Author Topic: RNA spontaneously forms in laboratory experiment.  (Read 6473 times)

Offline Pigeon

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Re: RNA spontaneously forms in laboratory experiment.
« Reply #60 on: May 23, 2009, 04:59:59 AM »
No, at it's core it's a belief that something does not exist. It's very much a position, whereas a lack of belief would be equivalent to not thinking about it. There are weaker forms of atheism and agnosticism that describe those things.
Religion: "God exists!" (organized Religion and beliefs)
Atheism: "There is no god!" (conviction and belief)
Agnosticism: Meh... fuck it, I am going home"  ;D (lack of belief, "not thinking about it")
Wrong - both of you.

Agnosticism is the belief the the existence or non-existence of God cannot be proven and therefore the question is scientifically irrelevant. There is a huge difference between atheism and agnosticism - if you can't identify the distinction, you're an idiot, kindly step the fuck out.

And, for what it's worth, the 'feats' of the scientists mentioned are hardly noteworthy. Basically what they did is create RNA in a test tube. They created RNA the same way pharmaceutical companies create drugs - they created a process in which they could reliably create the chemical they intended to create in a repeatable fashion. What we atheists are looking for is to have a fish tank filled with simple chemicals, shine a bright UV light on it, zap it with some electricity, (aka lightening bolts) and end up with RNA at the end of the experiment. We've yet to accomplish that. This experiement does not prove shit.

Offline zherok

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Re: RNA spontaneously forms in laboratory experiment.
« Reply #61 on: May 23, 2009, 02:25:05 PM »
Wrong - both of you.

Agnosticism is the belief the the existence or non-existence of God cannot be proven and therefore the question is scientifically irrelevant. There is a huge difference between atheism and agnosticism - if you can't identify the distinction, you're an idiot, kindly step the fuck out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_agnosticism

You're talking about strong agnosticism.

You'll note I said, "There are weaker forms of atheism and agnosticism that describe those things." And there are! They're even called Weak Agnosticism and Weak Atheism.

Offline fohfoh

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Re: RNA spontaneously forms in laboratory experiment.
« Reply #62 on: May 23, 2009, 03:03:15 PM »
So... something like....


|Theism                         | Deism|        Weak Agnosticsm                  |  Strong Agnosticsm           | Atheism             |


?
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Offline SeventyX7

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Re: RNA spontaneously forms in laboratory experiment.
« Reply #63 on: May 23, 2009, 07:51:19 PM »
Personally, I'm a strong Atheist, slightly rare and not burnt, with a side of omelet.

Offline zherok

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Re: RNA spontaneously forms in laboratory experiment.
« Reply #64 on: May 23, 2009, 10:03:17 PM »
So... something like....
Agnosticism, as pigon not so politely implied, is really it's own axis. Many variations of agnosticism are reconcilable with different forms of theism and atheism. Weak agnosticism might be considered somewhat in between theism and atheism, but even then it may favor one or the other depending on the individual, it simply posits that we don't currently know.

Offline quekmeister

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Re: RNA spontaneously forms in laboratory experiment.
« Reply #65 on: May 23, 2009, 10:22:45 PM »
I'm a radical atheist. I picketed a church once. ::) :P
Personally, I don't give a damn. So long as people don't judge me, I don't judge them, all's peachy.

Offline SeventyX7

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Re: RNA spontaneously forms in laboratory experiment.
« Reply #66 on: May 24, 2009, 03:40:42 AM »
I'm a radical atheist. I picketed a church once. ::) :P

Picture, please!!!   ;D

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Re: RNA spontaneously forms in laboratory experiment.
« Reply #67 on: May 24, 2009, 02:18:00 PM »
I'm a radical atheist. I picketed a church once. ::) :P
Personally, I don't give a damn. So long as people don't judge me, I don't judge them, all's peachy.

Let the finger pointing begin!
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Offline quekmeister

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Re: RNA spontaneously forms in laboratory experiment.
« Reply #68 on: May 24, 2009, 04:06:16 PM »
I'm a radical atheist. I picketed a church once. ::) :P

Picture, please!!!   ;D

I was inside one of the meatballs. The picture is a composite image to protect my identity and the identities of the others involved.

Offline SeventyX7

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Re: RNA spontaneously forms in laboratory experiment.
« Reply #69 on: May 24, 2009, 07:57:31 PM »
/save picture

 ;)

Offline quekmeister

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Re: RNA spontaneously forms in laboratory experiment.
« Reply #70 on: May 25, 2009, 02:58:15 AM »