotta give it up to Clannad and Clannad ~after story~. It's one of the best shows I've ever seen.

Nikran · « **Reply #7 on:** March 13, 2009, 08:57:18 PM »

I wonder if she was in America, she was only going there to study afterall. There's no proof of her location in either case.

mmm, my fridays are going back to normal now that Clannad is at an end *Sigh* When will be the next time i have such a great anime to watch per week? $:-\$

relic2279 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 13, 2009, 10:22:07 PM »

Quote from: Nikran on March 13, 2009, 08:57:18 PM

I wonder if she was in America, she was only going there to study afterall. There's no proof of her location in either case.

But they showed the car on the right side of the road. No country that I'm aware of has right side of road + right steering as a norm.

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mmm, my fridays are going back to normal now that Clannad is at an end *Sigh* When will be the next time i have such a great anime to watch per week? $:-\$

When you find one, lemme know!

Wizzy123 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 13, 2009, 11:49:50 PM »

So..? There are only 22 episodes and the last 2 are specials?

Nikran · « **Reply #10 on:** March 14, 2009, 12:09:07 AM »

Correct. Anidb has them listed as being released next week and the following week. Im pretty sure that can't be right, they are supposed to only come on the dvds; thats the way it was last time. With that in mind it's gonna be a good while before we get our hands on the 2 specials. It's looking like the frist of the two specials is an alternate world one. Im hopeing the second special is gonna be in the present and focus on Nagisa, Tomoya and Ushio as a family.

vuzedome · « **Reply #11 on:** March 14, 2009, 02:42:01 AM »

So 22 is last? Oh great, what a bummer.

Talapus · « **Reply #12 on:** March 14, 2009, 03:34:38 PM »

I was expecting them to pull a deus ex machina, but I am still somewhat sad to see that they did so. Oh well, it was still an excellent series.

Quote from: relic2279 on March 13, 2009, 08:02:55 PM

They showed her driving on the right side of the road to imply that, but put her driving on the wrong side of the car. Our steering wheels are on the left!

Except our postal vans.
The car could be an import. Perhaps she brought her parent's old car over?

macros74 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 14, 2009, 03:57:02 PM »

Someone pointed me to this timeline guide for Clannad. Pretty interesting...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/infiltrator65a/inte%20buggat%20album/1236943573387.png

relic2279 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 14, 2009, 07:30:37 PM »

Quote from: Talapus on March 14, 2009, 03:34:38 PM

The car could be an import. Perhaps she brought her parent's old car over?

Unlikely since they've been dead and she was driving a VW bug

Dodgemydesu · « **Reply #15 on:** March 14, 2009, 07:45:10 PM »

Either way I couldn't be more happier, after all that depressing events.
Clannad & Clannad After Story is truly a must see.

Nikran · « **Reply #16 on:** March 14, 2009, 07:52:26 PM »

Quote from: macros74 on March 14, 2009, 03:57:02 PM

Someone pointed me to this timeline guide for Clannad. Pretty interesting...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/infiltrator65a/inte%20buggat%20album/1236943573387.png

This is very intresting. So in the VN Tomoya skipped helping anyone and married Nagisa who died the same way as in the anime. Then Ushio followed the same as the anime again. Afterward Tomoya dies from greif overload and is able to meet Ushio/Mysterious girl who sends him back to that moment where Nagisa and he met at the bottom of the hill. It's in this second cycle where he aids all the people in the anime and (Unknowingly?) gathers the light orbs which allow him at the end to alter fate and get the ending we saw in Clannad 22. I like the idea of how the VN plays out, which is actaully a full repeat of the past. We had to skip most of the past and just jump to the moment of tragady itself and avert it in the anime.

Arveene · « **Reply #17 on:** March 14, 2009, 08:13:28 PM »

Another thing to mention is iirc he is returned to the Illusionary World each bad end and is sent back. Also after each route you finish shows another light orb on the start screen.

Aneroph · « **Reply #18 on:** March 15, 2009, 11:27:52 AM »

Well I think I totally misunderstood the ending reading these posts

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Nikran · « **Reply #19 on:** March 15, 2009, 12:44:18 PM »

Quote from: anerph on March 15, 2009, 11:27:52 AM

Well I think I totally misunderstood the ending reading these posts

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Are you absolutely sure Nagisa wasn't the girl in the other world? I assumed she had all those dreams and things in the real world because she was really the girl in the other world. I also assumed that in the end she was the one who managed to save her daughter Ushino from dying. My thinking was that the life where Nagisa did not die after birth was more just a dream as in the end they showed Ushino the child and the girl from the other world both in the woods. I assumed somehow that this meant Nagisa had managed to save her daughter from the other world and now her spirit lives on with her daughter....Most likely I am just terribly confused. {/spoiler]

Amazing series anyways. Had me bawling from episode 16 all the way to the end. Especially when Tomoya started singing Dango Daikazoku to his daughter. It tore me up

I assumed that the reason why Nagisa has memories of that world is because she has some sort of connection/close ties to it. It makes sense since she was the one who could bring the mysterious girl into their world as Ushio. If this wasn't the case then Tomoya could have married anyone with the same result. But as far as i can tell it had to be Nagisa.

One thing that occured to me. There was no reason for Nagisa to have died in the anime; Tomoya had the orbs of light and could have saved her the frist time round.