Author Topic: Death Note (Read 11226 times)

zherok · « **Reply #40 on:** June 08, 2009, 09:55:44 AM »

Quote from: LiquidZero on June 04, 2009, 08:34:53 PM

i agree death note is top 3 selected but i like the ending....
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light was kinda cool in the beginning but as time went by he treated his women poorly. thats the only real reason i dislike him, he deserved to fail at the end for his sloppiness. he relied to much on other people and recruits. he could have found a way not to rely on people. that was his downfall. not to mention his plan at the end was bad, he woulda won had he thought "he probably expects that mizuki (w/e his name was) would have had a fake note book

I don't think it was a development over time, Light acts pretty consistent throughout the series regarding women. Almost all his motives involving romantic interests were because they'd result in furthering his plans elsewhere.

As for the ending...

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LiquidZero · « **Reply #41 on:** June 08, 2009, 12:58:00 PM »

Quote from: zherok on June 08, 2009, 09:55:44 AM

I don't think it was a development over time, Light acts pretty consistent throughout the series regarding women. Almost all his motives involving romantic interests were because they'd result in furthering his plans elsewhere.

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He does get sloppy, but he arguably relies on things he has no control over most of the series. And assuming Near knew starts getting into a "I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew" situation. It'd be a bit silly. I'd argue his fatal flaw wasn't relying on another Kira, but getting so arrogant and cocky as to allow a final showdown. He failed because he never allowed the possibility that he could fail. That's why it's so funny to see him get owned throughout the series. He never sees it coming.

ha ha! Light thinks "there is no FAIL! i know, what he knows that i know,what he knows!!" "MWHAHAHAHAH, I AM GOD! BECAUSE I CAN KILL HOW EVER WHEN EVER!"

SeventyX7 · « **Reply #42 on:** June 08, 2009, 09:27:50 PM »

Well to be fair to Light, the idea that someone like L could exist, and that he could magically pull out of his hat that, "Oh, I'm sure the reason all these people all over the world are dying is because of one man with a magical power in Japan" was pretty bs.

How could Light compete against people like that?

LiquidZero · « **Reply #43 on:** June 09, 2009, 05:26:00 AM »

in the show L explains how he thinks killer is in that area because thats where the first heart attacks started to happen....any dumb ass could figure that out...
Was L really japanese? or did he just look like it? Was near also japanese? i know mellow couldn't have been.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #44 on:** June 09, 2009, 06:23:24 AM »

Quote from: LiquidZero on June 09, 2009, 05:26:00 AM

in the show L explains how he thinks killer is in that area because thats where the first heart attacks started to happen....any dumb ass could figure that out...
Was L really japanese? or did he just look like it? Was near also japanese? i know mellow couldn't have been.

L came from china, he has a tatto on his ass "MADE IN CHINA"
but seriously, he looks more chinese than japanese, and yes he explained everything, l think it made me mad at this anime because he explained every fuckin thing he did a few moments later, and why l stopped watching after ep 10 and went straight to last ep, cuz to me it was all pretty much easy to forsee the next scene n all that.

joeystrummer · « **Reply #45 on:** June 23, 2009, 02:47:21 AM »

I can agree with the opinion that the second half of the show isn't as suspenseful or intriguing as the first half, after Near enters the picture. But the last five or so episodes kept me absolutely enthralled because I didn't quite believe that

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Light would actually fail, I thought it was within the bounds of the show to actually give us an ending where he succeeded in defeating Near.[spoiler/] Maybe that makes me more gullible than some of you, or less perceptive, but I have a tendency to let a story unfold for me at its own pace instead of looking ahead to where it will conclude; it drives my girlfriend crazy, because I'll comment on how something was really cool, and she'll make a snide remark about already figuring that out thirty minutes ago.

Anyway, I thought that the ending was one of the best parts of the show. It was exactly what I wanted.

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Despite all that, I am still digesting the series; I want to put it on my all-time favorite list, but I am waiting until I've answered more questions for myself. The rivalry between Light and L, however, is one of my very favorite character dynamics, and it was a blast watching it. One more note: for those of you who watched the new Battlestar Galactica (and I do not feel like getting into a discussion of that show's greatness or lack thereof) Alessandro Juliani, who played Felix Gaeta, does the English voice-acting for L.

EDIT: My browser is not showing spoiler tags, just the code for inserting them along with the material inside of them. I've tried to insert them myself, but I can't actually see if they work. Sorry if they don't.

zherok · « **Reply #46 on:** June 23, 2009, 03:01:18 AM »

Spoiler tags broke with the change over to baka. None of them work. Color tagging things white might help a bit.

I don't think it's a gradual thing that Light comes to depend on others. He has a mystical death causing book fall in his lap. But he can't evade L with just that alone, he has to have a SECOND book fall into the picture to manage it. And he only trumps L because of a complicated relationship between Misa and that other Shinigami that he only has an indirect and accidental role in linking back to himself. I think Light was the weaker of the two, since he requires so many things to go his way to do as well as he did.

Nikkoru · « **Reply #47 on:** June 23, 2009, 04:01:17 AM »

Quote from: Havoc10K on June 09, 2009, 06:23:24 AM

Quote from: LiquidZero on June 09, 2009, 05:26:00 AM
in the show L explains how he thinks killer is in that area because thats where the first heart attacks started to happen....any dumb ass could figure that out...
Was L really japanese? or did he just look like it? Was near also japanese? i know mellow couldn't have been.

L came from china, he has a tatto on his ass "MADE IN CHINA"
but seriously, he looks more chinese than japanese, and yes he explained everything, l think it made me mad at this anime because he explained every fuckin thing he did a few moments later, and why l stopped watching after ep 10 and went straight to last ep, cuz to me it was all pretty much easy to forsee the next scene n all that.

L was British, at least according to the author's readers guide in the manga.

Quote from: zherok on June 23, 2009, 03:01:18 AM

Spoiler tags broke with the change over to baka. None of them work. Color tagging things white might help a bit.

I don't think it's a gradual thing that Light comes to depend on others. He has a mystical death causing book fall in his lap. But he can't evade L with just that alone, he has to have a SECOND book fall into the picture to manage it. And he only trumps L because of a complicated relationship between Misa and that other Shinigami that he only has an indirect and accidental role in linking back to himself. I think Light was the weaker of the two, since he requires so many things to go his way to do as well as he did.

Light made his life seriously difficult for no reason other than to satisfy his ego, starting with the assasination of L. Lind Taylor at the beginning and his constant efforts to thwart his pursuers became less about his own safety and goals and more about proving his superiority. L was consistantly flawless, but the circumstances were too tilted against him.

joeystrummer · « **Reply #48 on:** June 23, 2009, 04:18:16 AM »

Light typically had more information than L did; its a testament to L's insight and deductive reasoning that he is able to uncover what he does. But its hard to win with less information.

Nikkoru · « **Reply #49 on:** June 23, 2009, 04:33:24 AM »

L still came close to winning, in spite of everything - Light had a massive advantage of both anonymity and an impossible killing method and he still only escaped with the skin of his teeth.

I think L's only flaw, at least in terms of his detective skills, may have been his desire for a clean and absolute victory - another person may have just detained indefinitely or executed Light and Misa based on the evidence and intuition - but he wanted to win and uncover the method of the killing at the same time.

SeventyX7 · « **Reply #50 on:** June 23, 2009, 06:18:15 AM »

To be fair, with the knowledge that L had for most the series, merely "dealing" with Light and Misa would have no guarantee of correcting the situation permanently. He needed to figure out how Light was doing what he was doing, or for all he knew someone else would obtain that power.

Havoc10K · « **Reply #51 on:** June 23, 2009, 07:04:40 AM »

Light had to fail, l mean that shimigami that was with him was eyeing his life points all the time, "the one that takes someones life with that notebook gains whats left from the victims life days" or something like that, so after he "did" him in he recived all those life points, and now he can be all lazy fucker :]

SeventyX7 · « **Reply #52 on:** June 23, 2009, 03:14:34 PM »

I was always kind of hoping Light would cross some "evil threshold" and become a Shimigami himself. That would have rocked.

Scudworth · « **Reply #53 on:** June 23, 2009, 03:25:33 PM »

I kind of hoped that as well, but then there would have been no stopping him.
which would have also rocked.

SeventyX7 · « **Reply #54 on:** June 23, 2009, 06:53:54 PM »

Until L went SSJ lvl 7 and destroyed Light, of course.

LiquidZero · « **Reply #55 on:** June 25, 2009, 02:20:39 AM »

Quote from: SeventyX7 on June 23, 2009, 06:53:54 PM

Until L went SSJ lvl 7 and destroyed Light, of course.

Light would have went super shinigami and then gave his powers to misa, then threw her at him!

SeventyX7 · « **Reply #56 on:** June 25, 2009, 03:53:03 AM »

Here's a question, though: what do you suppose happened to Misa after the whole Death Note story? Did they just let her go? Not much closure there.

Nikkoru · « **Reply #57 on:** June 25, 2009, 04:21:25 AM »

Quote from: SeventyX7 on June 25, 2009, 03:53:03 AM

Here's a question, though: what do you suppose happened to Misa after the whole Death Note story? Did they just let her go? Not much closure there.

I thought they implied she killed herself, or was otherwise a vacant shell of a human.

zherok · « **Reply #58 on:** June 25, 2009, 07:06:09 AM »

The anime insinuates suicide, but the manga doesn't ever go back to her. There's a woman in the final scene that looks a lot like her (appearing to still worship Light) but word of God says that's not her. So she has no official ending note.

Scudworth · « **Reply #59 on:** June 25, 2009, 02:43:28 PM »

if I recall correctly you last see her crying as she approaches the ledge of a very tall building. I haven't read the manga but from the anime it's pretty clear what happens.