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Re: any cool black or foreign people in anime?
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2009, 10:47:04 PM »
Actually when I reread the topic title, wouldn't japanese be foreign for most of us? So that pretty much = most anime!

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Re: any cool black or foreign people in anime?
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2009, 10:59:16 PM »
There are plenty of Black people in Anime and Manga.

You just haven't watched/read enough to come across them as of yet.

I've been viewing Japanese animation Media since 1995 officially and have seen tons.

They may be token amounts .... but that should be considered nothing short of amazing considering the amount of Black people (mostly Africans) in Japan barely number in the thousands.

The same goes for German and Scandinavian media. There are almost a negligible amount of Blacks (again mostly Africans) in these countries yet tokens always appear as newscasters and in TV shows.

Throughout my chronology of media I have actually seen a more disproportionate lack of representation of HISPANICS in Japanese media, considering that Peruvians/Brazilians make up a large foreign population numbering somewhere in the TENS OF THOUSANDS in Japan. Some of these persons hold bona fide permanent residency yet they never receive as much as a "shout-out" in the Japanese media compared to Blacks (mostly Jamaicans, other Carribean Blacks, Ghanaians and a very
very small amount of Afro-Americans)

The Michiko to Hatchin example is AN EXTREMELY RARE example that is directly due to the fact that this is the year 2009 already and the Japanese are realizing they need to expand their horizons (as if they didn't already know that since Commodre Perry came to Japan).

Brazil will be a key country in times to come and the immigration from Brazil will only increase, and many of these Brazilians have very ambiguous racial identities. I think it's represented well in Michiko to Hatchin as they show both light and dark-skinned people. Japan's artists have ALWAYS been diverse and open-minded as it's what earns them the most money internationally when their production is exported, but the domestic crowd's taste will always be prioritized.

At this rate I am starting to feel that the Japanese are having more passion regarding the rights and enfranchisement of the African-American community than America itself! Something is wrong here!!! LMAO

Regardless of what may be considered stereotypical depictions (such as that of Mr. Popo in DBZ) I think that given the appearance of the rest of the cast (Piccolo, Frieza, Buu and other species in the series) Mr. Popo really isn't the main oddity attraction. Some people see Mr. Popo as being an icon with racist connotations, while the same could be said about Goku's Super Saiyan transformation. Some have even asserted that Majin Buu is supposed to be Chinese, another bullshit theory (absurd right?). People will take anything out of context and warp it to their own weird imaginations.

Japan is not racist, it's merely xenophobic. It may have degrees of discrimination but the majority of stereotypes perpetuated in the society are solely for defensive purposes. There was only two administrations in Japanese history that were publicly accepted and who operated on notions of racial superiority. Compare that to several Russian Tsars, almost the entire history of the Prussian empire and South Asian kingdoms as well.

Anyways somewhat off tangent but overall....I think the Japanese have come a long way and are accepting their fate of becoming a "genuinely" multi-cultural society, and that cultural mixing can be a good, enriching thing.
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Re: any cool black or foreign people in anime?
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2009, 11:02:52 PM »
I was actually thinking about this recently because of Miyuki from Basquash!


The only other black characters from anime I could recall were some of the musicians and gangsters (for lack of a better word) in Beck and of course Dutch from Black Lagoon.

edit: Oh yes, and Maria in Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei.  One of the funniest characters in it IMO.
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Re: any cool black or foreign people in anime?
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2009, 12:23:53 AM »
okay there is some. i wasn't doubting that but like i said there isnt many. i understand the token amounts since japan definitely isn't known for its black people. but i did hear recently that there was lots of Nigerians in Tokyo selling things from stalls.
there is hope in the changing world today. especially since there is plenty of countries all over the world tat are begging to integrate on much higher scales. America has set out a good example! I also heard there was a small pop. of Brazilians in Tokyo as well.
Hmm maybe anime artists and directors haven't met to many ethnic people in there life.

and what show is that with that guy Dutch? never seen it before?

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Re: any cool black or foreign people in anime?
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2009, 12:36:05 AM »
and what show is that with that guy Dutch? never seen it before?

Black Lagoon

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Re: any cool black or foreign people in anime?
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2009, 12:38:28 AM »
and what show is that with that guy Dutch? never seen it before?

Black Lagoon

I just realized something. In the same anime genre, there's also Bear Walken from Gun Grave. Now he's not really a main char per se, but he's still pretty damn cool. :)

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Re: any cool black or foreign people in anime?
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2009, 08:27:11 AM »

The same goes for German and Scandinavian media. There are almost a negligible amount of Blacks (again mostly Africans) in these countries yet tokens always appear as newscasters and in TV shows.
This might be true for Germany but definitively not for Sweden.
For many years it was common to adopt foreign children, many of who where black and in later years we have accepted huge amounts of refugees from many middle eastern and African countries. You might have heard of the story of a single small city in Sweden accepting more Iraqi refugees than the US total. I see lots black people every day.
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Re: any cool black or foreign people in anime?
« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2009, 12:29:04 AM »
Yeah and another more logical reason (and less on part of charitable intentions) for importing blacks is to lower the skin cancer rate as well as make these groups more tan and "healthy" looking (like Mediterraneans). You will notice among Italians and Greeks who are fairly tan that there is no sense of "wonder" when they socialize with Africans. (This partly being because the Mediterraneans get their skin tone FROM North African Blacks, Berbers and Arabs.)

There is something to be said for the fair-skin beauty, but the majority of women become to hate this same fair skin as they age. You notice that Black and Indian women age far better than those of European ancestry and this probably has something to do with melanin.

I think this can also be seen in the Dutch and German desire to colonize the Carribean and parts of Africa because they wanted a more moderate skin tone that is neither too light nor too dark. The Japanese also have somewhat of an obsession for dark skinned women as many prostitutes in major cities are from the Philippines or Indo-china. So the presence of black people in the media may be fulfilling more of an aesthetic pleasure than anything else for these populations.

What is odd is that the Japanese reject dark-skinned Okinawans and deny them proper representation in politics and media while they drool over being able to have Black basketball players and actors as guest hosts on these same shows in the entertainment industry. I guess just how they have "Black-on-Black" crime they also have discrimination within the Nihonjin race itself. For being so culturally unified on the surface there are several problems inside of the group on a deeper level spanning back to the Feudal Era.
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Re: any cool black or foreign people in anime?
« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2009, 12:48:57 AM »
It's meant to appeal to Japanese viewers mainly, how many black japanese people do you think there are?

2. ;D

But seriously this is just like the whole Resident Evil 5 racism thing. It might be racist from an American or western standpoint but from a Japanese point of view its not really racist since there are so few Japanese people that have had contact with someone of African descent. Although it is up for debate as to whether that excuses it but oh well. But considering Japan's homogeneity it doesn't surprise me that they don't depict many African people in anime and when they do it is considered "racist". Well what do you expect when I would bet that many of the directors and creators only have american movies and such to go off of (and I base this on absolutely nothing so it is pure speculation so don't take my word for it) which is of course pretty stereotypical with its depiction of races too. 

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Re: any cool black or foreign people in anime?
« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2009, 01:28:02 AM »
Jet Black from Cowboy Bebop is, well... black.

HA HA HA!! well i guess he is pretty black huh?

I agree. Jet Black is a white guy.
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Re: any cool black or foreign people in anime?
« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2009, 01:11:39 PM »
I think Jet Black was named Jet Black for a reason....

Because his name is Jet...and he is Black. (light-skinned, but Black)

Didn't Samuel L. Jackson voice him in the English version? :)
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Re: any cool black or foreign people in anime?
« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2009, 01:24:01 PM »
I think Jet Black was named Jet Black for a reason....

Because his name is Jet...and he is Black. (light-skinned, but Black)

Didn't Samuel L. Jackson voice him in the English version? :)

Wiki Jet Black

lol Samuel L Jackson, you serious :/ Samuel is very distinctive with his attitude and his voice and sounds nothing like the voice actor for Jet Black. Maybe your thinking of Afro Samurai or The Boondocks, the only animes he has ever dubbed.

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Re: any cool black or foreign people in anime?
« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2009, 01:31:50 PM »
Because his name is Jet...and he is Black. (light-skinned, but Black)

Didn't Samuel L. Jackson voice him in the English version? :)
if it was samuel jackson the show would have been funnier!
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Re: any cool black or foreign people in anime?
« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2009, 01:56:16 PM »
Bear Walken from Gungrave



Tsume from Wolf's rain. Dark skinned in human form, dark grey in wolf form.... also the coolest of the wolves in the series.



A-uo from Kiddy grade



Just to mention some few....
For one thing, Tiff is not on any level what I would call a typical American.  She's not what I would consider a typical person.  I don't know any other genius geneticist anime-fan martial artist marksman model-level beauties, do you?

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Re: any cool black or foreign people in anime?
« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2009, 04:23:06 PM »
Those last two guys are possibly Indian!!!!
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Re: any cool black or foreign people in anime?
« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2009, 07:04:05 PM »
Those last two guys are possibly Indian!!!!

Interesting point. The thing is in the world of anime it is hard or sometimes impossible to recognize racial features. I mean most japanese there have the biggest eyes ever. Some anime shows some hints of race like for example Samurai Shamploo does with their caricature animation style. Add the fact that hair colour ranges from the whole visible spectre of colours and we have a hell trying to figure out what race a person is.

Talking about Indians....
For one thing, Tiff is not on any level what I would call a typical American.  She's not what I would consider a typical person.  I don't know any other genius geneticist anime-fan martial artist marksman model-level beauties, do you?

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Re: any cool black or foreign people in anime?
« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2009, 09:00:22 PM »
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Re: any cool black or foreign people in anime?
« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2009, 04:41:18 PM »
Well her name was Rakshata, right? Then she's definitely supposed to be Indian.

Plus I think Code Geass was pretty upfront with indicating races. But I think most Indians in Anime have either blond or white hair to somehow differentiate them from blacks.

And Hispanics are always given some curly afro or wavy hair texture that is either brown or black.

These are of course horrible indicators that have no logic or rationale behind them...but this is Anime we are talking about so....
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Re: any cool black or foreign people in anime?
« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2009, 10:18:59 PM »
And all really black guys are muscular. Because it is a stereotype view, when viewed in non offensive context it is actually amusing. (But then again in anime an american is usually either dumb or stupid  ;D)
For one thing, Tiff is not on any level what I would call a typical American.  She's not what I would consider a typical person.  I don't know any other genius geneticist anime-fan martial artist marksman model-level beauties, do you?

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Re: any cool black or foreign people in anime?
« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2009, 12:56:35 AM »
I think, technically speaking, there aren't a ton of white/caucasian people in anime either (granted there are far more than black people); they're almost all supposed to be actual Japanese people.
I think it is just natural for anime (and manga/books/movies/tvshows/music) to be focused on what they are used to seeing in Japan.  I wonder how many black people there are in Japan (outside U.S. military bases)... the number's got to be quite small.

What I wonder about is how anime characters almost always look white/caucasian to me, but do they look asian to Japanese people?

I'm not saying it is the same situation in Japan, but this reminded me of a documentary I saw in which a black woman was sharing her account of what happened when she visited a remote town somewhere in southeast Asia.  Apparently, the people she met had never even seen a black person before.  Everyone was just drawn to her and kept touching and ogling her in complete wonder and amazement.  The way she described it, she was overtaken with a feeling of being special... there was no sense of negativity or racism.