Author Topic: Too Much Fanservice? (Read 15161 times)

dbml · « **Reply #40 on:** March 21, 2009, 02:30:50 AM »

Quote from: iindigo on March 21, 2009, 02:25:36 AM

Quote from: dbml on March 21, 2009, 02:06:17 AM
Quote from: Tatsujin on March 20, 2009, 10:30:44 PM
fanservice = the root of anime.

LIIIIIIEEEESSSSS!!!! Like, 90% of all the best anime I've watched are sorely lacking in the fanservice department. Drama + tears > the occasional boob shot + panty shot.

Which makes me wonder, is there such a thing as dramatic fanservice?

Hm. That's a very good question. I'd think not... but I guess that can be up to debate. Example, I believe that Kimi ga Nozomu Eien and Elfen Lied have practically no fanservice whatsoever, regardless of how much skin is shown in them. I don't believe the nudity in either of them is meant to turn you on, it's just part of the show. Whereas Mahoromatic is FULL of fanservice.

zherok · « **Reply #41 on:** March 21, 2009, 02:59:50 AM »

Quote from: dbml on March 21, 2009, 02:30:50 AM

Hm. That's a very good question. I'd think not... but I guess that can be up to debate. Example, I believe that Kimi ga Nozomu Eien and Elfen Lied have practically no fanservice whatsoever, regardless of how much skin is shown in them. I don't believe the nudity in either of them is meant to turn you on, it's just part of the show. Whereas Mahoromatic is FULL of fanservice.

I think inevitably fan service can be defined as "unnecessary" content, invariably for the purpose of pleasing fans. Nudity in and of itself is not fan service, but a beach or onsen scene in an anime that would otherwise have little or nothing to do with it would be, even if they involved no nudity.

As for dramatic fan service, I think the two would be mutually exclusive goals. I don't see how you would reasonably go about creating a "good" dramatic moment that is unnecessary for the plot, while also pleasing fans. It would be like creating filler content not because you overshot the manga, but to create a dramatic scene that had no relevance to anything else. It could probably be done but it would require an absurdest attitude to pull it off. Like dropping a short film into the middle of an anime that had nothing to do with the short film's subject.

quekmeister · « **Reply #42 on:** March 21, 2009, 03:01:12 AM »

Quote from: Tatsujin on March 20, 2009, 02:42:42 AM

Quote from: quekmeister on March 20, 2009, 01:50:44 AM
Quote from: Tatsujin on March 20, 2009, 01:23:07 AM
KAGAMI HIIRAGI! Fanservice in the avatar. Enjoy.
*drool* I don't know which pic of her I like more, your avvie or the bashful miko.
miko? who's that?

Miko... Shrine maiden. Kagami is one. Her miko outfit is moe.

iindigo · « **Reply #43 on:** March 21, 2009, 03:09:51 AM »

Quote from: zherok on March 21, 2009, 02:59:50 AM

As for dramatic fan service, I think the two would be mutually exclusive goals. I don't see how you would reasonably go about creating a "good" dramatic moment that is unnecessary for the plot, while also pleasing fans. It would be like creating filler content not because you overshot the manga, but to create a dramatic scene that had no relevance to anything else. It could probably be done but it would require an absurdest attitude to pull it off. Like dropping a short film into the middle of an anime that had nothing to do with the short film's subject.

It could work in an episodic anime, I think. I agree that it would difficult to pull off in an anime with a rolling storyline, though.

dbml · « **Reply #44 on:** March 21, 2009, 03:14:32 AM »

Quote from: zherok on March 21, 2009, 02:59:50 AM

Quote from: dbml on March 21, 2009, 02:30:50 AM
Hm. That's a very good question. I'd think not... but I guess that can be up to debate. Example, I believe that Kimi ga Nozomu Eien and Elfen Lied have practically no fanservice whatsoever, regardless of how much skin is shown in them. I don't believe the nudity in either of them is meant to turn you on, it's just part of the show. Whereas Mahoromatic is FULL of fanservice.
I think inevitably fan service can be defined as "unnecessary" content, invariably for the purpose of pleasing fans. Nudity in and of itself is not fan service, but a beach or onsen scene in an anime that would otherwise have little or nothing to do with it would be, even if they involved no nudity.

As for dramatic fan service, I think the two would be mutually exclusive goals. I don't see how you would reasonably go about creating a "good" dramatic moment that is unnecessary for the plot, while also pleasing fans. It would be like creating filler content not because you overshot the manga, but to create a dramatic scene that had no relevance to anything else. It could probably be done but it would require an absurdest attitude to pull it off. Like dropping a short film into the middle of an anime that had nothing to do with the short film's subject.

Yes, that does make sense. So in other words, dramatic fanservice is unlikely to ever exist without seeming completely out of place.

zherok · « **Reply #45 on:** March 21, 2009, 03:24:12 AM »

Quote from: iindigo on March 21, 2009, 03:09:51 AM

It could work in an episodic anime, I think. I agree that it would difficult to pull off in an anime with a rolling storyline, though.

I'm not sure it would help. If the "fan-service" episode was completely unrelated, it'd still be absurd. If it were related, then it would be difficult to point to it as unnecessary. Consider an anime like Master Keaton. Your understanding of the show as a whole doesn't rely on any particular situation, but seeing Keaton in action in any given episode is a microcosm of the entire show. They're only unnecessary in that any one episode isn't required to understand the show, but the format is relying on these encapsulated moments to present itself; every episode expands reveals a larger portion of the story.

Tatsujin · « **Reply #46 on:** March 21, 2009, 04:45:24 AM »

Quote from: quekmeister on March 21, 2009, 03:01:12 AM

Quote from: Tatsujin on March 20, 2009, 02:42:42 AM
Quote from: quekmeister on March 20, 2009, 01:50:44 AM
Quote from: Tatsujin on March 20, 2009, 01:23:07 AM
KAGAMI HIIRAGI! Fanservice in the avatar. Enjoy.
*drool* I don't know which pic of her I like more, your avvie or the bashful miko.
miko? who's that?
Miko... Shrine maiden. Kagami is one. Her miko outfit is moe.

ohhh shit, i feel like an idiot. and i'm a big fan of kannaduki no miko. bah ..

Nikkoru · « **Reply #47 on:** March 21, 2009, 09:41:02 AM »

I can get easily tired of erotic fan-service, but there are still other types of fan-service which I can enjoy - for instance during the later episodes of Clannad they had Fuuka show up out of no where, take some screen time, and disappear after bringing joy to the world. Or in Darker Than Black, after I kind of got tired of the tone of the series, they introduced the private eye and his adorable assistant for a few episode which brought some light and humour into the series.

Oh, and I love watching the omake at the end of some of my favourite anime, especially with Bleach during filler, it's sometime worth downloading just to watch the Shinigami Cup segment.
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link0007 · « **Reply #48 on:** March 21, 2009, 08:19:02 PM »

Quote from: Forte Grazia on March 20, 2009, 07:05:29 PM

I think the problem is that Americans are more used to Ecchi themed scenarios with the ever dominant multi-billion dollar global porn industry than the Japanese who are just getting their feet wet in the industry.

To date there have only been a handful of Japanese stars who have crossed over to mainstream American porn simply because of the fact that most American males do not find whining, crying and or baby-ish behavior to be arousing unless there is painful anal penetration involved.

It could also mean that the fan-service will be over-sexualized in some cases to compensate for the fact that either there is no fanservice in the edited for TV version, or that porn is really hard for children to get in Japan these days so it is fufilling a small purpose for the local audience.

If you notice the type of Ecchi present in the fanservice of mainstream Anime series are a bit more sensual, mature and less childish from a Western perspective than actual Japanese porn for some reason.

I suppose one reason it might seem so strange to westerners is that in western society what could be a parallel to fanservice in western mediums is very direct while most Japanese fanservice is very indirect. While many mature western movies have at least one sex scene which is actually quite graphic, most animes contain girls in skimpy outfits performing suggestive things while never actually doing anything.

HazukiChan · « **Reply #49 on:** March 22, 2009, 02:29:23 AM »

As a girl, at times I find it a little ridiculous, as in fighting scenes- most people don't wear micro short skirts, and down to there blouses to engage in battle (for one thing where does a girl keep her weapons?), like they did in Tenjou Tenge, Ikkitousen, but I can see how it is enjoyable.
But then why rip their clothes off to boot, they are already flashing you ^_^. The first season of Rosario + Vampire there was a lot of fanservice, but it didn't bother me it was funny, in the second however it just seemed contrived as if they were saying "ohh jiggly wiggly here, panty flash there, it has been a least 5 seconds with no skin showing".

GoGeTa006 · « **Reply #50 on:** March 22, 2009, 02:38:57 AM »

Quote from: Forte Grazia on March 20, 2009, 03:46:56 PM

You guys are over-exaggerating as if one day a Nickelodeon "Blue's Clues" epsidoe decided to talk about the joys and pleasures of giving your fellow toddler oral fellatio but to watch out for Herpes and always use a condom.

It was not that drastic of a divergence from the series LMAO.

dude id LMAO if i saw an episode with the blue's cllues

the guy like "ahh what would blue like to do with a leather whip, some handcuffs and some sexual toys. . ." mmm lets go to the thinking chair

nazleth · « **Reply #51 on:** March 22, 2009, 05:02:01 AM »

Too much fanservice? Yes, it can ruin an anime (Ikkitousen, Rosario) or just have a general lowering of quality effect. It doesn't necessarily have to have this effect though if done mildly and plausibly.

If someone wants fan service that badly, they can go watch a hentai. But as long enough people like it, it won't go away..

rwilco · « **Reply #52 on:** March 22, 2009, 06:08:46 AM »

Fan service is what keeps me from recommending some otherwise GREAT shows to........a LOT of people.

dankles · « **Reply #53 on:** March 22, 2009, 09:26:50 AM »

I love fanservice! Keep it coming! I don't care it they use fan service to substitute for a weak story sometimes. At least they found *something* to fill in the interest.

damosaxxx3 · « **Reply #54 on:** March 22, 2009, 05:07:19 PM »

No offense, but I'll say this as my opinion, no intention to offend others likes and dislikes, hope you can understand as much as I try to understand yours too... I believe, anime nowadays does give too much fanservice, especially in shoujo genre, who gives alot fanservice among men, whoever wants to watch animes when the girls wears less and almost nude or the breast are too... fft... BOINGY? (whatever you call it).. it's a disgrace.. in shoujo (reverse harem) I don't really like when 1 girl, just 1 girl...and all MEN fell in love with her, and if all men are too gorgeous, now that's ridiculous.. now that's too much right?

again, sorry if I did offend those who LOVE lots and lots of fanservice..

Decado1 · « **Reply #55 on:** March 22, 2009, 05:33:59 PM »

Personally, I think there are too many anime shows airing where the director/producers feel they *need* fan service in order to be "successful". I'd say this reflects the lack of quality shows over the last few years.

There are too many anime shows using school settings, featuring loser main characters, with young protagonists, where drama = melodrama + tween tears, and shows where the art style makes just about everyone look the same (including guys and girls). It's no wonder they need panty shots to get guys to watch.

HazukiChan · « **Reply #56 on:** March 22, 2009, 05:43:31 PM »

I think there are too many school days anime as well. I mean I hope there is far more to life than your high school years.
Alot of shows with fanservice are just funny and cute, as in DearS where he is trying to get clothes on her, and He Is My Master. I didn't find the fanservice in either of those show too much, as that is what the show is all about. The teacher in DearS ranks right up there with the biggest pervs in anime if you ask me. ^_^

damosaxxx3 · « **Reply #57 on:** March 22, 2009, 06:01:44 PM »

Quote from: Decado1 on March 22, 2009, 05:33:59 PM

Personally, I think there are too many anime shows airing where the director/producers feel they *need* fan service in order to be "successful". I'd say this reflects the lack of quality shows over the last few years.

There are too many anime shows using school settings, featuring loser main characters, with young protagonists, where drama = melodrama + tween tears, and shows where the art style makes just about everyone look the same (including guys and girls). It's no wonder they need panty shots to get guys to watch.

Yes, I agree with you. If rated by percentage, almost 90% of animes nowadays are schoolgirls, weakling schoolgirls, always do CUTIE CUTEY things (which I dislike, too naive..grr) and always DEPEND among men (now, I wish I could shout the hell of their faces to..."JUST DIE STUPID WOMEN!!!") and thus, being carried away... I've been searching for good animes which does not include too much of a fanservice (yea... fanservice among men and not for me (a girl) why would I like seeing breast boing? hearing moans and panties... I'm not a lesbian so why would i enjoy such fanservice then? T_T oh well...stupid animators fault, there are lots of good mangas out there waiting to be animated and here they are stupid shoujo ecchi being animated so easily... d*mn.. feel so...

again, sorry.

Tatsujin · « **Reply #58 on:** March 22, 2009, 06:06:32 PM »

fanservice = brings out the true colors of characters. who wouldn't want to see panties of your favorite characters anyways? i like fanservice and slice of life anime.

kureshii · « **Reply #59 on:** March 22, 2009, 06:20:10 PM »

I see lots of directors and animators being unjustifiably blamed... remember that broadcasters pander to the wishes of their fans, and pass those demands down to the studios, producers, directors and animators. Guess who's at fault then.