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Clannad [Series]
Tatsujin:
--- Quote from: Gangster301 on July 11, 2011, 03:53:37 PM ---Wow, the full limited edition blu-ray Clannad box sets costs almost 1500$...
Clannad
Clannad: After Story
Are there people who actually pay this much?! :-\
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Wouldn't pay a single dime for that shit.
tomoya-kun:
--- Quote from: Tatsujin on July 11, 2011, 03:57:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: Gangster301 on July 11, 2011, 03:53:37 PM ---Wow, the full limited edition blu-ray Clannad box sets costs almost 1500$...
Clannad
Clannad: After Story
Are there people who actually pay this much?! :-\
--- End quote ---
Wouldn't pay a single dime for that shit.
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I'm going to get that in march when I visit. Hopefully lower price?
Gangster301:
--- Quote from: tomoya-kun on July 12, 2011, 10:21:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tatsujin on July 11, 2011, 03:57:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: Gangster301 on July 11, 2011, 03:53:37 PM ---Wow, the full limited edition blu-ray Clannad box sets costs almost 1500$...
Clannad
Clannad: After Story
Are there people who actually pay this much?! :-\
--- End quote ---
Wouldn't pay a single dime for that shit.
--- End quote ---
I'm going to get that in march when I visit. Hopefully lower price?
--- End quote ---
Wouldn't expect it. The reason they're that expensive is because they're japanese prices. You'll have to go to some small shop to look for cheap anime, and I doubt you'll find Clannad in the bargain bin.
Tatsujin:
Clannad ~AfterStory~ was re-released by Coalgirls. Their reasoning for the release "Made some v2′s of problematic episodes." I've already downloaded it and going to replace it with my older AfterStory files.
dubyaninja:
I just finished watching the series, except for the two extra episodes of After Story. I went in without any spoilers or knowledge of the VN.
(click to show/hide)The first series is pretty good, and After Story is really amazing... until the fucking ending. Putting aside the fact that it's needlessly complicated and inadequately foreshadowed, it just makes no thematic sense to me. Was there some moral lesson Tomoya needed to learn by experiencing Ushio's death? No, there wasn't. He had already completed his arc by that point. He had reconnected with Ushio, reconciled with his father and accepted Nagisa's death. He didn't have to atone for or learn anything. Did Ushio's death and Tomoya's subsequent trip to the past further the story's themes in some way? No, not that I can see.
The story's theme is family. As we see so many times throughout the series, family is a source of support and strength, and as long as you have your family you can get through painful things. Tomoya is devastated by Nagisa's death, but he still has his daughter and Nagisa's parents... his family. He is able to move on and become happy with Ushio. He even expands his family by meeting his grandmother and reconciling with his father. Not the best possible ending, but still uplifting and hopeful, consistent with the story's theme and relevant to real life.
If only it had stopped there. The ultimate moral of the story ends up being that if you accumulate enough good karma you can magically timewarp to an alternate reality where the bad things in your past didn't happen. Durr? Of course it would have been too sad if Ushio had died as well, and wouldn't have supported the story's theme or fit its tone, but... why kill her to begin with? Don't even make her sick. The deus ex machina solves a problem that didn't need to be introduced in the first place. And in doing so it fucks everything up. Another way of resolving the situation would have been to mirror the way Nagisa recovered after her father prayed for her. In fact, I thought that's exactly what was going to happen since the scene was almost identical... but no, instead we get time travel, alternate realities and a total disregard for everything that happened in the story previously. Christ.
Change is another theme of the story. Life changes, the city changes, people change. For better or worse. Good thing we can just travel back in time to undo all those changes, right? Herp derp.
Atrociously bad ending aside, what I really like about After Story is that it doesn't stick to a formula. The characters don't stay in high school forever, they actually graduate, get jobs and start families. They grow up and change. And even then things don't go the way you might expect them to. It was entirely predictable that Nagisa would have a difficult childbirth, but I didn't expect her to die. On the other hand, the story is also predictable in the right ways. When you see the state Tomoya is in after Nagisa's death, you know he's repeating what his father went through, and you know he'll eventually realize it and reconcile with him. Right until the moment Ushio dies -- or perhaps the moment when she's revealed to have the same mystery disease as her mother -- the story is absolutely superb. And then it's not.
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